try getting them to do jump shots - many have been taught

Mark,

Are you aware that the U18 State team. Full of 10 SASI players just beat the Victoria Metro team?

A Vic met team that is selected from 10 individual assocations that are bigger than all BSA. Plus another 20 assocations of a similar size.

Realistically, that is a tremendous result for the development that occurs for those players who are able to listen and learn.

You post just exemplifies the igorant nature of those haters who are incapable of understanding the development pathways for individuals and the necesary steps it takes to learn, refine and implement skills like shooting a jump shot.

Mark, you might like to schedule "individuals" for your players if you are so concerned about their lack of development.

There is also a significant difference between being able to "do" a jumpshot, and "making" a jumpshot.

You question how many in the U16 program can do a jumpshot, yet you have some of your girls in these squads... might it be that your girls weren't taught jumpshot basics in U12/U14?

anon,

How do you know that? How do you comepare across years?

And its not like SA has had bad results in recent history anyway.

TI camps are IMO all about seeing what is out there whilst also showing the kids all the things they should be able to do competently at this age.

My question with this is the way the forms are handed out.

If you finish top you get the most forms.

If you finish last you get the least number (sometimes this means 1)

So how do you find talent in teams that only have 1 form to give out. By my reckoning this means there is a chance you will miss a outstanding kid during TI if he is not the best kid in a loosing side.

I understand that if your team is last is very likely you only have 1 kid worthy of similar talents. But this also means you are missing kids.

TI = Talent Identification

How do you identify talent if they are not given a form to attend.

why stress out over jump shots - yes it would be great and some can do them and do the shot well.

get the foul shooting at 80% first

Surely thats what the development camp is for.

And if you have more than 1 'outstanding' kid, why are you finishing last?

Most top teams don't have more than 2 outstanding players, so maybe it is your understanding of outstanding that is the issue.

anonomous,

Not really what I thought they were saying at all?

Seems they were saying that their little Johnny didn't get to go to div 1 camp because their team was bad and they only got 1 invite and their little Johnny didn't become an olympic player because the system was against them.

Even though, as you rightly pointed out. There would be better players from other clubs in div 2.

the successful clubs have the infrastructure to put a decent programme together with the right people.

Some of the clubs that are in a trough have not had / put the right people in the right spots.

Regardless of what club - a decent player will be recognized.

I agree with the comment above div 1 player / team by name only - the sooner we have pro/rel across the board the better.

however there is always going to be a top team and a bottom team - fact of competition.

By putting the correct people in place and not allowing club politics to interfeer with the organisation.

By having a committee that makes decisions based on moving forwards rather than complaining about what is going wrong.

Some clubs like Norwood and Sturt have been running Aussie Hoops or OZ Hoops as it was previously known for over 10 years.

Some clubs have organised grants to assist in having development officers and coachign directors.

Other clubs just complain that BSA is not doing enough for them.

anon,

a) how can you say it is not? How do you compare across years objectively?

b) SA have been producing good results for the last 10 years, so surely saying the development of players compared to Victoria who has 20x as many players to chose from make it a mute point.

look at any successful organisation - are there any identical persons, philosophies or processes at your club (whatever that club may be) ?

Hydra, in case it wasn't a typo - "moot point", though I guess you were mute as well!

Anon 244. The Southern Tigers kid is a very good player but the Australian selectors seem to rank him behind 2 players from Sturt.

"Not one from one of the big 2". Uhhh Sturt have 4, not sure what team you are looking at.

"Look at the Under 20s. Look at those invite to Australian Junior Camps. Yes the big two have their players there but there are plenty of others from club without so called programs and the right people etc"

Uhh who? Don't say Hooley he has only played a handful of games at South, he was Norwood all his life. Sturt players in the boys and Foretville and Sturt in the girls if you go by the last few camps and the last World Champs cycle. Carlin from Centrals is the exception.

Do some research to back up your claims, otherwise people will just call BS, just as I am.

Yes but the Southern Tigers kid did go to an Oz Camp previously and my understanding of selection to one of these camps is based on your stats from nationals, one would then suggest that some kids would be given more time to increase their stats, to ensure selection at one of these camps

Your understanding is wrong.

Plenty of kids have had good stats at Nationals and not gone to All-Australian camps.

LOL, Please enlighten us as to your understanding of the process, because there must be one

Sister played 14 Nationals for STurt and won a silver medal.

But dont let the facts get in the way of a good lie.

Maybe the key is for SA to keep identifying the kids reasonably early but be aware others may not 'peak' till much later?? (eg. broaden vision along the way maybe??)

The positive of these camps: I was in the system about 15yrs ago and the club div1 coach put me in div3 because he didnt like my parents. Previous to this i had attended an IT camp, from this camp i was sent a letter to trial in a state squad. Pretty ironic a div3 player could possibly get selected for the state team!! Just shows the politics of clubs, but the my main point is these camps help recognise talent beyond the politics.....(please dont send negative crap about i wasnt good enough and thats why i was put in div3, you dont me, people use to hate playing against me, and I found this out by attenting these camps).

I think the system works. I am impressed with the SASI program and less with my Clubs program. I sat in on my sons first SASI session and to my amazement they could all do what was asked of them (with different degrees of skill). looking back at the kids who missed out from our club the same cant be said, not one of them would have been able to do the ball skills required at SASI. NG went on to tell the boys this was Under 10 level stuff. I can say with absolute certainty my son's (both Div 1's) were never taught this stuff at Under 10's. There is one Boy from our club who we all thought wouldnt make it through SASI, I can tell you now he is developing a lot faster than any of the other boys and will be a dominant player in 16s next season. Because of where we finished my son was not able to go to the TI camp but he did attend the Development camp. Being in SASI doesnt give you an Automatic pass to TI, if by chance the Girls TI was full of SASI underpinned then doesnt it go to show that SASI is working because their teams were able to send them......?