poaching isn't a myth some times it's very blatent but untill some one does something about it it will keep going. in a way proving the poaching is the hard part, way to much one word verse's another to be dealt with.

should there be a section say on sportingpulse where each club list all trialist for there club ? this way clubs see who is looking else where and have the chance to speak to the family to see why and try and talk to them about it, also stops kids going from club to club smoke and daggers style

Let's have some facts that you're willing to back up, otherwise you're putting state coaches in a negative light.

IMO all that is needed is a code of conduct and agreed to by all clubs.

The following would be fine.

Player Poaching
To encroach upon another club's development work and encourage a young player to change clubs is a breach of Basketball Wales Code of Ethics & Conduct (see website) extracts are as follows:
Coaches should note that it is poor practice to make direct contact with a junior player currently not registered to your club with a view to them joining your club or to play for you in another tournament or competition, including representative teams.
Any contact from a third party should be made in the first instance via the players current club / coach prior to contacting the players parents / guardians, and the contact should only be for legitimate basketball reasons.
The practice of poaching players from another club cannot be condoned. Complaints involving young age-group players are particularly disturbing as these players are in their formative years and generally neither they nor their parents have an awareness of what it takes to develop as a basketball player.
There is no substitute for putting in the time in learning the fundamentals; these objectives are not always met by moving to a stronger club. In many cases this can mean more time on the bench for a stronger team and/or being less challenged by the opposition. At the same time increased travel time, cost or dislocation from friends, family and ones own community may be part of the price.
There are exceptions where outstanding potential may need to be developed; however these should be dealt with by following the procedure summarised earlier. Open and honest dialogue can assist all parties and will enable coaches to retain their integrity as basketball coaches - rather than poachers.

496 its just not true that the strong get stronger and the weak get weaker. North is struggling on its boys side compared with 5 -10 yrs ago. Norwood is struggling compared with 10 - 15 yrs ago. Southern are struggling compared with 15 - 20 yrs ago. Forestville were struggling but are quite strong now.

It definately does change. Sturt has been fairly consistent but this is through sheer hardwork and plenty of people willing to put their hands up rather than any significant "poaching".

Ok isaac, proof is a girl and the family from south u16's team this summer season was approached by a state coach from the boys side saying came across to sturt and we'll promise u state and SASI also throwing in the we have connection's in the US for college's in the future. This coach even caught up with the players parents for lunch to discuss her future. Now if that isn't a breach i don't wat is.
lets have 2 or 3 super club's while the smaller clubs die in the arse. But hey don't worry about basketball at a local level as long as the team wins at national level who really cares.
if this is allowed to continue to happen basketball in this state will die within 5 years.

That's not "proof", that's just more of your side of the story. Do you have a statement from the girl and her family that they were approached?

Please be aware (and this goes for all similar instances, other threads, etc) that if someone feels wronged by your post and requests your details via the right channels, I will comply from my end.

If you are absolutely confident of your story, think that it's right to expose, and are willing to defend it in court, you've nothing to worry about.

If you're going on a rumour, or a version of events from a third party, obviously you're taking a risk.

As I understand it, if the player or parent initiates contact, the rest is OK (having lunch, talking up college contacts, etc)?

When the parent express concern to myself and the coach at the time it is far more than hear say. The parents were very concerned at the time at the amount of stress this was putting the on the child. In the end the parents and the child where pressured to send their child to the club. Of course the parents are not now prepared to say anything because they would not b silly enough to cut the hand off that feed's them.

Yet you are prepared to publicly highlight this case? For what purpose? To cut it off for them out of spite? You are simply making this story up like so many others.

Isaac asked for proof - it is still only hearsay. it isn't true 'just cos you say so'.

Case #3 is laughable - cannot be 'poaching' if the kid is not playing district for anyone ..... it is known as 'recruiting' and NO club will present itself as anything less than fantastic in that scenario. In this instance I can think of 100 cases of people who were/are very thankful that an approach was made.

Case 1 & 2: asked by who? Only poaching if an official from the club asks the question first.

and

they are both lovely stories - prove them in a public place or with BSA with names and dates or they are just rumours that belong in a pub. There is no credibility at all.

From my extensive personal experience my opinion would be that the parents of many of these 'poached' kids and potential teammates at 'poaching' clubs are the ones that do all the talking and planning. Then the club is approached and in the most part there is a very open and clear protocol that is followed.

But - if it suits you to have some kind of plot running and carefully constructed 'conspiracy theories' then you go right ahead with it .....

When the parent express concern to myself and the coach at the time it is far more than hear say.

Technically, I think the chances are excellent that he's not earning $170k (given the maximum is $175k and he's the team MVP) - more likely he'd be on $175k or some other figure...

I have put my name to my post and the Tigers know where to find me.

(Interesting location anonymous - playing or coaching over there, or just passing through?)

(Also, FWIW, I actually have emailed the NBL about player payments in the past.)

Anon (from the interesting location), I should've also responded that if Chris' getting $170k, I'd say things are not fair for him, and more than fair for the Tigers!

It's quite funny really, that people move to get better chances to make state teams etc.

Bottom line is this may only effect (if it occurs) the 9th and 10th player, if you are a gun you will get picked, who ever you play for.

I don't see the point in a ok player going to a good team and sitting on the bench, when they can start for another team and develop their game by playing against good players.

Each to their own tho.

Bravo "Skin"
IMO you should play for your nearest club. It's better for the competition and it's better for your growth.
As you say, if you're an OK player, why warm the bench for all stars when you could play against them and improve your game and be a better player.

Does BSA need to introduce zones?

Anon- obviously I am talking about older age groups. Be good if people could use a bit of common sence and and value with their posts.

Perhaps poaching is a bad word which which causes reactions.
What is it called when a player has it 'suggested' by an opposition coach (with higher interests) that it would be very beneficial for the players development to move to another club?(wow- this coach may even be the new team coach for the player)
The parent and player become interested and are advised that said club cannot move on player, but if the family chooses to move clubs, all is OK

The 1st poster on this topic is a joke. "One club has lost a tall u18 to a larger club" Hahahahahah! Nice try anon, or should I say "factless"

The kid you are talking about wasnt poached, coerced or even asked to play at the said club at all. She made her intentions know to the club she wanted to go too; went out to their trials for ALL TO SEE and is now waiting to play for them next season.

"Is it feasible for clubs to agree upon a ceiling of SASI players each side should have rather than build super teams" ....Yeah if your a second rate club that cant be bothered putting in the effort to keep your kids and do some development in the 1st place.

"A couple of teams are made up wholly of SASI and country state reps and yet they 'pinch' or encourage further movement to their clubs" Talk to the parents of these kids and find out what some clubs really do, or rather dont do for their players. As a matter of "fact" talk to the u18 kids mum. You may actually get "the facts"

The club that I have highlighted above has had approaches from 2 other high profile kids in the same age group wanting to come over for the summer season, but they were too scared of the retribution from their existing clubs to come to trials. Unfortunatly the club they would like to play for has a no trial, no spot available policy.

Unfortunatly not all clubs have this policy, including some smaller clubs. Prehaps the original post could have been about making a no trial, no spot available policy manditory; but then it would stop the original posters club from "gaining" players....... wouldnt it?

When I approached a club regarding my child moving they spoke to me about State and SASI as well.

They spoke about teaching along similar philosophies and that they try and implement similar development plans for their players. So that the players have a better chance of making the teams. We were under no illusion that this meant it was still up to the player to put in the work and improve.

Coming from a club that "bags" SASI and its development, it was a breath of fresh air to see the kids development being put first, over peoples individual squabbles.

Yes my kid moved, and hopefully they will continue to develop. But it just seems to me that they are doing more now than before.

Yeah I can. There will always be legit excuses why current players cant trial, but my information is that from this season forward, if you want to go to that club, you will trial or look else where.

Are you happy for kids to switch teams without trialing?

Personally Im not.

D E F E N C E !!!!

In relationship to zones, that idea is straight out stupid. If kids find the club they are in does not suite them, they leave the sport.

I grew up near Morphett Vale stadium and my sister played a lot of school basketball at Morphett Vale Stadium. One of her friends was playing for Adelaide and convinced her to come out to trials (Forestville Stadium - original one). Hence my sister played for Adelaide but lived in Morphett Vale. When I started to play basketball I naturally wanted to play for the same club as my sister (family loyalty).

Now Adelaide was never going to be the best club for both of us to develop, however it was our first insight to District basketball and we both enjoyed our time there. My parents were both referees and refereed at Morphett Vale and back in those days we didn't have district games at MVS so they refereed District at Marion. Next thing you know we decided to play for South because it was easier for the family and it offered us a better opportunity in the sport.

We both completed our junior basketball at South. My Sister's husband who also played all of his Basketball at South (inbred) some how ended up coaching at Sturt. His kids now play for Sturt because that is where their Dad coaches. The kids don't live near Sturt either. I can't see where any of this is wrong.

FM - I think you were going well with your argument until you mentioned the evil empire, that is why the clubs want zoning so no-one has a choice to play there unless they live in the area

Isn't it the case that ultimately it's up to the kids and parents to decide? I'm not convinced that any amount of "poaching" effects player movements to a great deal.

Refernce:http://www.gofor2and5.com.au/recipes.aspx?c=3&a=288&n=168&rl=176

POACHED PEARS

10 minutes preparation + 15 minutes cooking
6 serves of fruit in this recipe

1 L (1000mL) dark grape juice
6 pears, peeled and quartered, cores removed

Pour juice into a saucepan and bring to the boil. Lower the heat, add pears and simmer for 1015 minutes or until just tender. Turn pears over to cover in juice during cooking. Remove from the heat and allow to cool in the syrup. Serve warm or cold.

Apparently delicious and good for you by any name. Doule the factual info to feed a team.

SASI should have it in their nutrition plan.

Anon - I agree. But I'm not convinced that the parent only looks to increase the child's opportunities following a "poaching attempt" by another club.

If a parent and child choose to move, chances are they were not happy at the current club anyway. If approached by another club, the most it can do is make the parent and child consider their current situation in comparison to the approaching club. The parents and child are free to choose what to do from there.

Some of the above posts give the impression that children are forced to move - that's crap.

Zoning?? Seriously??? Being a life member at one club, and having played all juniors and seniors there is the place where my kids will play. Why would I want to go to another place or club?? If this rule is brought in by BSA then off to netball and football I go... Can't see it happening to be honest!!

if one item is more gorgeous then another item its natural to move to the better more hotter item. To not do so would mean not having the oppurtunity to do bigger and hotter things

I've been contacted by who I believe may be a parent of the player in question saying that the version of events put forward on here is quite inaccurate and that they well and truly initiated the movement to leave the previous situation. Definitely at odds with what the anonymous poster has given.

I have spoken to a player and the parent, who were approached a number of years ago by another clubs team manager in the same age group. Strangely this was done directly after a summer season grand final where the player had played against the team that was trying to poach him. The player and parent declined the approach, however didn't inform their club at the time as they did not know that it was not allowed. It was only found out when all players within the team were asked if they had ever been approached by another club, they have since been instructed to inform the club immediately if they are spoken to by another club in the future.

Every club does it or has tried to poach. Anyone coming on here saying that their club has not done is full of it. Move on and accept it happens.

IMO if a player plays Div1 for a club and is either poached, or wants to move clubs the existing club should get something in return for the development they have already put into the player. Should look at the SANFL structure and maybe a transfer fee or player for player trade to keep things fair.

202638 - what div is/are your kid/s in?