Merlin
Years ago

Team thrashings

Alot of talk on this forum and off it about Pro/Rel and who should be a member club and who shouldnt.

Some people think that clubs like Centrals and Eastern should not be given a guaranteed div 1 spot but those same people don't think pro/rel should be implemented. They want an 8 team comp because that will "strenghten" the competition. IDIOTS!!! *in ren and stimpy voice*

Fast forward to the future. We only have an 8 team comp in Div 1. Does this solve the constant thrashings some clubs get week in week out?

Have a look at results in U16 Div 1 girls. No Centrals, No Eastern but still the thrashings. Same results, girls dont develop and quit to play Netball. Maybe a 6 team comp then OR maybe a 4???IDIOTS!!! *in ren and stimpy voice*


http://www.sportingpulse.com/comp_info.cgi?c=1-3-0-51850-0&a=ROUND

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So Merlin,

Other than Pro/rel, what is the answer to thrashings?

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Merlin  
Years ago

Remove sturt from the competition.

Only joking, my magic is not that strong.

What about a mix of the following:

- Pro/Rel
- Zoning - for outer lying clubs for 3 yr period.
- Regional comps for all up until U14s and for U14 teams lower than div 3.

Yes that will work. I will weave my magic and ........ not make it happen.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Merlin,

Very good idea. But really you have pretty much just endorsed Pro/rel.

Except por/rel would have regonal comps for all teams below the top 16 or 24.

The only difference is the zoning. And not sure it will actually help either the clubs, the competition nor the sport.

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booga  
Years ago

go to ARE THERE TO MANY DISTRICT TEAMS and check out my post #122048 and see what u think or would change about it.

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victorian  
Years ago

Ah the old topic of how do we stop the thrashings rises its ugly head again.

The only way we stopped them over here was to change the way we thought and put club interest to the side.

You need to have grading seasons in summer and then the best 10 to 12 teams play the winter regardless - if that means a club has 2 or even 3 teams in a championship grade then so be it. At least then you have the best playing the best and the elite kids will be challenged most weeks.

Ah..... I can hear the do gooders of the south moaning as I write ............

30 years later .........

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Call it  
Years ago

Give the 3 top teams at seasons end the chance to put 2 Div 1 teams into the comp. 2 teams each of the top sides would increase the amount of quality teams in the comp, it wont stop the thrashings; however it will give more quality teams more quality games. This will also give more kids the opportunity of having a chance to play div 2, thus keeping their interest for longer. Playing div 2 you would think you are more of a chance to crack div 1, than playing div 3, wouldnt you agree?

Look at the U16 div 1 girls at the moment and tell me this would not work. 1st year & 2nd year kids would be kept happy as they would not be all fighting for a very limited number of spots in Div one. It would be a great way to develop a group of 1st year players by keeping an U14 div 1 side together as they go up into U16's. There is also the case of the big 3 clubs in U16 girls having very strong div 2 sides, and then the thrashings start all over again.

Something has to be doen about the current situation. I really dont think girls are leaving the comp because they are not getting enough quality games; however I do feel that some girls are dropping out as they do not feel that they can have a fair enough chance at a Div 1 spot. This is a big issue at 1 club that is seen as being centraly located (not centrals).

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Does that club have a country coach?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Of course Victorian,(#122703)you wise men of the east do everthing better than your poor southern cousins, dont you?

Your ALF teams are really strong at the moment (havnt won a GF for how long?) and your F1 fiasco is going from strenght to strenght seeing as how the V8's have now abandoned your pathetic attempt at a motor sport event. Sheez even Indy is bigger than your F1 is now.

Yeah, you do a couple of things really good, you do a few things ok, but hell, you do a lot of things shockingly poor.

Take your Vic torian attitude out of here and dont let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

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Call it  
Years ago

(#122706)Ill leave that up to your judgement.

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Isaac  
Years ago

122708, don't be a troll. Keep this on topic.

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Tears of ISIS  
Years ago

Don't know what F1 and ALF the alien tv show has anything to do with the state of basketball in SA vs state of basketball in victoria.

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merlin  
Years ago

122585, alas my fair weathered f(r)iend. The pro/rel miracle does seem to be the concoction needed. However in my magic pot some other features are needed.

The pro/rel concoction with a little bit of zoning magic (that may fade after some time), smattered with some regional comps for all divs in U10/U12s will enable the competition to grow and succeed.

Pro/Rel without these things will mean kids dissapear from our game in a puff of smoke. Some may reappear in inner city clubs but many will dissapear to the evilness of football and soccer where regional comps are common practice.

ALL Clubs will be rewarded for their hardwork and my magic will work. My magic cannot work in the current world we live in.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

#122703 I agree with what you have said about giving the Div 2 more of a chance of playing in Div 1 by having 2 sides in Div 1 however, with certain clubs ( and I do name Sturt as one of these) all it does is give the junior U12 Div 1's that have come up am overriding chance of going straight into the div 1 comp instead of working their up like the second year Div 2's have to. I guarantee you that if you let Div 1 have 2 teams then the "older" Div 2's would miss out and the junior Div 1's would automatically be put in that comp. I really don't know what the answer is apart from appeal to the clubs (and that it is apparent that they do not consider second year Div 2 players worth considering in Div 1) that they change their views on this and put more faith in those players. I think they would be surprised as the results they would get!

Some of these girls are leaving as they believe that they are being overlooked and not being given the chance that they deserve.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

anonomous,

Maybe some clubs put the long term development of their club first, rather than just who is better this week.

If at the begining of each season each club only put the best players in Div 1 and Div 2, and these were all top age players, then the following season would see a much worse result. Often bottom age players take more time to get up to the speed of the game. (especially moving from U10 to U12 with a different ring height) Often by the begining of winter season these players hay caught up and sometimes past the bottom age players.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Call it.

Increasing the number of teams into Div 1 to 12 will only increase the number of thrashings. It will also mean that the top teams play each other less often.

By decreasing the number of teams to 8. WIll mean that the best players play each other more often. Also, those teams who are getting thrashed in div 1 will have more close games in div 2. And those teams in div 2 getting thrashed will have closer games in div 3.

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Daddyo  
Years ago

I'm a bit puzzled by this thread.

The U16G1 is probably an argument against Pro/Rel because the four teams that played the finals in Div 2 would be less competitive against the top Div 1 teams than the teams currently playing in the bottom half of Div 1.

Sturt beat Norwood 2s by 4pts in the semi - are they really going to be competitive with Norwood, South & Woodville in the 16G1? I doubt it.

A game between the Bearcats div 1 side and any of the top four div 2 teams would be interesting - but the Bearcats may even win out.

At the moment there is a gap between the top four teams and the rest in Div 1, but it doesn't necessarily follow that the Div 2 teams would do any better.

If you want to push Pro/Rel, pick a better example.

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Speigletent  
Years ago

I think the argument is more directed towards those that beleive there should be just 8 member clubs. With 8 team div 1 comps with each of the 8 member clubs guaranteed a div 1 spot. We would be back to where we started - IE thrashings loosing players but with less representation and access across the metro area. Pro/Rel is better than that situation.

"At the moment there is a gap between the top four teams and the rest in Div 1, but it doesn't necessarily follow that the Div 2 teams would do any better." - I think the belief is that they would be better.

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Victorian  
Years ago

#122708

It is that attitude which typifies your small minded attitude. You are obviously not associated with a top club as top clubs would encourage the "best" teams approach.

Granted the AFL has not had a vic club win the flag for 10 years but by gee it was the corner stone of making the AFL what it is. We may not win it for another 10 either but hopefully you watch and enjoy the game each week.

The Tigers are doing well in the NBL, The Victory won the A-League, We have the Melbourne Cup, The bike and formula 1 Grand prix.

We also enjoy life and are a positive state, hopefully you can get the chip off your shoulder and get on with life.

More importantly until you can acknowledge that only by the best playing the best will ALL clubs kids and clubs develop.

We all wish you had the sturt program in place as we enjoy playing strong SA clubs.

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Wayne Beaumont  
Years ago

Daddyo - we would be happy to play them anytime.

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bagwan  
Years ago

Norwood carnival is the time to settle the issue - put your div 2s in teh championship grade and play div 1 teams and see how it adds up

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Actually Bagwan, it's been done before and it doesn't always work that way. Usually the div 1 teams in Easter carnival are Norwood, Sturt, West (boys) and maybe Forestville. These are usually stronger teams. The teams the div 2s should be playing (the lower tier teams) don't usually play Easter.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

(#122800)Ooookay....

You have the Melbourne Cup? well that could hardly be run in Townsville could it? They could hardly hold the Balaklava Cup Parramatta could they?

You have the bikes..... ho hum, well done; nice way to fall asleep in front of the telly.

You have the F1..... not for long, you might want to brush up on your F1 news. The rest of the Asia Pasific region is out bidding you on that one; I guess you will be looking for a V8 street race soon.

Point taken with the soccer & NBL.

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Dandyman  
Years ago

#123035

The only thing we don't have is YOU.

Nice chip on the shoulder - how tall are you 5'2"

Isn't the person that runs bball over there that tall.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Dandy I don't know why you are talking yourself up, your results lately have been pretty average.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Dandyman: #123035; cant see that post on here? What are you on about?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Dandyman. I agree with you, Victoria is a great state, great Casino, good sporting events and facilities closer to the great city Sydney. There are only two things wrong with it:

- Screwed up, dirty culture.
- The people there, get rid of the people and it would be a pretty good place.

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The me Gen.  
Years ago

Victoria, great place to visit; wouldnt want to live there!

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Dr Bullshit  
Years ago

Agreed! So much to do and see and all the sports just makes me tingle. But no way would i wanna live there.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Daddyoh,

I think you would find that if Sturt and Forestville were able to put 2 div 1 teams in they would have quite resonable second sides.

They would probably be better than West and South and would give Norwood a reasonable game. Plus they would be more competitive than some teams against the top 4.

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