Sorry but Ivor Burge is not the same as a Junior Nationals. No offence.

Though club or origin of coaches was a little interesting too:

U16 boys: Jarrod Clarke (South)
U16 girls: Marcus Wong (Forestville)
U18 boys: Michael Chrisan (Forestville)
U18 girls: Troy Schroeder (SA Country - Pt. Augusta maybe)
U20 men: Tony Casella (South)
U20 women: Simon Pritchard (N.C.T.)

Also curious if anyone else even applied for any of the above roles. 1 maybe 2 surprises but all in all a fairly decent and well deserved group.

Isn't Troy from Norwood, he has been metro coach for a few years now didn't realize he was associated with SA country.

Troy has been with norwood for quite a few years now, he originated from whyalla... Great coach

(Mod: Anonymous sniping.)

The point was that Troy came from the Country and was already a good coach before he moved to Adelaide.

Also that when you look at the originally list you'd get one perspective of which club/s develop the best coaches, until you look at where those coaches have come from.

Flinders I'm sure the coaches that go treat it like a Nationals. Just like the coaches that go with teams to Nunawading treat it like they're at classics.

They're not the same and you only have to look at the experience of an Ivor Burge coach in comparision to the experience of the Junior State coaches to realise they're different.

I think it takes an amazing amount of patience and skill to coach an Ivor Burge team. I don't mean any offence to that group of players or coaches. I just don't think its equal to a Junior State team appointment.

Flinders obviously you're involved with this group so taking my comments personally.

Let me try and explain what was just a passing comment.

the Ivor Burge tournament and the S.A. State team obviously have their place in the basketball calendar.

One of the unique aspects of basketball which no other sport in the world can make claim to is the fact basketball really is "Everyone's Game"

Men, Women, Intellectually disabled, Physically Disabled (both wheelchair and non-hearing) have access to play the sport at the highest level possible.

But every tournament is different and every type of the game is different.

Ivor Burge is a great tournament but do I consider it the equal of the Under 20, Under 18 or Under 16 Nationals, no I do not. And while it may not be PC to say, I am sure that even those involved with Ivor Burge would accept that.

I personally do not believe the Ivor Burge tournament should be played as part of the Under 20 Nationals but that's just my opinion.

I never claimed that the Ivor Burge National team wasn't a real national team. Nor the wheelchair team. But like it or not they're limited to a very small section of the community and are not on equal with the Boomers or Opals.

Like I said it may not be PC to say it but it's fact.

Perhaps Blah Blah there is this perception and we can't be bothered wasting our time

Castro - where do you mean show results. In the local district competition or what. Last I knew it was impossible to show state team results unless you were a state coach!!

"Perhaps Blah Blah there is this perception and we can't be bothered wasting our time"

With an attitude like that, I'd suggest you don't have what it takes to be a state coach anyway!

Not defeatist at all. In fact I am not in the least interested in being a state coach but one has to question why we only have one applicant. One conclusion is people don't think they will get a look in. Some of the best coaches are not those that don't necessarily win state champs but have generated the best improvement and development of individuals and the team.

Instead of asking for applicants why not approach potential future coaches and nurture them as well. Outside the box perhaps but why not!

I have been an assistant and to be honest have no desire to do the top job. Perhaps people think other things in their live are more important hence why there are not a lot of applicants. Takes a big chunk out of your your year and is it really worth it?

"One conclusion is people don't think they will get a look in."

Concluded by people with defeatist attitudes, who don't have the desired character to coach any team, let alone state teams. More likely it is the fact that non-basketball life is close to zero for the preparation period (about 6 months for 16s/18s, 3 or 4 for 20s) and they have family/other interests that that time is slated for.

The point on approaching coaches and getting flak for it is someway off as coaches are a nod and a wink now and it's widely accepted that only anointed coaches apply. Given that we have a high performance coach manager in Mr G I would think it reasonable that he appoints coaches or has a large say in those appointed.Therefore, state is okay.
Where the problem lies is that there is not enough new/old coaching talent at SASI where coaches can learn more about their trade and this more than the state coaches is the real issue.
Every club needs to be represented by at least 2 coaches at SASI and this should be a rolling coaching tenure of say two year slots not the existing boys club of same SASI coaches for the past decade.

anon# 389,

NG has asked each club to have coaches come out to SASI sessions. Numerous times at the coaching directors meetings. Each time clubs have not been able to find people willing to make the commitment.

Keep bleeting, the same argument keeps getting put up. And has already been dismissed as untrue.

#394

Well this message is not getting through to all the coaches who may be interested. What people think is happening is not really happening.

Instead of going to the clubs why not advertise like they do for state coaches. Perhaps even allowing some younger coaches to participate or be mentored.

I guess at the end of the discussion, people should sit down, write a letter to the BASA board with some proposal on what they would like to see...

See after all BASA is there to help all basketball clubs and therefore you the members have a say. If you want it to go thru your club then use your club rep and get them to put it up.

I am sure if there was more people applying then there would be more discussion on those coaches who missed out, but that isn't here so I am lead to believe that there really isn't that many people applying...Shame to say the least as there are very good coaches at each club, and that is not having a go at the current batch of coaches who are in jobs now.
Well done to them for applying to get the jobs and I know they also give time at SASI and in club's.