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The_Champ33
Two years ago

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James Harden Traded to Houston Rockets

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8562868/sources-oklahoma-city-thunder-trade-james-harden-houston-rockets

I don't think anybody saw this move coming.
I personally don't like it.

What are your thoughts?

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Spursfan
Two years ago
14:10 28 Oct 12

Reply #384943

re: James Harden Traded to Houston Rockets

I was definitely not expecting that. I don't follow the Thunder but it wouldn't have been Brooks' decision to let Harden go - he was doing great things for that team.

In terms of immediate future though, the Thunder are better. Martin is just as good a scorer as Harden and Jeremy Lamb is really one to watch, fits in with their all-offense personnel, which seems to work.


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Whitey
Two years ago
14:44 28 Oct 12

Reply #384948

re: James Harden Traded to Houston Rockets

I see the advantage for both sides, the thunder has the 12th pick from this draft in lamb and some good picks, martin could be trade bait before the deadline. BUT the rockets grab a good scorer in harden, and a developing big in aldrich. Rockets starting 5 lin harden ? aldrich asik.


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Whitey
Two years ago
14:47 28 Oct 12

Reply #384949

re: James Harden Traded to Houston Rockets

Lets see the thunder send perkins and the picks to utah for milsap :)


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PlaymakerMo
Two years ago
15:17 28 Oct 12

Reply #384967

re: James Harden Traded to Houston Rockets

An extension couldn't be reached with Harden because he wanted an extra $4.5mil (total, not per year) than was offered, so the Thunder traded him. Had nothing to do with wanting to get rid of him. Pretty simple.

Good trade for both sides given the circumstances.


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Beantown
Two years ago
15:42 28 Oct 12

Reply #384968

re: James Harden Traded to Houston Rockets

Yeah, Presti shows his smarts again. Harden wouldn't take their best offer, so they traded him before anyone knew he was up for sale and got great value.

Kevin Martin is a better shooter than Harden and will largely cover his loss, so they aren't harming their ability to win this season.

Even better, those extra picks will allow OKC to keep renewing their supporting cast with quality players in the coming years. (Or use them to lure a quality FA like Millsap as Whitey suggested).

At the same time as he has set the team up for this year and the future, Presti has also sent a message to any future stars on OKC's roster: don't let your agent overprice you or you'll be traded to a bad team without a second thought!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:05 28 Oct 12

Reply #384971

re: James Harden Traded to Houston Rockets

morey is a dullard obvuiosuly but he's filled his teams with absolutely exceptional passers and decision makers at just about every spot - this team is going to make some sweet music this season and be an absolute must-watch on league pass for anyone who likes attractive basketball - omer asik's offense notwithstanding (though he's probably better on offense than he get's credit for). and kevin martin will cover his loss? seriously dude that's gotta be up there among well u know.. u realise that harden was essentially their point guatrd last season ahd that westbrook is a basketball moron? can't say i've ever been this hyped about a trade - absolutely love harden and just so happy that i don't have to root for a team owned by the completely EVIL clay bennett (and that other guy whose name escapes me)


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:23 28 Oct 12

Reply #384986

re: James Harden Traded to Houston Rockets

OKC got more for Harden than Orlando got for Dwight.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:43 28 Oct 12

Reply #384993

re: James Harden Traded to Houston Rockets

cos the kid runnign the magic is an idiot


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Beantown
Two years ago
17:15 28 Oct 12

Reply #385010

re: James Harden Traded to Houston Rockets

Anon, read what I said - Martin will LARGELY cover his loss. I realise Harden is a great player and can do things Martin can't, but in the end he wanted too much money, so Presti made a great trade that MINIMISED the immediate loss to the team and IMPROVED their ability to put talented and cheap complementary pieces around their core in future.

And yes, Houston has done well because they got Harden, who is a great player to build a young team around. But Presti sure squeezed a lot of picks (and a talented young player) out of them!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
17:25 28 Oct 12

Reply #385012

re: James Harden Traded to Houston Rockets

i'm sorry but he won't largely cover his loss at all - which is why the rockets had to throw in 4 first round picks, their recent lottery pick and take some of the OKC scraps - and its still a trade that most people think was daylight robbery..


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Kwest
Two years ago
19:37 28 Oct 12

Reply #385033

re: James Harden Traded to Houston Rockets

Bill Simmons picked this a few weeks ago.. It makes sense. There's no way OKC should have thrown the max at Harden


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:38 28 Oct 12

Reply #385040

re: James Harden Traded to Houston Rockets

Simmons just tweeted that he fully supports Harden refusing to take 4 yrs 52-54m from OKC. Could get 5 years 75-80m from Houston (no state tax). It's no contest.

It's not just about the 5th year!


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Beantown
Two years ago
22:09 28 Oct 12

Reply #385054

re: James Harden Traded to Houston Rockets

Its not daylight robbery when the alternative is losing the guy for nothing or 15c on the dollar once the rest of the NBA gets word that Harden won't resign!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:37 28 Oct 12

Reply #385059

re: James Harden Traded to Houston Rockets

The extra 4.5 mil is actually more like 20 mil because Texas doesn't have state taxes!


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Jimbob
Two years ago
23:03 28 Oct 12

Reply #385060

re: James Harden Traded to Houston Rockets

Seems crazy to me that harden would leave when there's a good chance okc could win the title this year and he's already on huge amounts of money, what is the extra few mill going to matter?!

Sign of the times, money>loyalty or championships.


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Beantown
Two years ago
23:21 28 Oct 12

Reply #385062

re: James Harden Traded to Houston Rockets

I agree Jimbob, I'd have taken Presti's offer knowing I'd be playing on the most exciting young team in basketball for the next four years minimum, with a genuine chance to win multiple titles.

Will be interesting to see if Harden ends up regretting his decision to push for more money.


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SMA
Two years ago
23:41 28 Oct 12

Reply #385067

re: James Harden Traded to Houston Rockets

Presti has another trade idea in the works.

They've got most of the puzzle pieces to challenge but must be thinking of getting something extra to top the West.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
07:25 29 Oct 12

Reply #385072

re: James Harden Traded to Houston Rockets

Harden won't regret anything. He is the man now with Lin as his sidekick plus they have cap space for another max contract. Morey hit the jackpot with this trade after so much disappointment. The Rockets are going to be real dangerous in the coming seasons.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:47 29 Oct 12

Reply #385086

re: James Harden Traded to Houston Rockets

I saw this coming because its been building for like the past 4 weeks.

James Harden has been linked with other clubs ever since Serge Ibake and long term massive $$$ contract.

I have hard rumours over the past several months of Harden going to the Suns and Lakers.

I even heard that Harden was going to be the replacement for Kobe


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Whitey
Two years ago
09:49 29 Oct 12

Reply #385087

re: James Harden Traded to Houston Rockets

@anon rockets dangerous in the coming seasons. 45 million on lin, harden and asik? Come on. Plus they gave away lamb and a heap of picks.

They would have been better off, trading away kmart for high picks and rebuilding around lamb, royce white and the upcoming picks.


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AK-47
Two years ago
11:22 29 Oct 12

Reply #385094

re: James Harden Traded to Houston Rockets

think James Harden is worth a max contract, just not to OKC. In my opinion James Harden is currently the third best shooting guard in the league behind Kobe and Wade. Kobe will retire soon and Wade's body is declining fast. Before we know it Harden will be the best 2 in the NBA and I think that warrants a max contract. However, he'd still be the third best player at the Thunder and you can't be paying the max for the third best player on a team and have Perkins and Ibaka signed to big contracts as well. Zero cap flexibility if they gave in to Harden.

Even though I believe Houston won big on this deal, I really like what OKC have done. Its been reported that Harden knocked back a 4 year 55 million dollar deal which is 4.5 mill below the max. If you can't sacrifice 4.5 mill on a 55 million dollar contract to be part of something great that is going to be in the hunt for a championship every year for the best part of the next 10 years then you should be shipped. OKC didn't mess around and pulled the pin straight away, I like it.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:31 29 Oct 12

Reply #385097

re: James Harden Traded to Houston Rockets

Everyone saying the OKC got robbed.

I just dont see it.

Yes Harden is a great young talent, but Martin is a tried and tested 2 guard, who will fill the the vacancy left by Harden. OKC will be no worse off without Harden, and they knew that - hence why they didnt throw the max deal at him.

Stats comparison:

PPG/2FG%/3FG%/RPG/APG/TOPG/SPG

Harden Career over 220 Games - 23 years old

12.7/44%/37%/3.4/2.5/1.6/1.0

Martin Career over 475 Games - 29 Years Old

18.4/44%/38%/3.5/2.1/1.8/0.9

Keep in mind that Harden has been also playing on the significantly better team and having KD and Westbrook to roll with, and take the pressure of him. OKC over the past 2 season have gone 102/46.

Houston on the other hand have been woeful, compiling a 77/71 record over that same period. Luis Scola was the only helping hand for Martin, and lets be honest, thats not really the same kind of KD or RW distraction.






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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:09 29 Oct 12

Reply #385108

re: James Harden Traded to Houston Rockets

Wow he gets to play with Lin in Houston. Maybe he take his career advice from Dewite "no rings" Coward or Lebron lmao


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:49 29 Oct 12

Reply #385120

re: James Harden Traded to Houston Rockets

i wood love to c amare trade 2 lakers 4 gasol


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Anonymous
Two years ago
18:54 30 Oct 12

Reply #385294

re: James Harden Traded to Houston Rockets

this trade has been a good litmus test for all the NBA writers - basically all the smart ones (ie zach lowe, thorpe) think it was great for the rockets whilst all the cretins - eg. mannix, adande - think it was good for the thunder..


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Beantown
Two years ago
21:17 31 Oct 12

Reply #385428

re: James Harden Traded to Houston Rockets

Isn't it just possible that it was a good trade for BOTH teams?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
14:50 1 Nov 12

Reply #385493

re: James Harden Traded to Houston Rockets

So James Harden just had his first game with the Rockets and had 37 points and 12 assists off a shooting clip of 14/25. WOW


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