Jack Toft
Years ago

R8 ABL Action

North v Southern @ Hillcrest Tin Shed
Women: Both teams are coming off losses, so a win tonight will be crucial to the long term plans for both teams. North were humbled by the Lions, and the Tigeresses played well to minimise the bleeding against West. Quite by co-incidence, the score in both games was 57 to 70 - what are the chances of that? North seem to rely on too few, whereas Southern spread the love around. Based on that, Southern to put another stake in the heart of the Rockettes as they slide down the table. Another big cat win in the tin shed. Someone told me BSA paid a $2/yr rent on Hillcrest, probably over-priced by $3/yr.
Men: Rockets on a 3 game winning streak would love to extend it to 4, but they are in a logjam with 4 other teams on 3 wins so they need to win tonight. Tigers have lost the last 2 and looking for the comfort of a win before a horror run of Sturt, Forestville, Mavs and Flames. The next rounds for the Tigers are like negotiating a minefield in Afghanistan. Bondy was a little quiet last round would be keen to show that 40 points was not a fluke. He might explode like a zit on a teenager's back to prove that. North are a mere shadow of their teams from years ago, but should add to the Tiger’s pains tonight.

Sturt v West @ Pasadena
Women: MOTR without a doubt. Both teams enter undefeated and this is the battle of ex-Lightning coaches. It’s the "Marino Cup" to be presented by Angela to the winner. Both teams are stingy in defence, so every goal counts. In fact, these teams are so stingy in defence, their defence is tighter than two coats of paint. This game will be played at full speed and will be live until the last play. Madgen has been giving the other team’s credit card a bashing of late, but she won’t spend up big tonight. Sturt in the narrowest of margins.
Men: Probably not the blockbuster it could have been with Holmes not there. Ninja is on fire and spurred on by his re-signing should be shooting the lights out. Paul Bell’s boys have only blotted their copy book once by loosing the Jimmy Barnes Cup and would not be happy being #2. You need to take your chances against Sturt when you can and tonight we might just see that. The home crowd at Pasadena Stadium hate home losses and this will be a rare one for them to watch as they sip their chardonnay and choke on their prawn cocktails.

Mavs v Warriors @ Icehouse
Women: Will be one to watch for all the wrong reasons. Whoever looses tonight should end up with the wooden spoon.
Men: Big news of the week is that Brad Hill will become a Taipan. Why would he want to move to such a warm, sunny place when he can enjoy the frosty mornings offered by the Adelaide Hills as the misty rain drizzles over his morning newspaper while the mist rolls off the mounts? The best dressed coach in the league will be hoping that this has distracted his counterpart this week and he can steal an away win. The Warriors may be in for a chilly reception. Bruce has been dishing out assists like Zoolander dishes out steel blue and Madgen, B, has been a thorn in any team’s side. Warriors might snatch victory, then again the Sixers might snatch Big Red.

Norwood v South @ Mars
Women: Gotta feel sorry for anyone playing against Team Foley this year. South trying hard, but can’t quite get the W, will battle against the in form Lady Flames. I am trying hard to think how South can knock them off without the use of a baseball bat. Nope, can’t see Norwood dropping this game. I reckon Norwood must have the Red Cross on standby so if they slaughter their opponents, they can give them a blood transfusion to beat them again.
Men: David Cooper has been putting up strong performances and tonight, the crafty, experienced centre might be the thorn in the side of DJ. The way Coops has played in his last three games, Marty might be seeing if there is some room on the roster for the ghost. Norwood are still top and South have put a temporary halt to their slide. Norwood will give South a push down the hill tonight. It’s not going to be a good night for the blue and white this round, 2-0 to the Flames.

Lions v Eagles @ Siberia North
Women: Anyone who thinks the Lionesses are pushovers this season have been hiding under a rock. The Lionesses have found their ROAR! and the Eagles wings have been flapping without success this season. The change of coach hasn’t affected the Lionesses who have found their savannah. When was the last time someone felt confident tipping the Lionesses? Mahoney might be in for some special attention from her old teammates tonight, but her presence on court will be the difference. Lions don’t often dine on Eagle, but I hear “it tastes like chicken”.
Men: The Lions have been unlucky not to have more wins, but seem to had a brain fade for about 5 minutes each game that gives it up. The Eagles have been inflicting “The Rash” on their opponents and the Lions will need to apply the “Kollashnikov” lotion to avoid an outbreak. Mottram is suiting for the Eagles and this will test the Carlinator who is leading the Lions scoring and must be attracting the attention of Marty as he finalises his roster. The 3 points specialists will be out tonight. Atkins for the home team and "the Brads" for the visitors. For the Lions to knock off their more fancied opponents, some of the old faces will need to step up to the plate. While this game will be closer than the ladder suggests, Eagles can play the full 40 minutes and this is the telling difference as the Lions bad 5 minute spell is the only thing to give an opponent a game.

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Panther32  
Years ago

LMAO...absolute gold!
"The home crowd at Pasadena Stadium hate home losses and this will be a rare one for them to watch as they sip their chardonnay and choke on their prawn cocktails."

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Jack central's women certainly have found ways of getting their opponent's best players all in foul trouble?

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Sweet write up Jack, but sturt women lost to Norwood in round one,so they need the win to stay second. Should be another super round.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

My favourite part of every Thursday!

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rock  
Years ago

Yep, look forward to thursday's hoops with Jack

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I think you will find that the so-called "best players" get themselves into foul trouble pretty easily. It looks as though the Centrals games are now getting called fairly, as they too have players that understand the game now... times are a-changing!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

C'mon 876, are you serious? Centrals and Southern have the sharpest elbows in the comp and are blessed with officials from Braille House.

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I think 876 i saying that now that centrals women are far more competitive, the umpires are calling the game far more 50/50 than previous years.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Lol @ sharpest elbows.

Dude ru serious? I think that is th oldest complaint in the book if you have no idea about basketball. I remember that same complaint about different teams twenty years ago.

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In the Know  
Years ago

"Marino Cup" the funniest thing I have read on here for a long time. Great write up.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Will all the money the centrals women's team has spent be worth it and will anyone care in 4 or 5 years time? Everything out centrals way is import related from country juniors to paid players. Nothing of significance attracting the local players.Sturt have for years shown that developing your own brings rewards at ABL level not importing short term success.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The refs at ABL have always refereed the same style - centrals now has a team that is able to compete at this standard.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

318910, if you were talking purely about the current ABL womens team, you may have a point that the majority of the players are from outside the junior program.

In terms of not caring in 4-5 yrs time I think you are wrong, the feel around our junior program due to the success of the women is great.

In terms of the rest of the club, including juniors, been "import related" as you put it, well things couldn't be further from the truth!

4 examples.
1. Dan Carlin
2. Chris Clausen
3. Jacob Templeton
4. Andrew Bolton

Show me a club other than Sturt that has had 1 kid go onto. Graduate from a D1 NCAA school, 1 kid play basketball for Australia at junior worlds, 2 go to jucol in the space of 18 mths over the past 5 yrs....

What these kids have proven is you can play for the Lions and develop at a rate faster than your peers in other environments and go onto high levels of basketball than them.

Many of the great country kids will end up boarding in Adelaide.

All 4 from the Lions and its just the beginning my friend.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

318916, ok I'll bite!
Forestville boys program has seen 1 player NBA drafted, 3 players tour with Aus Senior/Junior teams and 4 players attend jucol in the past 5 years.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Mavericks a couple of years ago were flying high recruiting sturt's kids and country cousins across a number of junior teams, now mavs is almost dead senior women and juniors with remnants left but few upcoming talent to develop.
All your country 'goodins' will end up at Norwood if history is any judge and centrals will return to its former self.
Buy sturt coaches not players.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

930: "history"... There is historic precendence for it. You seem very nervous.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

#930 Almost dead, please check both the results from state champs and the current junior ladders. Clearly the program is doing something right. Dont judge the current crop of juniors upon one struggling ABL side.

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??  
Years ago

wow was darren Ng a sturt junior, carla borego and riley luggerot both juniors at forestville, are mitch creek and daniel johnson south juniors, did Jeff Dowdell and Dave nurse grow up at port adelaide, new american, blight and pilks at woodville. you guys are kidding youselves if you think the lionsesses have spent any more money that anyone else.

pretty sure des cummins a former div 3 warrior and more recently country netballer is not breaking the bank at the starplex, jess mahoney is a quality player that is exactly the same as the imports or NBL/WNBL players all other clubs have, get over the fact they are winning and now have players to mentor and develop the juniors they have now and will attract.

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Pug  
Years ago

What some of you Johnny come latelys dont know, is that this has happened before.

Centrals has had some wins at Junior and Senior levels in the past.

But it is done through recruiting and not developing. But more importantly, it is done through unsustainable means. And over time, the recuriters get pissed of an move clubs, leaving nothing to remain.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Pug,

I guess Forestville, Sturt and Norwood do things differently to Centrals?@!?!?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Pug there is alot of recruiting going on out there. Recruiting kids into basketball that dont play, recruiting country kids into the district competition. Recruiting coaches. Its exactly what should happen, what every club does, has done and will always do.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

well champagne flutes were spilled at the pas tonight. west men by 13 in an important game.

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Crows_fan67  
Years ago

What forestville boy was NBA drafted?

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Crows_fan67  
Years ago

What forestville boy was NBA drafted?

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Oden08  
Years ago

Brad Newley

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Oden08  
Years ago

Brad Newley

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pallas25  
Years ago

#916

A very rose-coloured view of the world, and I can only guess that you are new to SA basketball. If you want to hold up a few individual examples to demonstrate success, then you're barking up the wrong tree.

Also, FWIW, Templeton was not a Centrals junior. Left Norwood as a second year 18.

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Pallas78  
Years ago

And Clausen was a North junior.

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Hg  
Years ago

So if a player is a junior at two or more clubs, what club gets to claim him as their junior , Clausen and templeton and humphries all juniors at other clubs before being juniors at centrals . They went to centrals for more opportunity seems that move worked . So are they not centrals juniors as well. Hate to play under 10s at torrens valley and then, 12, 14, 16,18,23s at Norwood , play state, go to college , play nbl and go to olympics then be called a torrens valley junior.

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Pallas78  
Years ago

Difference in that and leaving a club after U18s.

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Hg  
Years ago

Just checking , but if you leave a club playing under 18 div 3 and then progress at another club surely the new club get some credit??

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Hg,opens up a whole can of worms really as to why kids stay at clubs in lower grades when very few of them get the chance to play higher because they are pigeon holed by their club as 2 or 3 div players.

I think the player who moved deserves the credit not the club he moved to and I wish while present rules exist that more kids would move to strengthen the comp but then you get the development argument.

BSA should lead basketball by recognizing their are too many clubs too close together in some cases and others too far apart. Find a way to sort that out, give clubs areas to develop at the junior and senior level then the development and poaching ills that have plagued basketball for twenty years would disappear.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So ABL results anyone? Considering this Is the Round 8 thread.

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UKW  
Years ago

Lol at Sturt using their juniors well... Is that why they started getting country kids to help win in juniors, only to have them get freebies and the other kids in those teams quit closer towards seniors because the coaching and senior system was geared to helping only one kid? It's not usually a good thing when a junior team goes undefeated pretty much as second years only to fold up because the club gives them a coach for the last couple senior years who nobody wants in the club, and as a result 5+ players leave the club and the sport? Players that where expected to get a shot in ABL 2-3 years earlier!

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The Answer  
Years ago

Thought this was a discussion about round 8 ABL, not a pissing competition about junior development.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

West beat sturt pretty convincingly in the men, although Jacob did not play. They kept Ng and Daly to pretty average games too.

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Hg  
Years ago

Kollasch had 39 and 12 reb last night as lions men lost to eagles by 13, Tucker and sullivan 56 between them.

Woodville men beat eastern

North smacked tigers

Flames beat south

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Anonymous  
Years ago

KW,

seriously are you on crack? What are you talking about? Sturt only has 2 country kids right now. And what coach are you talking about? Wow

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Camel 31  
Years ago

Perhaps as a parting pre-amble...................... At Forestville Women v North Adelaide.....
Carla Borrego will play R9..
Cain't wait for the narrator to let fly , Thursday.

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Hg  
Years ago

Hang on that means eagles are spending money on a player to strengthen their team with half a season to go, better hammer them hard remember buying players over junior development is bad bad bad .

It will only bring fast results what about the future blah blah blah

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titan 40  
Years ago

Agree, why you think players have bene leaving.

ie Mahony, Ireland

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no idea  
Years ago

titan 40 - yes they left on anticipation of someone arriving mid season...

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No idea, are you saying Ireland and Mahony were "not required" at forestville so feagles could get Borrego?

If true, thats a huge call to make for a coach.

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titan 40  
Years ago

Was agreeing with HG

On the continual recruitment.

Was suggesting that the senior program at Forestville is more about recruitment than development.

And as such some players have been leaving.

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Camel 31  
Years ago

It was Thursday May 5th onair@fiveaa ..
when Carla Borrego was asked about playing Basketball here during T-Birds off-season.
" I didn't know it was an option. " She made the direct statement.
From there , WEagles contacted T-Birds who thought
as she only came into ADL from overseas one week before the season and wasn't fit... that it would be good to have her in ADL playing Basketball for her fitness , during off-season.

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

I guess when a "weak club" entices a good player to play for them to boost their programme, they're a lazy club who are “buying a player, in favour of Junior Development”. When a “strong club” entices a good player, I suppose they are “enhancing Junior Development by providing an additional positive role model for young players to aspire to”.

Reminds me of the angel who said her horns were there only to hold her halo up.

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titan 40  
Years ago

I agree with you here Jack.

unfortunately it is easier for a coach to hang their hat on 'results based recruitment' than development.

Look at all the players through Forestville's senior programs. They lead the recruitment philosophy.

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no idea  
Years ago

titan 40 I would suggest you are not even close with your thoughts...

how do you explain then in their Back to Back championships 10 of the 11 players were Eagles Juniors that had progressed to Seniors...

Looks like clear development over recruitment

even when significant players changed from 2009 to 2010 they were replaced with juniors not recruits...

Try the facts first...

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titan 40  
Years ago

Like Ranford/Mahony/Buttress/Fergus?

All from other clubs.

Or do you mean this years team Bello/Trimboli/Duncan/Bow?

All from other clubs.

Sorry my mistake.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Duncan bow Trimboli are all forestville juniors!! Do you guys ever research you're facts!!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Trimboli started at Lions in U12.

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Just the Facts  
Years ago

Trimboli
Centrals /North/ Forestville

Bow
South/Forestville

Duncan is a Country girl

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Anonymous  
Years ago

who cares - its just womens basketball anyway

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Camel 31  
Years ago

Reckon you might get a few extra pop up unannounced
at Forestville , Saturday nite..
Borrego very popular in ADL and a good news story.

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titan 40  
Years ago

anon and No idea.

ooops.

I though Duncan played a bit at West as well.

Looking at their team they have;

Minear All 8 games played

Corrigan 7 games

Robinson 6 games

Sims 4 games

Kermond 2 games

Harrison 3 games

Eyles 0 games

That is the born and bred juniors.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

ABL is about winning. Of course clubs are going to recruit if they don't feel their junior program has the ability to succeed at senior level.

It's no different to what the elite clubs do in juniors. Recruit to fill the gaps in their program.

It's sport. It's done at every level in every sport.

How many SA born and bred players play for the Sixers? Lighting?

How many for the Crows? Power? Or try Thunderbirds!!!

Reality is most people play sport to win. Developing players is a path to winning games. Recruiting is as well.

Both will always happen, time for everyone to move on.

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bball  
Years ago

Its like saying If you had a chance to get MJ in his hay day you would say no thanks I will just run little jonny because he started here in u/10s >>>>>>>>>> mmmm I dont think so like the above post said it happens in all sport and always will

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titan 40  
Years ago

Thats all well and good.

But then dont come on here and claim them as being developed by the club.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I think its still interesting to see where players start and develop their skills.

It's good to see that many players got their start at so called weaker clubs.

This doesn't always take away from the work their current club does though so no need to be so defensive.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Wow! I wonder whose imports will be the best? Neil Craig reckons she is among the most exciting group of players he's ever seen and has made her an offer to play full forward.
Just think anybody could win the ABL championship if more kind benefactors chipped in with more dough.
Junior basketball is on its knees with the big clubs choking with kids and the smaller clubs not having enough but do we care as long as money's around for imports all's well.

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