Anonymous
Years ago

16 National Championships

With the 16 Nationals Championships starting next week in Tamworth, will we see a new Champion crowned as in 18's or will the Vics & NSW be fighting for the trophy ?

Word out of Qld is that the South Boys team is stacked and the coach is very, very confident. The Vic Country team is also a very good one but can anyone challenge the NSW Metro Boys ?

What are the thoughts of the punters

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Tassie win it ALL!!!!!!!!

Go Tasmania

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Anon  
Years ago

Lol

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Anonymous  
Years ago

South aren't great - no bigs! The coach is confident... He's too busy trying to make himself look good

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Anonymous  
Years ago

South have athleticism, confidence and have some kids who can go, Robetaeu, the White boys as well as a little 3 point shooter who is like Jason Ralph from the 18s who is under Shane Heal in qld now

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Kama  
Years ago

Did anyone actually see the 16 Classic. Melbourne Tigers every game by 40+ and 6 of these boys are in the Vic Metro team.

Just like last year, Vic Metro.......then daylight!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Country girls off to a good start with a 39 point win over ACT .

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Country boys down by 12 to OLD nth after being in control for most of the game. Some bad shots & turnovers in the last 5 minutes cost them the game.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Qld south team women downed Vic Metro last night , how dare they ....

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Anonymous  
Years ago

SA metro girls thrashed WA country 112 to 46!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

SA Country girls down by 19 to Vic Metro. Had their chances, played the game with
only 8 players due to sickness.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Here come the excuses by SA Country!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Queensland have spent a lot of time and effort to rebuild their junior development program. The current results of the Qld South teams is just the start.

Meanwhile SA Metro continue to employ the same program run by the same underperforming staff and recycle the same under achieving coaches.

Resulting in the SA Metro boys just losing to New Zealand. How low to we have to fall before BSA will actually action some changes?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Anon 666. What are some of the changes you would like to see implemented to benefit SA basketball?

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Ariel  
Years ago

SOOO why are the girls performing so well this year if it is the 'program' that is underperforming?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

SA Country boys down by 8 to Vic Country.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Ariel look who they've played.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Why would you make changes ? Protected positions and program

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The girls are not performing Ariel my dear, the girls comp would be at the lowest standard in a decade where two or three sides are well matched and the others impossibly bad hence some of the scorelines. Metro had it's first test tonight and had its score doubled but bashed had previously the helpless Tassie and the hopeless Western country lasses. ACt and NT together couldn't beat an U12 boys district team and the vics are average in both the 16 and 18 girls age groups.

The standard here is deplorable at district level across the age groups in girls and Qld and NSW are light years ahead, because my dear, they improved their program, not sat on their hands and stayed with yesterday's song and dance team for mutes. No one to blame but the guru's who can do no wrong or bloody right, mores the pity.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

One game does not a tournament make?

What is it exactly that MAW and QLD have done so differently?

Does anyone know?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Change your coaches! Change the culture. Queensland South are enthusiastic, they enjoy playing basketball & the program head coach is on a mission to make it better! Look outside the Sturt & Forestville drones who have acted like zombies for the past decade! I would love to see the passion of David Spear or Mike Makay, who would draw blood for this state! We are a strong basketball State with a great tradition. Change or drown!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Both have been asked and neither wanted the head coaching job.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Offer the positions nationally and see who puts there hand up and how they would run our programs.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Which positions are you talking about?

If it the coaching positions it is advertised. If it is the head coach you cant advertise nationally without removing the incumbert, which you need a reason to do without summering from a wrongful dismissal suit.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Are we talking U16's or are we talking bigger picture - i.e. development of kids before they are handed over to the state coaches for nationals.

For longer term benefit it has to be the latter - maybe that is why some of the larger clubs are thinking how they can do that job better between themselves!

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anon  
Years ago

I have seen the development of these teams and have not seen any team orientated drills or games,prior to the state trainings.It is a very stagnent personal skills session which doesnt build on team values at all.Not the most exhillarating of sessions to observe.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Metro girls belted last night by a cricket score against NSW Metro. Country boys down 9 to Tassie, Metro boys down by 7 to QLD South today. Metro girls to play now & Country girls after that.

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SMA  
Years ago

Over the past few years reviews of Nationals Champs have bemoaned the lack of basic fundamental skills.

To many contested shots or poor shot selection; excessive or unforced turnovers; poor FT shooting, and a raft of defensive deficiencies.

While not all the talents of the 140 Athletes per Gender are reflected in the stats there are certainly are some gaps in the system.

Boys
28 26%+ from 3 (inc. 4 1/1 and 2 1/2)
53 40%+ from FG
28 75%+ from FT
22 around 4 TO a game

Overall Team FG% 37 Team 3G% 22 Team FT% 54

Girls
22 26%+ from 3 (inc. 1 1/1, 1 2/2, 4 1/2)
35 40%+ from field.
23 75%+ from the FT line
35 around 4 TO a game.

Overall Team FG% 33 Team 3G% 21 Team FT% 53

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anon  
Years ago

agree with anon #2 ,they play as individuals and not enough thought goes into the team concept .Theyre too worried about shooting 3s and driving on 3 guys?Is this a 16s thing,as its not prevalent in 14s as much.Or is it the concieved pressure from representation ball.Old cliche ,but there's no I in team.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Everyone! Don't let the truth get in the way of a good random story, by anonymous posters in a public forum. Now you may continue this humerous debate.

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Anon  
Years ago

Ok anonymous??? The truth then anonymous !

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Anon845, the only humour is your use of the language and disrespect for spelling, you must work for BSA with those skills.

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Bear  
Years ago

Finals look interesting... Vic Metro, Vic Country on top of their pools will have to fight off other states, but not NSW - in the boys section anyway!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

It appears the Glidden program for Girls is again showing its true colours... just another failure..
but the blame will go on the girls.. again

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Anonymous  
Years ago

You mean the program that has won a medal in under 16s or under 18s in each of the previous 4 years.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Won medals but meant nothing

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vic anon  
Years ago

With the constant splitting of states into metro/country or north/south medals mean less than in recent years. Just getting more girls/boys playing in the champs. Most enjoy the tourny but more often than not you play against sides who would be beaten by good domestic sides.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

vic anon,

You do know that the states have been split for over 20 years.

Not sure when you get the 'constant splitting of states into metro/country or north/south'

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showtime  
Years ago

#370077 you know you cant name minors. But tassie kid can play. Imo girls gold medal game will be qld sth vs nsw met. Boys nsw met(really want qld sth) vs vic met

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Abbb  
Years ago

NSW are out after losing to Tas.

Vic Country vs QLD South
Vic Metro vs Tasmania

Anyone care to offer opinions on how those games will go?

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Cattashack  
Years ago

What's happening in Tamworth today? Predictions for todays semis - boys and girls. Other observations. Those AIS coaches behaving themselves - upholding the dress code? A little more U16 nationals conversation, please hoop fans. It's gone a little quiet of late.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

When will SA wake up ! TIME FOR CHANGE...

SASSI and State Girls program, and i agree with post 370067

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SMA  
Years ago

Predictions
Kyle Clark - triple double - Zack Kilby and Dave Finua to own the paint and Zac Deveruax to dish 10 dimes as Tassie score a HUGE UPSET WIN and make the old medal game!!! Vs Vic County.

Obs
The level of skill and fitness, girls in particular, is hugely lacking.

One AIS coach had a shoe lace untied. They did stop straight away to tie it but I that is 2 dress code strikes!

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anon  
Years ago

how does sa metro girls win more tnan sa country in regular games,then beat them in classifications round,but now play off for a lower spot.Am I dumb?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yes

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Anonymous  
Years ago

From one anon to another, maybe playing off where metro and country girls are they shouldn't have been at the nationals in the first place.
It's not a tired program it's asleep.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yes you are dumb. SA metro playing for 5th, SA country playing for 7th

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anon  
Years ago

anon#2 ,your not dumb,the draw was screwed,it had n.t. boys playing for 5th after not winning a game and multiple teams playing off for more than one position?Cant be that hard to enter these results

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vic anon  
Years ago

Vic Metro to win both as predicted.

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Mmmmm  
Years ago

NSW Metro Boys lose to NSW Country by 2 in overtime. Consecutive 2 point losses in overtime in fact for the Metro Boys. Finish 8th - poorest result for a long time?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Country boys win (11th) - 1 better than last year. Metro boys win (9th) - 4 spots off last year. Country girls lose (8th)- 2 better than last year. Metro girls win (5th) - 4 better than last year. Thoughts????

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Congratulation to the SAM U16 Boys for winning all the games that did not matter.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Did that feel good Anon 283? What a pathetic snipe.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Vic Metro were just bigger but the skills were not as good as SA and NSW. Shooting % crap

Lucky for VIc they have big numbers to choose from. The NITP program just picks big kids but clearly teaching skills such as shooting are lacking. Same kids get all the focus just like the failed AIS program

We need to see the State programs overhauled with less funds going toward the development of few and more time going into development of sustainable programs.

There are kids in NITP that have been there for 5 years and whilst they are good kids, how far will they go and should the tax payers money continue to fund the development of a few. Surely this money would be better spent improving coaching for the majority and leaving schools to pick elite. This works in NSW whereby once they get to 18 and 20 and body size evens out, the skill level is far superior and they kick everyone!

Time for govt review of funding as we can not continue to put over $4m into elite development of the same kids for their entire junior campaign, when reality shows that you can not tell how good these kids will be until they have matured. Thank god the AIS have finally realized this!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

You do realise Australia just won a silver medal at a Junior World championship don't you. Kind of puts your ramblings into perspective.

Elite development will always involve subjective selection.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

As a parent from the Gliddon regime, he did an excellent job for my daughter, trainings, individuals, extra help and we didnt pay a cent. Not everyone is going to reach the top, but you want them to achieve their best whatever that may be. As for teams not performing at nationals, sometimes they don't gel and we do have a small talent pool compared to other states. Well done kids no matter where you finished, you are our top players and you should be proud.

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vic anon  
Years ago

The all the best players are at nationals. Vic Metro should have 2 teams. The second team would also do very well(top 8) but it would be disaster if it beat metro 1 side.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Is that why new metro have won the last three u18 titles?

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vic anon  
Years ago

I assume you mean NSW Metro. Their time is up. Vic and Qld Sth are now best.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

316, "leaving schools to pick elite", a rather peculiar statement. It doesn't make sense in isolation and isn't backed up by anymore information to reinforce your point and how this would happen.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So we won a silver at the juniors. The senior mens team has not progressed much in the last 40 years in international standards. In fact they have lost their only 2 Oceania Qualifying events during this time.

Good athletes with good coaching at club level will do just as well as those we are spending all this tax payer grants on.

We have a struggling health, welfare and education system and putting money into the development of so called elite athletes in the current manner at least for mens basketball is not providing dividend.

Maybe an ex premier can put a better spin on now she heads up BA

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Vic are best at 16s Can they carry through to 18 and 20? Qld South and Tassie are both doing well

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Vic are best at 16s Can they carry through to 18 and 20? Qld South and Tassie are both doing well

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Anonymous  
Years ago

To suggets the a World Junior Championship silver medal is meaningless renders your argument meaningless. If we are getting those results it is incredible. And this is where the AIS is targeting athletes and is in fact a worlds best standard.

Senior success is actually more difficult now as Yugoslavia is now 3 different countries that are all stong in basketball. And the USSR has changed into serveral different countries all of whom can have basketball success.

And our women have won the World Championship when 10 years ago we didnt even qualify, so that is actually a big change.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

#370352

let's see who coaches NSW Metro 18s now that the talent dropped away

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anonymous  
Years ago

the kids in the team that won silver at worlds are already talented most dont even attend AIS but are developed through there clubs playing seabl d league or big v and the ones that are there have hardly been there for 12 months and the girls dont do that well at worlds, maby they should scap the girls and just keep the boys there

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SMA  
Years ago

Tassie boys did well but stumbled in the semi for second yr running :(

Building to bigger an better.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The only team that didn't play as team was SA Metro Girls.
The only team that had not team and NO coach relationship on and off the court with his players was SA Metro.
GET RID OF THE UNSUCCESSFUL MISERABLE REGIME, Gliddon..

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Those SA Metro kids ( Girls ) were pretty good. They had no height and played very hard all week. Sometimes you have these years but the kids don't go there to be bad, they tried hard as did the coach

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I wouldn't worry so much about the girls coach. How about the boys coach?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

#370546 -I bet you are the typical arm chair critic who hides in forums pot shotting people.

Q: What have you done to contribute to the sport?
Q: Is your club doing anything to help promote players to the next level?

The real issue is the quality of players that come through from most clubs that State coaches have to choose from. I don't think Gliddon’s regime is weaker, the clubs are now dysfunctional committees that have no structure in place to develop players to play at the next level.

String local competition leads to a stronger pool of players to choose from.

We have done nothing to right the ship in the last 10 years and are now suffering the consequences.

Clubs need to take some responsibility and stop the blame game. Either put up or shut up.

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Phadreus  
Years ago

Could not agree more.

THese club sit around and want someone else to do all the work for them. And when their teams dont make top 4 at State Champs, when they fail at classics and when they sit on the botom of the table, somehow it is SASI'sfault for not developing their kids.

Then they go onto lay blame at successful clubs who are trying to do the right thing.

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SMA  
Years ago

Spot on about clubs!!

Rather than concentrating on up skilling kids there are to many coaches running around with NBA size play books, screaming at kids who don't execute!!

If a kid can dribble left handed then teaching then a dozen set plays is a total waste of time! If coaches put their ego and white board away and went back to basics then there would a much stronger base to work from.

Chucking crap at state programs when they aren't properly supported by clubs isnt a fair go.

Sort your own house out first.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The metro Girls did do a fair effort and of course did there best when on court. The fact they werent supported by the coach or given any confidence from the coach is what im on about. Trust me i was there..
maybe theres some substance from 370546.

I dont think hes mentioned anything about district teams, just structure and coach support...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Sure we will trust you. You were in the time outs. The pre games. The post games.

You were obviously there watching you kid and could easily have an axe to grind.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I was there too and I am not from SA. I saw them work very well vs Vic Country and I think we need to give credit to the head coach and the players

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The district girls program is shot. Weak and broken clubs like Woodville and souths etal bleed the ability of the game to be competitive which makes the stronger clubs think their players are fantastic because they thrash trash weekly. The elite program is also on the nose because it is out dated and out of touch. BSA need to trim the district clubs to six and Tighten control so that wins are merited against competitive teams weekly which will transfer to better national results.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I vote for more people to get involved in club programs and grow our resources at club level, rather than anonymous people coming on here and bagging 14/15 yr old girls or the volunteers that coach them.

Sheesh, it aint rocket science!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

*NSW Metro Boys lose to NSW Country by 2 in overtime. Consecutive 2 point losses in overtime in fact for the Metro Boys. Finish 8th - poorest result for a long time?*

IMO the coach lost both these games(NZ & NSW C) and was seen being a smart arse about playing for 7/8.....If he has any pride he should coached them to a better position with the talent and height he had, he should've been top 4.
Average coach with good side, shouldnt get a gig next year.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

No ones bagging the volunteers, i think it the paid guy

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Hogwash  
Years ago

So anon #370546,

Should we be getting rid of your U16 coaches as well? Considering that you club team obviously under achieved at classics on getting 9th with such obvious talent! (insert sarcasm here)

Its plainly obvious that you are the same parent who would only clap when you kid was on the court and give a derisive cheer when you kid got on the court.

Maybe less with the coach bashing, and more with the "how to be a bad parent" classes.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Not to rain on anyones parade, but Vic Country boys were off their game by about 20% in the game against SA Country after a huge effort against NSW Metro in a late second game the night before.

Just sayin'

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Anonymous  
Years ago

hogwash, are you the parent that has pulled out every trick in the book to promote your child?

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Hogwash  
Years ago

If I was sucking up to the coaches, I would be putting my name to it or doing it to the coach.

I just find it absurd that some parents teach their own kids that they are the only important person in any team, in a such blatantly manner, that everyone who saw it realises.

And I feel sorry for the kids, who's parents make it impossible for them to ever get picked in another rep team, because after their own behaviour, no coach in their right mind would ever select them again.

The team finished 5th, at worst, 1 spot below their best posible result. And just cause your kid didnt get on for 1 game the sky is falling and the coach is to blame.

Maybe look in the mirror and you might see the real reason.

I am happy that my own kids will never miss out on something because of me.

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hogwash61  
Years ago

Anon 370316 Assume you are talking about the Boys?
Were you there at the Championships? I don't know where you get your observations from. If the SA & NSW Metro teams skills were better than Vic Metro, then surely one (if not both) of these teams should have played off in the final??

As for the shooting %, check the website, Vic Metro boys had the best TFG shooting % (followed by NZ, who were a good team). Maybe that is why they won??

Wonder why Q-South made the final, their TFG shooting % was about the 6th best for the tournament and their 3P% & FT% was not great either? While good shooting helps, it's not all about the shooting, defence is an important part as well as "taking on" the game.

U16 Boys - Shooting %
TFG% 3P% FT%
ACT 28.25 11.68 49.41
New Zealand 43.46 11.99 56.56
Northern Territory 24.81 9.08 55.64
NSW Country 31.71 20.5 46.18
NSW Metro 35.71 16.14 54.04
Queensland North 34.2 10.94 62.3
Queensland South 37.4 17.5 50.59
SA Country 32.81 19.03 50.95
SA Metro 39.4 23.86 61.01
Tasmania 36.27 11.4 53.36
Vic Country 40.87 17.4 60.17
Vic Metro 46.74 12.23 56.06
WA Country 22.59 10.73 50.76
Wa Metro 38.14 26.03 56.98

Sounds like sour grapes to me. The vics have a huge talent pool, so you would expect them to be better, except for NSW. I think you should just applaud the Vics Development Program. To me it looks like it has been working well and has been for a long time.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Because only second rate athletes play basketball when they can't score a gig in the main game populations win out not thru development just numbers.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

*NSW Metro Boys lose to NSW Country by 2 in overtime. Consecutive 2 point losses in overtime in fact for the Metro Boys. Finish 8th - poorest result for a long time?*

IMO the coach lost both these games(NZ & NSW C) and was seen being a smart arse about playing for 7/8.....If he has any pride he should coached them to a better position with the talent and height he had, he should've been top 4.
Average coach with good side, shouldnt get a gig next year.



Anonymous, isn't that the same coach who won a gold medal his first time around then a bronze the year after? IMO I agree he probably should have finished higher however the coach can not put the ball in the basket. I was there watching both boys and girls and from what I was told the NSW Metro coach is close to the youngest coach at nationals and has achieved in a few years what most coaches (probably yourself included) have not achieved.

Maybe you should start supporting up and coming coaches and not discouraging them.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

unforetunately the coach in question
Sam who also works for BNSW has not been reappointed

They have put in a younger coach from Penrith who has only coached in u/14s at rep level & had 1 year as an A/C to Watkins last year.

B4 you all say thanks sam, this is not him. I dont think hes the greatest coach and definately think he stuffed up this year but definately think he got a raw deal, he won medals the previous 2 years and now cant get a gig not even as a sc. strange.

BNSW has gone for 2 young coacohes with the metro groups in 16s, opposite to country who have chosen 2 older coaches who havent been involved for a few years. could be an interesting year for NSW all round.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I did not know he has not been re appointed.

Who is selecting the sc? Because surely if Sam has won two medals why would he not get given another opportunity? Is this coach they have selected better than him?

Either way like you said it will be very interesting to see how NSW go. I have herd Vic M will not be as talented as previous years

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