College Scout
Years ago

SHC - Champions for 2007

I went along to watch the open school knockout finals yesterday.

As a neutral observer i'd have to say the best team on the day were SHC - by a fair margin!

They were never really under pressure all day, with their captain playing great ball and IMHO an MVP performance.

The good and the bad... Great competitive basketball all day (sorry I didn't watch the female games maybe some one else can give us a report) played in good spirit with alot of good sportsmanship displayed at all levels. The reff's were a wee bit inconsistant for my liking, as most were kids or past their prime...

Congratulations again to SHC and everyone involved.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

**Posted this in another thread but im sure more people will see it here**

FINAL STANDINGS POOL A

Men
1. Sacred Heart
2. Cabra
3. Trinity
4. Pedare
5. Brighton
6. Aberfoyle Park

Women
1. St. Aluysious (spelling?)
2. Loreto
3. Unley
4. Golden Grove
5,6. Cabra / Mt. Gambier (didnt see the game)

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Pity the real finals took place in the pool games, namely vs Unley and vs Mercedes ... big changes are needed

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Anonymous  
Years ago

get over it the draw was how it was and finals hav happened who cares now back up all ya talk next year cause u cldnt this year

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Anonymous  
Years ago

yes well done sacred heart im just hopin that yesterdays result will shut those little babies that r constantly whinging bout not makin finals. even if u did make it pretty sure u wouldnt't have beaten sacred heart. well done lads.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Anyone know if either of the winners (Sacred Heart and St Aloysius) are planning on competing in the national championships in Geelong? Could these teams be successful over there?

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nutter  
Years ago

personally I don't think SHC have the depth or height to do well over there. Pedare's team last year were much stringer IMO and still got smashed over there!

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nutter  
Years ago

stronger** even LOL

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the trinity college team that won state two years ago, with players such as
chris clausen
rob cameron
brett collins
jacob templeton


they made championship division and still got thumped over at nationals.

has a south australia team ever done well over in the championship division?

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oracle  
Years ago

not won champ div - but we have been mid range

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?  
Years ago

I think the day really shows that more care and thought needs to be put into making the draws and finals format. I don't mean to take anything away from Sacred Heart, who on the day were clearly the best team. But when you look at their competition you do wonder...they were not challenged at all during the day. Cabra came close, close being 20 points.
Based on Wednesday's results, Trinity are the third best team in the state, Pedare 4th, Brighton 5th and Aberfoyle Park 6th - that is where it gets ridiculous. None of those teams should have been at the finals day. SHC and Cabra beat them easily, with perhaps the exception of the Cabra-Trinity match. Aberfoyle Park were there because they beat Pasadena...that's it...close to every school in the Saturday morning competition would also beat Pasadena, and Ab Park for that matter.
Schools like Unley, Mercedes, Westminster - they should have been there. These three teams would have wiped the floor with our 3rd-6th ranked teams, with ease.
Yes, the draw is what it is. But it needs to be changed - don't forget the winner of this is the team to represent the State at nationals in the highest division. Did wednesday's comp really determine that? The above schools should have been there with SHC and Cabra, which would have been a cracking day of games, and would have produced the team in the best position to play in the championship division. Thoughts? and think about it objectively - not just another load of crap like - 'get over it you didn't make it' - when the reward is as big as it is (representing SA at nationals) - there has to be a better way of determining the finals teams. A ladder of the Saturday morning comp, with the top four going through, or if schools were to send in a team list when they nominate, and have someone who knows basketball look at teams, work out how good they are by div 1 representation, and then do a seeding format.
There has to be a better way of doing it, the competition feels cheapened by the careless way in which it is programmed.

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nutter  
Years ago

trinity were a one man team. but were still good and pedare who yes probably shouldn't have been there were with in 4 points of SHC with two minutes to go and when a certain SHC point gaurd was stripped and somehow a foul was found. He then went on to hit a 3 to make it a 7 point game. Pedare really weren't that far off beating SHC so to completely talk down teams that have earned there spot is a bit unfair. And in the end you have to beat the best to be the best so wether you were there or not theoreticly SHC would still have won.

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Gareth Keenan  
Years ago

Sacred Heart fell asleep in the 2nd half of the Pedare game... but the game was never really in doubt. They were cruising.

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bbalman33  
Years ago

Hey guys arnt you forgetting that Averfoyle Park nearlly won Knockout lasy yr they finished 2nd by like 3 points, so thats why they got easy draw to beat pasadean( who are a specialist basketball school)
and thumped them 79 to 40 the game was infact pasadenas way leading by 7 at the first brake but not before Hubs star player hit 5 3's to seel the match and some lovely work by the yr 10s who also playe dint eh team

But guys theres no douby SHC is the bst good game guys

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?  
Years ago

yeah, last year..not this year? aberfoyle park were rubbish on wednesday. and they got an easy draw because they entered in 'pool a' but dont play through ISSA on the saturday morning so only had to play one game...thats why they drew pasadena. they may be a bball school, but they are still very average.
not talking down teams, just calling it as it should be, shc cruised all day against far weaker opposition

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Anonymous  
Years ago

i still dont uderstand how u guys can constantly complain bout the draw, saying that mercedes, unley westminster should have been there is rubbish, they didnt deserve 2 b there cos they didnt win in they're pool rounds, shc beat all 3 of em 2 advance.

brighton got an easier draw cos they're a public scool n sabsa wnt atleast 2 public scools in they're, same as the hub.

n i reckon if unley or mercedes had gone thru that thy're wouldnt have been anytalk bout how shc should b in finals. anyways yeh shc r headin 2 nationals n yeh they'll struggle but they'll giv it a crack after all they are the worthy team of bein over there come december.

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Astor33  
Years ago

ummm

i think the draws are pretty ridiculous, it doesnt matter who sacret heart have to beat. we are talking about the inconsistancy of the draws...teams having to win ONE game against a shitty school whereas a top team like unley have to go through by knocking off mercedes and sacred heart,both away, and both quality opponents.

This here proves it - on saturday morning, unley smashed the 'third best' school in the state trinity by 20-odd, without 3 KEY players...thats a pretty big 'upset' for a team ranked 10th...???...???

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!  
Years ago

bahahahaha unley ranked 10th..nice ring to it if you ask me

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jimmy de bas  
Years ago

I reckon you might have another thing coming if you think Sacred Heart will 'struggle' in Geelong. They have played 22 games this year for 21 wins and a draw. Everyone thought they would struggle against Unley, they beat them. Everyone thought they would struggle against Bulleen in the Marist Championship, they beat them. It is time to start giving these boys some respect. They are a damn good side.

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College Scout  
Years ago

I've seen nearly ever High School play this year and would have to say that St. Micks were clearly one of the better teams...

Yes, I'd say format for establishing the SA state champion school needs a re-jig!

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College Scout  
Years ago

Now on the Unley v Trinity game... Its been reported to us that the game was umpired a little unevenly ;-) if you know what I mean... foul count 4 to 20 or there abouts...with some clearly biased calls.... Maybe squaring up for the SHC game?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

how could u even suggest that this squares up for the SHC game? That game cost Unley the chance to win the state title .. and now u are saying that a foul count in the favour of Unley, in a wothless saturday morning school game ... makes up for it? That was a joke right?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

And another thing .. SHC will struggle in Geelong .. who was the last SA team to be even competitive over there? They don't have the size or deep rotation that schools such as Brisbane State, Whitfriars, Westfield, Townsville and Lake G seem to have on offer every year. Harri will need to average riddiculus numbers over the week for them even to compete. It is a huge step up from SA knockout and i don't believe that SHC have the right tools in their team to make an impact. This isn't to disrespect what they have done thins year ... they have had a great yeat, i'm not doubting that

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Anonymous  
Years ago

hey college scout here's a idea for ya how bout ya stop bitchin bout losing just cos ur team didnt make finals, wake up 2 yaself buddy hope u hav great fun typing up blogs on here while shc r over in geelong where they deserve 2 be. good on ya m8.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

thanks for that one samuel bromilow

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Anonymous  
Years ago

u left out john paul college, they give out scholarships to 2-3 yr 10-12's each yr apparently, allowing them to basically draft the state team. ive seen a fair few nationals and i dont think we've ever had an SA team be competitive.definately noone in the top 4 ever im sure.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

actually shc finished 4th last time they where over there in 1999.

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jimmy de bas  
Years ago

Nah, they came 5th... probably would have competed with the best had they not lost their point guard to injury weeks before the competition.

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Pulteney 22  
Years ago

yes collage scout..saint micks were amazing on saturday when an undermaned unley side destroyed them...unley keep proving the draws need to be changed. im not involved with unley..just feel pretty sorry for them because they were the best side this year and hahahaha...haha..they are 'officially' ranked 10th...haah...thats a disgrace...

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jimmy de bas  
Years ago

No Unley weren't the best. They lost. Sacred Heart have played 23 games this year and have not dropped a single one. Can't argue with that statistic.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

cant argue with the refs helping sacred heart out either

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Anonymous  
Years ago

omg r u kidding me how can you seriously keep whining about the refs, they where beating unley the whole game having in double digits 4 a majority seriosuly sacred heart had a good side this yr.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

yewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww SHC ARE the champions of 2007. cant argue with that statistic either can ye fellas!

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Carl  
Years ago

First of all, I am extrememly dissapointed seeing people directly point to the umpires. Yes they were shocking, but bad enough to crown a team champions on bad calls alone? I think not, so congratulations to the boys from Sacred Heart and goodluck in Geelong.

However, I would just like to voice my own opinion on the Unley v Sacred Heart Saga...

With all due respect to Sacred Heart who are an impressive side, I think Unley still had the best team this year. Yes they were beaten by Sacred Heart, but I happened to catch the game, and Unley were far from their best (to say the least). Their turnovers were atrocious and very careless, their defence was terrible (letting in too many easy baskets), their shooters didn't shoot well, they just had an all-out atrocious game and from where I was watching, it wasn't due to amazing defence or brilliant execution from SHC. Unley were simply off their game and for what reason I don't know. Pressure? Intimidation? All I know is that against all other sides this year they looked good enough to do some damage in Championship at the end of the year because EVERY player on that team always did their job. whether it be hitting threes, making passes, getting rebounds etc.

Point to the Mercedes game for example, a thirty-point trashing where Unley looked like a team that were all in sync with eachother. It honestly was BEAUTIFUL to watch Unley dismantle a heavy favourite with sheer talent. The champion Sacred Heart team beat this Mercedes team by I think 2 points. That doesn't add up, especially since Keegan Brooksby was still at the top of his game, dropping 30 in both contest.

Another major issue no one has mentioned is the fact Unley were playing without their best player Daly, (who played vs Mercedes and was instrumental. With him on the court, Mercedes could not press. He didn't even score over ten but ran absolutely everything to perfection and used the ball amazingly well.) Daly would've limited the turnovers to an absolute minimum. And in a game decided by one possession that would be at least a 15 point difference in itself. That's what they lacked in that game, a cool head, and a true point guard, one as good as Daly who also has the ability to guard Harvey.

My point is, without Unley's best player, the worst game of basketball I've ever seen them play, they were only beaten by one (Could've tied but I guess we will never know). A rematch with both sides at full strenght would be a one-sided affair in Unley's favour in my humble opinion.

If anyone chooses to respond to this or offer their opinion please dont do so as a pride member of either school bashing the other. Or see it from a bias perspective. Because if it's one thing I'm tired off it's seeing people bag eachother or sound arrogant in their post about their school.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

A team is who you put on the court. Not always what you put down on paper.

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jimmy de bas  
Years ago

Sacred Heart don't beat schools by 30 because there is no need to. Every single year Unley are the side that thrashes everyone but struggles when they come up against the better schools. Every year. Who cares about a 30, 40, 50 point win, SHC just get the job done every week. Full Unley side vs full SHC side, I think the boys from Somerton Park win by 10.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Ok .. lets do it. Lets organise a rematch .. Unley vs Scared Heart .... both schools up for it? we could call it a "warm-up" for Geelong?

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no balla  
Years ago

give it a rest champ... this is a public forum and the dude was just givin his opinion on what he thought would happen if they played again. what would sacred heart have to gain out of it anyway? seems stupid to me. they will be able to find far better sides to practise against than some overrated school ranked 10th in SA

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Boom Patrol  
Years ago

LOL NO BALLA, please go back into ur hole

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Anonymous  
Years ago

FYI SHC will be playing SHORE school from Sydney as a curtain-raiser to the 36ers home game on the 28th Sept. SHORE are traditionally pretty strong although they won't have any Year 12's in their team. Should still be a good reason to get along early and watch!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

hey i'm from shc n i didnt even no that we're playin *SHORE* how come they're comin down? oh n to that bloke who wrote his life story on here we didnt have scott o'connor either so if they had daly ur right it could hav been interestin but i guess we'll never no.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

SHORE participate in a regular exchane with St. Peter's College, so I assume they are here for that. If you're on the team, you better check with your coach!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

148034 ... u saying a one point game isn't intersting enough?

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VC fan  
Years ago

Guys seriously, stop bitching about what could have happened...
I dont think you understand what being the best is..its winning when it counts.

If Port beat Geelong in the GF this year, it will mean they are the best in the AFL at that time and ultimately for the year, the fact that Geelong had a great record throughout the year is irrelevant, if they don't win when it counts, in the finals.

Yes unley may have been unlucky to get SHC in the first round, bad refs missing players blah blah blach, THEY DIDNT WIN SO GET OVER IT!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I think the "bitching" stopped a while ago mate ... lets ask Sacred Heart who there toughest opponent all year was? .. if they wanted/needed practise, a warm up game for Geelong, surely Unley would be the best option. Not having a winge ... just stating the facts

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