Hangin Round
Years ago

Have State Teams been finalised yet?

I may have missed it, but have U16 & U18 State teams been finalised yet? I cannot find a list anywhere. If not finalised yet, when are players advised?

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WOW  
Years ago

I believe the U16 were being named this weekend!!!

Final decisions were yesterday with the kids being told over the next day or so.

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measles  
Years ago

16 girls this weekend, 18 girls another squad cut this weekend only.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Surely someone has heard something by now? Who was picked?

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tt  
Years ago

16 boys had phone calls last night

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So does anyone know who actually made the team? Being a strong age group for us, should the group picked be a strong chance to win it all?

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tt  
Years ago

the kids who got the call know

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Estelle Costanza  
Years ago

Here is the team:

Daniel Carlin (Centrals)
Caelum Cousins (Norwood)
Alex Delina (Norwood)
Nathan Kareta (Sturt)
John Marriot (Sturt)
Josh Owen-Thomas (Sturt)
Jake Sadauskas (Norwood)
Nathan Spehr (West)
Chris Steele (West)
Blake Sutherland (Sturt)

Before the verbal "grenades" commence, remember these kids are under the age of 18 so they can not be "dissected" on this forum.

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tt  
Years ago

well done to all the boys now go kick ass

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George Constanza  
Years ago

Any idea on who the reserves are?

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anon  
Years ago

A couple of obvious ommissions but good luck to all who made the team and may they compete to the best of their ability.

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J. Petermen  
Years ago

Anon #133265,

"A couple of obvious ommissions"?? Could you be more specific without mentioning names (as the kids are under age) - maybe position and club of the players you think should have been there.

In what areas is the team seem to be lacking in your opinion?

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interesting  
Years ago

Good luck to the team. They have an awesome experience ahead. Value it and make the most of it.

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Jerry Seinfeld  
Years ago

I'm not the anon above, but I think the team picked looks well balanced & seems to have been selected on merit (just an observation from very afar).

Good to see the young Centrals lad make it, he's come a long way in a short time - a credit to himself as well as his club & state coaches.

Good luck to all involved. Let's hope for an injury free 2 months leading in to nationals so everyone will be able to perform at their peak.

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Kramer  
Years ago

Wouldn't it be sensible and fair to name all the state teams at the same time rather than prolong it in some cases for another couple of weeks.

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Hangin Round  
Years ago

Kramer, your suggestion would be too logical, so cannot be implemented

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torn acl  
Years ago

is the centrals lad their 5 player ?

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Hoop Addict  
Years ago

Yes, the bottom age big kid.

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torn acl  
Years ago

he was very impressive - good defence straight up / elevation clean as well - blocks a lot and clean boards - bottom age as well - sounds good for the future.

no a lot of points in offence yet - but like his game.

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anon  
Years ago

Hey peterman

I'm not the anon you refer to above but you have to agree that you don't have to be einstein to see there are certain kids that should be in that aren't and vice versa. We are obviously watching different games or not turning up to all of the important ones - There is no need to name names as we cannot and should not. Just wish the group well and hope that the selections are correct cause everything else is hypothetical. The end position I feel unfortunately will show that they got it wrong big time.

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Kramer  
Years ago

I'd like to see some consistency next year thru all the age groups, with not only the times for trials on the initial State trials poster but selection dates for teams to be named on it and then have the respective coaches meet those deadlines. Also the cutting is like a dog's breakfast at the moment and a central directive should be in place where the kids are uniformly cut by letter or phone and not made to take the walk of shame across the SASI court.
It would be better for all concerned if there was a public timetable and this was adhered to as some selections are longer than 'Blue Hills'.

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anon  
Years ago

Kramer agree with you 100%.

Believe the current system is a reflection of the people running the game in this state and they have done so for many years.

I can hear them all starting to scream now ..............

To be honest they are just a boys club who could not achieve themselves as individual players.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

SAC inform the kids they cut by letter and i have heard parents and players say they would rather be told there and then, so i guess your not going to ever be able to please everyone.

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Basket 19  
Years ago

Every age group is different. There is no use pigeon holing cuts and selections as there are so many variables that need to be considered. An example of this is the Under 18 girls more injuries than normal this year. There is some merit to selections being done and players notified at the same time in the week after State Championships, but again there are some events which may need to delay this. One size does not fit all for State teams.

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J. Petermen  
Years ago

Kramer,

I think its easy to say comments like "don't have to be einstein to see there are certain kids that should be in that aren't and vice versa" & "A couple of obvious ommissions" - and then not back it up with any basis for your arguments.

How about a hint as to some specifics that you see lacking in the team selected e.g. - "too top heavy", "not enough organisers", "lack specific players that provide a skill at a higher level that others selected cant". If your going to throw a statement out there than at least try and narrow your argument to something tangible. In this way we can might actually have something to discuss.

Also, your comment - "We are obviously watching different games or not turning up to all of the important ones" - Unless you have gone out EVERY Friday night to watch ALL of the players perform, as well as seen every player develop, respond and perform at trainings, I highly doubt this comment is correct. Unless of course you are the coach, which means you are bagging your own selections!?

Is there a specific example that you can sight that any of the selected players havent performed at a higher level in one of those "important" games AND that the players you believe should take their place have?

Its fine to argue a position for or against selection, but how about putting some "specifics" to it.

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Wayville 43  
Years ago

Just think, unless I am not mistaken, we have 7 more State teams about to be announced. Do you think each one will be dissected like this one is about to be? It will probably turn into a flame-fest that will last for days. Why don't we announce a team every 3 or 4 days so we can have one long bitch until Nationals. Then as soon as teams lose start again and bash the crap out of them for a month after the championships. If we really put our mind to it we can whinge, moan and complain about State teams for a good 3 months solid.

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Newman  
Years ago

Krammer old buddy old pal.

What team do you coach? When did you last put your rep on the line?

Why don't you enlighten us with what sort of program you might run and include training times, number of sessions, philoshophy of offence and defence as well as synopsis of strengths and weaknesses in the age group.

Then using your knowledge explain how multiple sessions might inpact the development and therefore the selection of those players in the age group.

Finally, could you include a little piece on what are the overall trands in Australian basketball and how you could influence the players in the age group towards further opportunities at Australian camps, AIS scholarships and towards professional opportunities.

Otherwise your just some ignorant parent who can't understand that their kid just wasn't good enough to make it.

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anon  
Years ago

Luv ya style newman

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KrMER  
Years ago


HELLO NEWMAN! kramer isn't married so if you'd watched more episodes you'd have left out the end bit. Criticising an overlong selection process and differing cutting styles doesn't have much to do with what your on about.
Wrong guy Peterman , it was George.

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mmmm  
Years ago

krmer, is there a book on 'cutting styles' as you put it? Is there a perfect way to do it? If there is I am sure there would be a uniform method. Until then, what would you suggest happens when you are cutting kids? Would it be the same at the start of the trials as at the end?

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anon  
Years ago

U/18 girls many injuries, Players wid scolarships always picked & certain princesses from certain clubs picked, I believe no kid should have to do the walk of shame, why not a phone call or a letter, Its time S A S I had a fresh install of new management & new coaches that dont coach in the grades that they are selecting for State... Many been involved since Noah was around!!!!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Everyone can bitch and whinge about coaches and selections and no matter who was doing it nothing would change. The thing im intersted in how should players be told their dream of playing state is over. How is a good way to crush someones dream. If you do it by letter its impersonal, if a phone call you may have kids you cant contact who will hear about it another way first, if you tell them at the training they have to be around peers and parents. How is it done to lessen the hurt the poor kids must be feeling because im sure if anyone had a miracle way they would do it as i can guess none of these coaches look forward to this aspect and if you say they do then youd be a bloody idiot. So intead of bagging the crap out of an already tough aspect of coaching and we have all had to do it at some stage if in fact you are a coach of any division. Then give opinions on how it needs to be done because i hate to be cruel but everyone involved in state goes in knowing there is a chance they may not make it. Either that or sit and keep doing what you find easiest and bag the crap out of people who have to make the tough decisions.

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Magic Man  
Years ago

Wall of text Anon.

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Kramer  
Years ago

There is no perfect way but there is a civilised and responsible way.
There is a world of difference between initial large cuts and squad to team cuts which most would appreciate.
Players who have trained with and against each other for 8 or so weeks probably have earned the right to hear privately why they have not made the team and not have to immediately face their team mates and parents assembled.
Telephone is a personal and professional way of allowing a cut player dignity to receive the news and react privately. I think it's ridiculous to suggest players might not be there if a time was set down to receive the news.
Yes anon, Coaching is a hard job but clear, consistent across groups and gender guidelines on when teams were to be named and how the cuts were to be made would simplify their job enormously.

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Junior  
Years ago

Kramer,

Phone is impersonal and you are unable to see an body language response. It is the least a coach can do to talk face to face when the player has given so much time and effort in trainings.

When you have 15 players to talk too with 5 - 10 minutes feedback for each you would be spending about 1-1.5 hours on the phone.

Between the forst and the lasy person MSN, text and calls woul be running wild. Players would hear from their peers rather than the coach who is in the team.

Country do it by letter and this year one player heard from other players in the team that she had been cut before getting the letter. Same can happen with a phone call.

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thesoupnazi  
Years ago

Politics picks state teams so political correctness should deliver uniform methods of cutting which would mean that at least one component of the process was kosher.

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Crusty Cream  
Years ago

thesoupnazi,

If picking the kids who give the team the best chance to win is poilitics then we totally agree.

So what exactly is the best method where players don't get hurt?

And if different coaches use different methods, surely this means that they are just different people dealing with different situations?

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thesoupnazi  
Years ago

Yes crusty it does mean that their using different methods and no I don't think it does anything other than add to the conspiracy theories doing the rounds that they can't name teams on a set date, cut uniformly and appear to be more organised.
One team isn't being named until tomorrow and others were known a couple of weeks ago. The U20 teams are done in a few weeks so why the delays?
State teams need to have an air of stability and reliability and clearly defined guidelines should be widely known and adhered to.
The best method you asked for: Clear timelines.
Cutting process profiled and the times and dates set.
Criteria for selection verbal and written adhered to.
Shorter trials longer team trainings.
Written feedback to all participants.
An appeals process.
A clear and precise statement on who selects the team.
State coaches appointed on a roster system or from the top four coaches on the summer ladder by a panel of district coaches .
State coach must coach the age level at district that he or she wants to coach at state.
There are more but you get the picture and you may be able to come up with much better ones.

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