Spursfan
Years ago

Best NBL players ever debate - Cedric Jackson

Where do we think Cedric Jackson sits in the list of all time best NBL players?

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Ingles13  
Years ago

Best player in the league atm. Hard to gauge all time though after a year and 6 games

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Spursfan  
Years ago

I guess there are many ways to interpret 'best player' debates. I know that's not enough in terms of career production, but a season and a bit is still enough to see skill and dominance level, that's what I'm getting at.

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Mystro  
Years ago

He seems to find a good balance between getting his team mates involved and taking over the game. Even tougher to guard with his outside shot falling.
Should be playing backup PG in the NBA IMO but stoked to have him playing for the Breakers again.

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xztatik  
Years ago

It's tough to compare short-term imports to guys like Brett Maher unless you completely throw longevity out the window.

Best import is a better debate and he's probably the 3rd best I've seen behind Burgess and Powell (keeping in mind I only started watching at the Farley/Rychart era) and I know some didn't rate Powell as highly as me.

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Mystro  
Years ago

Powell scored with ease but I don't believe was as well rounded as Jackson. Kirk Penney would have to be up there, some of the shit he threw up with D draped all over him that went in was just ridiculous.

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xztatik  
Years ago

Suss this NZ guy ^

Good call though. Sammy-Mack around the same time as Powell was crazy good too.

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Tbone  
Years ago

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Tbone  
Years ago

At best he is the best player over the past 12 months. There is no way he is in the top 6 players ever. He would not even be the best ever in the last 6 years.

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Mystro  
Years ago

The best player in the last 6 years would be Penney.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

You can't be serious

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Wouldn't be close to Top 10.

Leroy Loggins
Al Green
Cal Bruton
Ricky Grace
Rocky Smith
James Crawford
Dwayne McClain
Scott Fisher
Melvin Thomas
Robert Rose
Derek Rucker
Mark Davis
Terry Dozier
Tiny Pinder
Darnell Mee
Leon Trimmingham
Darryl McDonald
Lanard Copeland
Acie Earl
Ebi Ere
Rashad Tucker
Kevin Freeman
Julius Hodge

To be honest with some pretty big holes in his game I'm surprised Cedric Jackson even played a season in the NBA.




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xztatik  
Years ago

"pretty big holes"?

Average outside shooter. What else?

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Ingles13  
Years ago

You're all forgetting the dude that carried the Melbourne Tigers over the cap rorting Brisbane Bullets and arrogant Sydney Kings in 08, SEAN LAMPLEY!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Acie Earl ?!!? Good list up til that point ....

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Anonymous  
Years ago

At least the list proved that Jackson's not on that list. Maybe in a few seasons he might make the top 50?

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Tickle  
Years ago

Perhaps the NBL will do a top 50 players list in 2029.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

lamply, steve woodberry, mike mitchell, adrian branch, doug overton to name a few others

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paul  
Years ago

There almost needs to be two different lists, one for longevity + talent, and then one just for talent.

Guys like Doug Overton, Rocky Smith, Chris Williams and Cedric Jackson would be right up there on that second list but couldnt possible make the first.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Acie Earl averaged 21.6ppg (5th in the league), 12.5rpg (3rd in the league) and 2.9bpg (2nd in the league) in his one season with the Kings in 98/99.

Chris Williams also tore it up in his one season with the Kings in 02/03 including winning league MVP, Finals MVP and leading the Kings to their first ever championship.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Chris Williams was better than Acie Earl.

Chris Williams stats:

2003 MVP

Averaged 24 pts @ 54%, 12 rebounds, 4 assists

Also finished top 5 in blocks per game & steals per game.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Williams was probably better but the big difference was Earl played on a rubbish Kings team even without Williams that 03 Kings team still would've been a good playoff team with Heal, Nielsen, Kavossy Franklin etc.

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paul  
Years ago

Id rate Williams number two behind Gaze on pure talent alone.

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xztatik  
Years ago

Burgess in 05: 20ppg 14rpg 2bpg

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Loggins was a lot better player than Chris Williams.

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BigAds  
Years ago

Stephen Jackson get a look in? Not the best NBL import ever but his record since hasn't been too bad.

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Spursfan  
Years ago

How about assessing the players on their level of dominance/effect they have on every possession in this thread?

I'm pretty sure not all of you have watched NBL from the start, so don't even start on that best of all time business.

I haven't even been watching NBL for 10 years, but I can't see many guys being more effective on every possession (both ends of the floor) than Cedric Jackson.

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Spursfan  
Years ago

and btw anonymous #791, Jackson has handle, quickness, the ability to penetrate, can pass and he can defend. The NBA isn't all about every guy being able to drop 30 in a game, Cedric is the perfect role player for a team that needs his skills because what he does well, he does very well.

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paul  
Years ago

In roughly date order, this would be my top 10 at short notice:

R Smith, Loggins, Gaze, Grace, Overton, Rose, Williams, Anstey, Penney, Jackson

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fstos  
Years ago

Mike Jones always left out of discussions. May not be top 10 but very close.
Can't believe anon had Tucker on his list....

If Jackson leads the Breakers to another title this season with what esentially is a team made up at present of an out of form Abercrombie,a good 5 man and a bunch of good role players, he deserves to be mentioned with many of the greats.

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paul  
Years ago

You could put it like that or you could say seven current or former internationals, four of whom have been amongst major stat leaders at WC or Olympics!

It's so hard to do best of all time, there have just been so many great players over the years, to actually work out who is better when they have all been amongst the elite of the league in their time is impossible.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Tucker's #2 in NBL history for triple-doubles.

A lot of people forget how good he was in Perth.

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paul  
Years ago

If Hodge and Tucker had never returned after their first 1/2 season stints they would still be held as revered players, no doubt.

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Tyrell  
Years ago

A lot of people forgetting Bobby Brannen- big man who could step out and hit the three ball! Also, lampley? Not that great or dominant!

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xztatik  
Years ago

Lampley was probably better than Brannen.

Tucker averaged 17/10/7 in his first year.

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xztatik  
Years ago

Gonna mention Brian Wethers and Willie Farley just because I think they were better than some of the other names being thrown around.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Gaze, Loggins, Rocky Smith, Darryl McDonald, Dwayne McLaine, James Crawford, Rob Rose, Al Green, Cal Bruton, ricky Grace, Scott Fisher, Lanard Copeland, Mark Davis, Chris williams, Tim Dillon, Doug Overton, Terry Dozier, K. Penney, James Bullock, Paul Stanley, Crdric Jackson.....sits well with that group

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Richard  
Years ago

Jackson over the likes of Crawford, Bradtke, Vlahov, Fisher?

Gimme a break

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Jackson would be ahead of those guys, not by much but he is close to the leading player in the league at both ends of the court. Not many in the history of the league can claim that. Loggins, Anstey, maybe DMac.

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fstos  
Years ago

Grace

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fstos  
Years ago

Grace

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fstos  
Years ago

Rose

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Tyrell  
Years ago

Lampley was nowhere near as good as Brannen in this league. In terms of comparing Jackson to Fisher/Crawford etc- I don't think it's fair, different positions. Jackson v Grace is a good comparison- who wins that?

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BigAds  
Years ago

more name dropping:

Everitt Stephens, Bobby Locke, Butch Hays.

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xztatik  
Years ago

Jackson's 2012 numbers translated to a 48 minute game:

19.9ppg 5.9rpg 9.5apg 3.2spg @48.9%

Right up there with the best statistically, if we're ignoring longevity.

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BigAds  
Years ago

I recall Locke dropping 50 points just a day after stepping off the plane. Also briefly forgot "Jumping" Joe Hurst (a MVP).

C

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paul  
Years ago

I think were starting to go well beyond best players ever with some of the names being trotted out!

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Ingles13  
Years ago

Lampley carried the 08 tigers to a championship when kings were hefty favourites

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The_Champ33  
Years ago

Leroy Loggins is the greatest import of all time and can not be broken for a long time. The bloke didn't have many weaknesses, stuck with our league and played well into his 40's still keeping up with the game.

I miss the days of the past imports who stuck with our league and made a life Down Under.

Now they chase the dollar to send back to the family back home to the USA.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

kevin ratzsch

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mike  
Years ago

chris jent
adonis jordan

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"Lampley carried the 08 tigers to a championship"

Lampley was probably Melbourne's fourth best player in the GF series, averaging 12ppg at 33%. The only thing he carried was his ego!

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