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Spursfan
Two years ago

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Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

Where do we think Cedric Jackson sits in the list of all time best NBL players?

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Ingles13
Two years ago
19:22 10 Nov 12

Reply #386755

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

Best player in the league atm. Hard to gauge all time though after a year and 6 games


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Spursfan
Two years ago
19:25 10 Nov 12

Reply #386756

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

I guess there are many ways to interpret 'best player' debates. I know that's not enough in terms of career production, but a season and a bit is still enough to see skill and dominance level, that's what I'm getting at.


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Mystro
Two years ago
19:27 10 Nov 12

Reply #386757

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

He seems to find a good balance between getting his team mates involved and taking over the game. Even tougher to guard with his outside shot falling.
Should be playing backup PG in the NBA IMO but stoked to have him playing for the Breakers again.


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xztatik
Two years ago
19:31 10 Nov 12

Reply #386758

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

It's tough to compare short-term imports to guys like Brett Maher unless you completely throw longevity out the window.

Best import is a better debate and he's probably the 3rd best I've seen behind Burgess and Powell (keeping in mind I only started watching at the Farley/Rychart era) and I know some didn't rate Powell as highly as me.


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Mystro
Two years ago
19:37 10 Nov 12

Reply #386762

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

Powell scored with ease but I don't believe was as well rounded as Jackson. Kirk Penney would have to be up there, some of the shit he threw up with D draped all over him that went in was just ridiculous.


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xztatik
Two years ago
19:46 10 Nov 12

Reply #386766

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

Suss this NZ guy ^

Good call though. Sammy-Mack around the same time as Powell was crazy good too.


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Tbone
Two years ago
20:39 10 Nov 12

Reply #386773

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson


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Tbone
Two years ago
20:43 10 Nov 12

Reply #386775

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

At best he is the best player over the past 12 months. There is no way he is in the top 6 players ever. He would not even be the best ever in the last 6 years.


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Mystro
Two years ago
21:34 10 Nov 12

Reply #386780

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

The best player in the last 6 years would be Penney.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:00 10 Nov 12

Reply #386785

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

You can't be serious


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Anonymous
Two years ago
00:10 11 Nov 12

Reply #386791

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

Wouldn't be close to Top 10.

Leroy Loggins
Al Green
Cal Bruton
Ricky Grace
Rocky Smith
James Crawford
Dwayne McClain
Scott Fisher
Melvin Thomas
Robert Rose
Derek Rucker
Mark Davis
Terry Dozier
Tiny Pinder
Darnell Mee
Leon Trimmingham
Darryl McDonald
Lanard Copeland
Acie Earl
Ebi Ere
Rashad Tucker
Kevin Freeman
Julius Hodge

To be honest with some pretty big holes in his game I'm surprised Cedric Jackson even played a season in the NBA.





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xztatik
Two years ago
01:26 11 Nov 12

Reply #386797

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

"pretty big holes"?

Average outside shooter. What else?


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Ingles13
Two years ago
02:48 11 Nov 12

Reply #386799

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

You're all forgetting the dude that carried the Melbourne Tigers over the cap rorting Brisbane Bullets and arrogant Sydney Kings in 08, SEAN LAMPLEY!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
07:50 11 Nov 12

Reply #386807

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

Acie Earl ?!!? Good list up til that point ....


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Anonymous
Two years ago
08:43 11 Nov 12

Reply #386812

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

At least the list proved that Jackson's not on that list. Maybe in a few seasons he might make the top 50?


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Tickle
Two years ago
10:26 11 Nov 12

Reply #386824

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

Perhaps the NBL will do a top 50 players list in 2029.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:07 11 Nov 12

Reply #386832

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

lamply, steve woodberry, mike mitchell, adrian branch, doug overton to name a few others


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paul
Two years ago
11:44 11 Nov 12

Reply #386837

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

There almost needs to be two different lists, one for longevity + talent, and then one just for talent.

Guys like Doug Overton, Rocky Smith, Chris Williams and Cedric Jackson would be right up there on that second list but couldnt possible make the first.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:13 11 Nov 12

Reply #386848

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

Acie Earl averaged 21.6ppg (5th in the league), 12.5rpg (3rd in the league) and 2.9bpg (2nd in the league) in his one season with the Kings in 98/99.

Chris Williams also tore it up in his one season with the Kings in 02/03 including winning league MVP, Finals MVP and leading the Kings to their first ever championship.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:17 11 Nov 12

Reply #386849

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

Chris Williams was better than Acie Earl.

Chris Williams stats:

2003 MVP

Averaged 24 pts @ 54%, 12 rebounds, 4 assists

Also finished top 5 in blocks per game & steals per game.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:37 11 Nov 12

Reply #386850

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

Williams was probably better but the big difference was Earl played on a rubbish Kings team even without Williams that 03 Kings team still would've been a good playoff team with Heal, Nielsen, Kavossy Franklin etc.


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paul
Two years ago
16:15 11 Nov 12

Reply #386867

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

Id rate Williams number two behind Gaze on pure talent alone.


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xztatik
Two years ago
16:26 11 Nov 12

Reply #386868

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

Burgess in 05: 20ppg 14rpg 2bpg


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:30 11 Nov 12

Reply #386871

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

Loggins was a lot better player than Chris Williams.


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BigAds
Two years ago
16:33 11 Nov 12

Reply #386874

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

Stephen Jackson get a look in? Not the best NBL import ever but his record since hasn't been too bad.


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Spursfan
Two years ago
16:46 11 Nov 12

Reply #386878

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

How about assessing the players on their level of dominance/effect they have on every possession in this thread?

I'm pretty sure not all of you have watched NBL from the start, so don't even start on that best of all time business.

I haven't even been watching NBL for 10 years, but I can't see many guys being more effective on every possession (both ends of the floor) than Cedric Jackson.


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Spursfan
Two years ago
16:51 11 Nov 12

Reply #386879

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

and btw anonymous #791, Jackson has handle, quickness, the ability to penetrate, can pass and he can defend. The NBA isn't all about every guy being able to drop 30 in a game, Cedric is the perfect role player for a team that needs his skills because what he does well, he does very well.


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paul
Two years ago
16:56 11 Nov 12

Reply #386880

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

In roughly date order, this would be my top 10 at short notice:

R Smith, Loggins, Gaze, Grace, Overton, Rose, Williams, Anstey, Penney, Jackson


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fstos
Two years ago
17:12 11 Nov 12

Reply #386884

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

Mike Jones always left out of discussions. May not be top 10 but very close.
Can't believe anon had Tucker on his list....

If Jackson leads the Breakers to another title this season with what esentially is a team made up at present of an out of form Abercrombie,a good 5 man and a bunch of good role players, he deserves to be mentioned with many of the greats.


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paul
Two years ago
17:36 11 Nov 12

Reply #386888

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

You could put it like that or you could say seven current or former internationals, four of whom have been amongst major stat leaders at WC or Olympics!

It's so hard to do best of all time, there have just been so many great players over the years, to actually work out who is better when they have all been amongst the elite of the league in their time is impossible.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
18:05 11 Nov 12

Reply #386890

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

Tucker's #2 in NBL history for triple-doubles.

A lot of people forget how good he was in Perth.


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paul
Two years ago
18:20 11 Nov 12

Reply #386893

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

If Hodge and Tucker had never returned after their first 1/2 season stints they would still be held as revered players, no doubt.


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Tyrell
Two years ago
18:35 11 Nov 12

Reply #386896

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

A lot of people forgetting Bobby Brannen- big man who could step out and hit the three ball! Also, lampley? Not that great or dominant!


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xztatik
Two years ago
19:50 11 Nov 12

Reply #386907

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

Lampley was probably better than Brannen.

Tucker averaged 17/10/7 in his first year.


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xztatik
Two years ago
19:51 11 Nov 12

Reply #386908

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

Gonna mention Brian Wethers and Willie Farley just because I think they were better than some of the other names being thrown around.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:56 11 Nov 12

Reply #386909

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

Gaze, Loggins, Rocky Smith, Darryl McDonald, Dwayne McLaine, James Crawford, Rob Rose, Al Green, Cal Bruton, ricky Grace, Scott Fisher, Lanard Copeland, Mark Davis, Chris williams, Tim Dillon, Doug Overton, Terry Dozier, K. Penney, James Bullock, Paul Stanley, Crdric Jackson.....sits well with that group


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Richard
Two years ago
20:23 11 Nov 12

Reply #386913

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

Jackson over the likes of Crawford, Bradtke, Vlahov, Fisher?

Gimme a break


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:40 11 Nov 12

Reply #386916

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

Jackson would be ahead of those guys, not by much but he is close to the leading player in the league at both ends of the court. Not many in the history of the league can claim that. Loggins, Anstey, maybe DMac.


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fstos
Two years ago
20:49 11 Nov 12

Reply #386919

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

Grace


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fstos
Two years ago
20:49 11 Nov 12

Reply #386920

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

Grace


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fstos
Two years ago
20:49 11 Nov 12

Reply #386922

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

Rose


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Tyrell
Two years ago
20:51 11 Nov 12

Reply #386923

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

Lampley was nowhere near as good as Brannen in this league. In terms of comparing Jackson to Fisher/Crawford etc- I don't think it's fair, different positions. Jackson v Grace is a good comparison- who wins that?


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BigAds
Two years ago
20:55 11 Nov 12

Reply #386926

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

more name dropping:

Everitt Stephens, Bobby Locke, Butch Hays.


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xztatik
Two years ago
20:56 11 Nov 12

Reply #386927

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

Jackson's 2012 numbers translated to a 48 minute game:

19.9ppg 5.9rpg 9.5apg 3.2spg @48.9%

Right up there with the best statistically, if we're ignoring longevity.


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BigAds
Two years ago
21:00 11 Nov 12

Reply #386928

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

I recall Locke dropping 50 points just a day after stepping off the plane. Also briefly forgot "Jumping" Joe Hurst (a MVP).

C


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paul
Two years ago
22:10 11 Nov 12

Reply #386945

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

I think were starting to go well beyond best players ever with some of the names being trotted out!


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Ingles13
Two years ago
00:34 12 Nov 12

Reply #386968

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

Lampley carried the 08 tigers to a championship when kings were hefty favourites


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The_Champ33
Two years ago
09:34 12 Nov 12

Reply #387013

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

Leroy Loggins is the greatest import of all time and can not be broken for a long time. The bloke didn't have many weaknesses, stuck with our league and played well into his 40's still keeping up with the game.

I miss the days of the past imports who stuck with our league and made a life Down Under.

Now they chase the dollar to send back to the family back home to the USA.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:08 13 Nov 12

Reply #387316

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

kevin ratzsch


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mike
Last year
15:27 8 Jan 13

Reply #397384

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

chris jent
adonis jordan


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Anonymous
Last year
16:00 8 Jan 13

Reply #397394

re: Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

"Lampley carried the 08 tigers to a championship"

Lampley was probably Melbourne's fourth best player in the GF series, averaging 12ppg at 33%. The only thing he carried was his ego!


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