Ex Pres
Years ago

BSA and moving forward


Has the time come for someone to put a vote of "no confidence" in the current leadership at Basketball SA?

Is enough , enough ?

1. No new stadiums in four years despite Government rescue packages of $43 Billion handed out once in a lifetime

2. No sponsorship of any kind in our sport and the loss of Bank SA and a like years ago.

3. No evenness of the competition with the strong getting stronger and the others falling away alarmingly.

4. No change in senior management and we put up with the same old same old every season/year.

5. No showcase for Senior basketball in SA (and reading the Hoops SA site today the event last night was disgracefully run with a low budget feel with a premium price tag).Same 18 round season year in year out. Why not think of a 27 round season with a split in the middle of Winter to play on e.g. Friday's in the middle of school holidays and then on Sunday?.

6. Under 23 is disgraceful in the lower end and kids will leave the sport to play something that offers more like footy for a better return for your ( their money)

7. Division 2 Men on Monday night hasn't worked and BSA haven't listened to the concerns raised by clubs that ABA train mostly on Monday's

8. Poor competition planning ( Promor/Relo is about to happen again, where clubs may end up with 3 teams in a 8 team comp for Winter 2012 ) with poor usage of local facilities that are up to scratch and using out of date stadiums for premium events.12 team competitions with 18 round seasons in juniors yet seniors run for 24 rounds?

9. No "balls" to set the direction early only try and have more meetings with no outcomes.

10. No resolution with Church and Country.

11. Domestic comp poorly managed and it is only kids wanting a second game with substandard environment.

12. Most of all, poor communication to all members. One newsletter every time there is a full or new moon is not enough IMO.

Things need to change at the top, and is it time for the vote at the next BSA AGM ??

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Rock  
Years ago

I am starting to feel the same way.
Having been in and around the basketball admin in this state for many years, I try not to be cynical about the efforts of others. However I really struggle with the approach that seems to be about a common denominator based on dragging down the performing clubs/associations instead of on-the ground support for the struggling clubs/associations.

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Ex Pres  
Years ago

Rock,

Lets start a facebook page or something and drum up votes before the AGM ?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Camel urine and dancing bears

Oh sorry I thought we were just saying things that dont go together

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

Does BSA actually have an AGM where people can vote?

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JackO  
Years ago

Primary goal should be to shift ABL away from Saturday nights.

Just a terrible timeslot that isn't spectator friendly and restricts players from having a social life.

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Ex Pres  
Years ago

JAck, I dont know about the vote at AGM but will follow up.

You must agree, something has to happen or we will see a great sport fade away.

Will get back to you

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Problem is everyone says something has to happen but no one agrees.

For example 18 rounds was decided by the clubs not BSA. Waratah has 26, SEABL has 20 rounds, WA has 19 rounds, BigV has 18 rounds and QBL has 14 rounds.

Some say not Saturday nights, others say not weekdays. All other comps are on weekends. All other comps with Youth Leagues play YL on weekends as well. Victoria play SEABL, Youth League, BigV, D League and Div 1 and Div 2 Seniors all on Weekends.

Some say full pro/rel, others say it will hurt the smaller/weaker clubs

Some say zone, others say its unfair.

IMO unless we have a council/commission who can see past their own backyard and make decisions which are best for basketball as a whole it doesn't matter what admin BSA have.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

27 game round and you can kiss goodbye to half the volunteers that keep the game running as it is.

People work, and the volunteers dont get paid to be there, they do it for the love of the game/club. But when you are asking them to be away from family at least twice a week, it just wont happen.

Same as if you move it to a day time on the weekend. At least being in the evening, volunteers can still be with their family and do family things during the day. Players tend to be young, and I am sure plenty of them have a more than active social life after their Saturday night games.

Of course I am talking CABL level, summer league and other levels, well fight that out yourselves :)

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Now that Qaddafi is gone ,lets get together and do something about the dictators in this sport.Get the clubs together and lock the doors till they come up with an agreement for the sports future!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

What doors can the clubs close?

They don't own or run a single stadium.

The problem people on the commission would like nothing better then for the clubs to try and go it on their own.

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Really  
Years ago

You are kidding, right!

If the clubs stopped playing BSA would lose over $1M in 1 year. Considering this year they are losing money again. They would need to lay of numerous staff.

Church and country combined do not generate half of that money for BSA but get 5 out of 8 votes.

They are not ever going to move forward with association model because they cant afford it either.

Better still, the clubs should just pull out div 3 and below for summer.

PS BSA does not have an AGM, it has a governing council made up of 3 Metro, 3 Country and 2 Church reps who select the commission members.

These commission member choose staff and direct policy.

If the clubs pulled out, these people would be financially repsonsible and they would quickly make changes for the better of the sport.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

And where would the District Clubs play?

BSA would set up a new competition.

And good luck getting the district clubs to work together. That's why we're in this mess in the first place.

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

Is there any other sport that is organised in the same manner as BSA?

How differently is basketball run in other states?

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Really  
Years ago

No we are in this place because the 36es were costing the BASA $2M per year.

The clubs were kept in the dark as too the extent of the cost as they were not told abot it.

The 36ers board and admin of BASA set themselves up so that they could do as they pleased without full infrming the clubs.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Need to restructure the Junior year instead of the same old system that was built in the 1970's.

Need to look at the purpose of a 10 week summer season. It should look to promote and increase participation especially in juniors.

I propose that BSA divide its comp into a North / South over summer, and include regional centers.

North:
Centrals
North
Norwood
Riverland
Barossa
Spencer Gulf
West
eastern

South:
Sturt
Forrestville
South
woodville
Southern
Victor Harbor
Murray Bridge


Then in Winter championship season (Feb - August)
Country centers combine with adelaide teams and make an elite 8 div1 comp.


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Anonymous  
Years ago

maybe throw in a Limestone coast into the southern group

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Anonymous  
Years ago

There is an AGM but I do not know who actually gets to vote at AGM's - is it affiliated member individuals or organisations.

There is an issue with the structure of BSA. You have the operations headed up by Mark Hubbard - this is akin to the operations of a business. Next you have the Commission which is like a Board of Directors and the Council which is like the Shareholders. Unfortunately the Commission is made of up 4 independents, and 1 rep from each of District, Church and Country. There is no doubt that revenue is driven by the District arm of BSA as game revenue generated by Church and Country is retained within those organisations. Annual budgets and ongoing overseeing of performance of BSA, the operations, is controlled by the Commission. Even a blind man can see the issue here. Most of the revenue to maintain BSA is from District but they only have 1/7 of the votes to control changes in fees charged by BSA. (There is a small element made up of association fees which impact all) Council and Church vote on fee costs affecting District but not the other way around.

All members of the Commission are required in their position as Commission members to work in the best interests of basketball in total but you need to really question whether this can occur. I presume the independent members elected by the council should ensure this happens but once again the power is skewed to the Church and Country Associations.

Forget about tinkering around with types of competitions and pro/rel etc etc. The structure needs to be equitable to fairly represent each affiliated member group otherwise Church and Country will continue to ride on the coat tails of revenue generated by District. If these bodies deny that and see no benefit then I pose the question - "Why continue to be an affiliated member of BSA?"

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Really  
Years ago

Couldn't agree more anon.

Church are unwilling to pay anything more than court hire, and refrain from providing BSA with a database so they dont even pay affiliation fees.

The only reason clubs affiliate is because BSA run the conps, and to maintain affiliation with Basketabll Australia so that elite players can go to Nationals.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The reality is that Church and country see no real reason to be affiliated, and would be happy to go their own way.
However BSA (Basketball South Australia not Basketball Adelaide) has the resposibility of the sport in SA.
The council / commission structure is sound, the funding model is not.

For anything to change the Clubs must get on the same page, good luck with that.

Until that happens, it is better in the hands of independants.

The issues in the structure can be fixed in the voting process, all it takes is the majority of stakeholders thinking the same. Again good luck with that.

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