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Mystro
Two years ago

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Breakers Vs Crocs Vector Arena

3rd time these 2 teams have met this season with NZ narrowly winning at home in game 1 due to some Vukona/Jackson brilliance and then rolled over Townsville in Townsville again behind the skill of Jackson in game 2 last week. The Breakers are unbeaten since Perth pulled their pants down and smacked their bums in round 1 while the Crocs are 0-8 and desperate to get a W.
They match up well everywhere except inside the paint with Pledger and Hudson getting limited resistance from Allen and Hinder.

Crocs will be better than last week but NZ by 9

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Mick
Two years ago
07:29 15 Nov 12

Reply #387593

re: Breakers Vs Crocs Vector Arena

Crocs should play better, but yeah, will just be outclassed. Breakers by 9 sounds right.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
07:55 15 Nov 12

Reply #387595

re: Breakers Vs Crocs Vector Arena

Crocs by 4 - everything will finally click


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Mystro
Two years ago
11:00 15 Nov 12

Reply #387622

re: Breakers Vs Crocs Vector Arena

I think that if NZ or anyone take them lightly they will be in for a surprise. I doubt they are going to through the season without a win, wonder who's scalp will be the first to fall?


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Mick
Two years ago
11:36 15 Nov 12

Reply #387636

re: Breakers Vs Crocs Vector Arena

Yeah, I think I've said it before, but the win when (if?) it comes could come against anybody. They have lost close games to great teams and been blown out by scrubs.

They make it so hard to win because they don't really have any cerebral guys on the team. Last year you at least had Gill and Schenscher who played with their heads and were always looking to make the right play for the right situation depending on the clock and scoreline. eg. Slow it down? Speed it up? Go yourself? Get that guy involved? Take a charge? Get in that guy's head?

Everyone on this team doesn't really think about stuff like that. It's a really low IQ basketball team. One or two thinking-man's decisions in key moments of each of their losses and they could really be sitting at 0.500 or close to it. But you can't really teach smarts.

Gary Ervin - a "takeover" player, not really a thinker.

Peter Crawford - a "takeover" player, not really a thinker. Berates his teammates for failing without teaching them the right way to do something. Not a leader.

Todd Blanchfield - not a thinker, but efficient as hell

Jacob Holmes - one of the dumbest offensive basketball players I have ever seen, but a phenomenal rebounder.

Ben Allen - one of the dumbest basketball players I have ever seen.

Russell Hinder - does lots of dumb stuff for a captain. Not a good leader despite his passion.

Michael Cedar - horribly inefficient scorer. Never knows what play to make.

Chris Cedar - horribly inefficient scoring-wise but makes some nice passes.

Mitch Norton - smart but young.

Larry Abney - Very dumb. Rarely passes. Always hesitant, but shoots anyway. Misses.


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Mystro
Two years ago
11:51 15 Nov 12

Reply #387643

re: Breakers Vs Crocs Vector Arena

May have better balance if they had Gill and Ervin running the show and replaced the big Ginge with someone who could play Centre


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Isaac
Two years ago
13:55 15 Nov 12

Reply #387669

re: Breakers Vs Crocs Vector Arena

That's harsh on Holmes. He's a smart player, I think he just likes to back his own shot too often when it's not there. Maybe more ego and instinct than "dumb".

If you get a chance sometime, watch him at ABL level where he is off the leash and allowed to put up 20+ shots. Might not always score at a good clip, but he amasses stats and does it fairly tirelessly.

(Apparently, despite not looking like the type and being a slow starter, he's the one that wins running drills by outlasting others.)


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Mick
Two years ago
16:41 15 Nov 12

Reply #387710

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Don't get me wrong, his nose for the ball is rivalled only in this league by maybe Mika Vukona, but he just shoots some terrible shots, completely at odds with the flow of the offense. I absolutely love what he brings the team off the ball, and he carried us last season for long stretches. It's just when everything is going wrong, and everyone is taking bad shots, he seems to be taking the most...

He could still get the same amount of points per game if he just reigned it in a bit, shot a couple of times less each night and focused on getting quality looks, especially more at the rim.


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Mystro
Two years ago
16:45 15 Nov 12

Reply #387712

re: Breakers Vs Crocs Vector Arena

If Holmes jumpshot looked like Vukona's he prob wouldn't cop nearly as much shit. Vukona is far more aggressive though, doesn't settle for a jumpshot unless it is wide open. Mika will try take it all the way for a layup, Holmes will chuck something up quickly not matter how early it is in the offense. I agree with Isaac on the ego/instinct call, he takes a lot on his shoulders and plays hard and wants to win. Sometimes he probably tries to do do much and rates his own shot higher than his shooting percentage suggests lol. At least he doesn't lay down.


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Mystro
Two years ago
18:57 16 Nov 12

Reply #387888

re: Breakers Vs Crocs Vector Arena

Breakers win by blow out in front of a decent crowd. Pledger had his way inside and Jackson wasn't bothered. Tai Ebster fluffed the dunk and Te Rangi with the 3 ball the end


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Mystro
Two years ago
18:58 16 Nov 12

Reply #387889

re: Breakers Vs Crocs Vector Arena

*Webster

trunking and tryping


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X
Two years ago
19:25 16 Nov 12

Reply #387891

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I don't even understand how NZ -11.5 was paying $1.87 but I sure appreciate it. This was inevitable.


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Sam
Two years ago
08:58 17 Nov 12

Reply #387956

re: Breakers Vs Crocs Vector Arena

Breakers for the three peat?
We're now on a 7 game winning streak and have moved on from out very poor start to the season that only included 1 loss.

Will be interesting to see how we perform next week against arch rivals Perth, not that either team needs any motivation to perform against each other, but both will have plenty with our boys wanting to avenge the round 1 loss and perth wanting to snap their losing streak. Can't wait.


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Isaac
Two years ago
09:21 17 Nov 12

Reply #387961

re: Breakers Vs Crocs Vector Arena

Funny how they can go from champs to under the radar based on one loss.


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Mystro
Two years ago
09:34 17 Nov 12

Reply #387965

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everyone writes them off every off season, "oh they lost Penney, they're stuffed", "without Wilkinson they don't have the firepower" lmao.
Then we get our pants pulled down by Perth which happens at least once a season anyway and the cries get louder.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:44 17 Nov 12

Reply #387966

re: Breakers Vs Crocs Vector Arena

Worst crocks team ever.
Top score by Abney with 11. That really highlights there ineptitude.


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Mick
Two years ago
10:54 17 Nov 12

Reply #387968

re: Breakers Vs Crocs Vector Arena

Obviously worst Suns/Crocs ever, but how do they rank all time with the legendary stinkers?

Even those terrible early 90s Townsville Suns teams could always count on a win against Geelong or Hobart...

What would it take for this Crocs team to join the discussion of "worst NBL season of all time"? Or are they already in that discussion?


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Slopernator
Two years ago
11:20 17 Nov 12

Reply #387970

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Hard to rank teams as "worst ever" when the nature of the competition changes so frequently. Bad though this Crocs team may be, it certainly doesn't rank with some of the stinker '90's teams that were around when the talent pool was stretched far more than it is currently.


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Mick
Two years ago
12:07 17 Nov 12

Reply #387976

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What about purely from a statistical point of view?

Surely there aren't too many teams that have shot the ball at such a bad clip or shown such a lacklustre effort on the boards...

Hard to imagine any team going a whole season shooting as bad as these Crocs are...


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Anonymous
Two years ago
15:08 17 Nov 12

Reply #387997

re: Breakers Vs Crocs Vector Arena

Didn't Geelong go winless one season?

Not even halfway through the season yet so a long way to go before this Crocs team is spoken about in the worst of all-time category.


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Mystro
Two years ago
18:16 17 Nov 12

Reply #388019

re: Breakers Vs Crocs Vector Arena

Feel bad for Ervin, he play's his ass off as does Blanchfield and Crawford.


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Isaac
Two years ago
21:48 17 Nov 12

Reply #388045

re: Breakers Vs Crocs Vector Arena

Or was it St Kilda? Someone went 0-24.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
00:46 18 Nov 12

Reply #388059

re: Breakers Vs Crocs Vector Arena

Geelong were the first team to have a winless season going 0-24 in '88.


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