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Tutes
Two years ago

#30127

Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Bring back Darren Ng!

He will provide the 3 point shooter that Adelaide need.

People may question his defence, but he always gives it his all.

Will be useful as a 10-12 minute player.

Ng would be on a similar salary to Massingale you would think.

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Opt
Two years ago
22:15 5 Dec 12

Reply #390521

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

I was thinking about darren whilst reading 36 reasons column 5 minutes ago. Hopefully hes ready to throw a shirt back on


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:16 5 Dec 12

Reply #390522

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

While I agree with your logic, the only reason for cutting CJ has to be to get a star (or something close) import or even aussie. Not another so so role player.


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Mika
Two years ago
22:20 5 Dec 12

Reply #390523

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Ng is on 6 figures as a doctor, lol why would he come back as a cheap role player 3 month contract?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:21 5 Dec 12

Reply #390524

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Ng, serious guys?? Watch the games, we can't get massingale an open shot same thing will happen with ng.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:33 5 Dec 12

Reply #390525

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

There must be a plan to bring in someone behind the scenes or Clarke has just publicly shown us all he lives in a parallel universe.

To me this a career deciding gamble


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Camel 31
Two years ago
22:35 5 Dec 12

Reply #390526

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Clarke's not a fan of catch and shoot
wants a create off the dribble.



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KingJames
Two years ago
22:43 5 Dec 12

Reply #390527

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Anonymous I think you are giving Clarke too much Credit. The team would have used practically all salary cap this season. So lets just say CJ was on 70k, how do you think they will get a "Star" import or Australian with that money?

Clarke's buddy Daly will probably move into the team and that will be it for the rest of the season.

If they some how find a star for 70k I will be more then happy to eat my words.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:49 5 Dec 12

Reply #390529

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

I'm hoping they had someone signed and on the plane already, so they have some chance of suiting this weekend, which i think is needed.

Any rumours on who it is?

Imo we need a scoring swingman who can score around 15-20ppg and Clarke needs to actually play them. A Farley/Ere mould player is what we need.

Not sure exactly who is available/affordable, but some imports with NBL experience who may be willing to come cheap could be guys like Gilchrist, Dorsey, Devendorf, Sanders, Braswell, Grizzard, Ubaka, Williams, Bowen, Rose.

Not convinced any of them would be ideal out of that list id take Bowen, Sanders, Devendorf or Dorsey though,

given there wouldnt be much money to spend on this spot they may be as good as it gets, i personally hope they unveil the next Farley, but id say thats highly unlikely given budget available and previous selections by the coach


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joshuapending
Two years ago
22:55 5 Dec 12

Reply #390530

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

At this point with the little cash we have left i imagine, stuff finding the next Farley lets bring the man himself back. Played ok a couple of years ago and if nothing else is a fan favourite. I'm sure he could give you what CJ did with his eyes closed.

This whole thing just stinks to me, fire that guy so attention goes off me.


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The_Champ33
Two years ago
23:00 5 Dec 12

Reply #390531

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Kavossy Franklin the former PG of the Hawks?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
23:04 5 Dec 12

Reply #390532

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

As much as i loved Farley and Franklin I ruled them both out due to age, they would likely end up more like Abney than what we need, but hey i guess the curious side of me wouldnt be against a Farley return either, see if he can still drop 20 ppg on teams today! But we do need someone younger id be looking at guys in Dleague, college grads who may be willing to come cheap to prove themselves, like Ebi Ere did back in the day.


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KingJames
Two years ago
23:11 5 Dec 12

Reply #390535

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Anonymous, out of that list perhaps Braswell would be ideal. Can create his own shot, hit the 3 and has confidence. Also he probably would play for that sort of money.

Also must take into account the coach probably wont remove anyone from the starting 5 and that anyone scoring 15-20ppg would put them in the top 5 players in the league and for 70k that is very unreasonable.


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BigAds
Two years ago
23:12 5 Dec 12

Reply #390536

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

I'll be surprised if they replace Massingale. I believe we have enough talent on the roster to move on without anyone else. The decision by the club provides 3-5 minutes more court time opportunity for players like Creek and Weigh.


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KingJames
Two years ago
23:25 5 Dec 12

Reply #390539

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

BigAds, you could be right it could just be a ploy to save money. The organisation perhaps felt they wouldn't be any better or any worse without CJ so might as well save the money but I don't think many fans will like that way of thinking.


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Isaac
Two years ago
23:29 5 Dec 12

Reply #390540

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Marty's decision, not the club's. So, not a money saving decision.


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BigAds
Two years ago
23:35 5 Dec 12

Reply #390541

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

I'm not convinced money is really the motivation here KJ.

Club have made it clear that Marty came to them with the recommendation to cut CJ, they simply supported his position. As such I doubt it was about the money, that's not Marty's concern.

I think Marty was simply struggling to get court time for all the players and applied the addition by subtraction theory.


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mk
Two years ago
23:36 5 Dec 12

Reply #390543

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

No way u can win a tittle with all aussie team!!!


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BigAds
Two years ago
23:37 5 Dec 12

Reply #390545

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Sorry for the echo folks


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Anonymous
Two years ago
23:40 5 Dec 12

Reply #390546

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Why do they need to replace him?
They have a multitude of guards to choose from, and Tom Daly. They don't have to replace him.

You have Cadee and Gibson taking huge chunks of the minutes, the Crosswell off the bench and Daly. Mitch Creek can play a bit at the 2 guard spot. Clarke just has to play around with his rotations.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
23:41 5 Dec 12

Reply #390547

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Marty has made it clear that they are looking for a replacement. I am not holding my breath as the money they have to offer will not attract any A class talent and I have to ask what's the point anyway? He will find another affordable import and just rest him on the bench for the majority of the season.

If you read the article Boti wrote on adelaidenow tonight, Marty refers to CJ's production in the pre-season and compares it with his production in the regular season, I guess to provide justification for their decision. It's pretty clear to me that CJ's production was pretty similar to the pre-season given the minutes he was allowed. In the regular season he has averaged less than 10 minutes a game and in the pre-season he averaged over 20 minutes a game, and guess what? He produced more. Funny that.

It is becoming very obvious to all the supporters who is responsible for the team's lack of performance. Maybe another small crowd and a blowout loss to Perth will make it more obvious to the higher powers that be?


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orbit
Two years ago
23:49 5 Dec 12

Reply #390549

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Bring in a new coach to bring back NG & have some fun with Marty's fuck ups! Wow the right person could make him look really stupid - quicker rather than later..


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Anonymous
Two years ago
23:59 5 Dec 12

Reply #390550

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Mika, Ng was probably on a 6 figure dollar salary as a doctor last year, but still suited for the 36ers.

He may be willing to reduce some hours as a doctor (and some money from his job) to play for love of the game and minimal money.

It's not every day that one gets to play basketball at NBL level, and Ng doesn't seem like the Kurt Tippett type to chase ridiculously big dollars.




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Anonymous
Two years ago
00:05 6 Dec 12

Reply #390552

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Sounds like it's going to be another import.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/basketball/adelaide-36ers-adamant-cj-massingale-not-made-scapegoat-for-form-slump/story-fndekpx4-1226530724788


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Isaac
Two years ago
00:21 6 Dec 12

Reply #390553

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Anon '550, not every day you play NBL, unless you're Darren and have already played for years. He has a new son and is not interested in playing NBL. Waste of time discussing it. He could've made the same call before this season and didn't.

BidAds, I don't think this call is addition by subtraction. Marty has no financial stake and interest in saving money unless he's going to want to spend it later.

mk, load of crap. Put Bruton in Perth for Lisch and Perth could do it.


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HoldenV8
Two years ago
00:37 6 Dec 12

Reply #390556

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Maybe Marty Clarke heard Ken Cole's comments about using only 7 or 8 guys in the rotation?

The question I ask is why replace CJ? It might give someone like Mitch Creek more court time which IMO he deserves (and hopefully at the expense of the defensively defficient Nathan Crosswell). Creek can play both the 2 and 3 spots. He's one of the league's best defenders and while he hasn't got a great mid-long range shot, give him an inch and he'll attack the basket just about every time. He just needs to learn to pass more, currently he's only averaging 0.3 assists per game.


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BigAds
Two years ago
01:11 6 Dec 12

Reply #390560

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

I agree Issac, Marty has no financial interest. The addition by subtraction comment was in reference to Clarke possibly finding it easier to get better output from the rotations by having CJ removed from the equation.


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skull
Two years ago
06:47 6 Dec 12

Reply #390567

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

maybe replace massingale with trevor gleeson.


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Isaac
Two years ago
07:28 6 Dec 12

Reply #390570

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

You don't have to cut a player to play someone else more minutes and simplify a rotation. You just don't play them. This is purely about cutting him before probation was up and having a chance to replace him and hopes that is enough to get them through close games.

Paying out two coaches and potentially pissing off the playing group is a big call. A few of the younger players are very keen on him.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
07:44 6 Dec 12

Reply #390572

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

A few of the younger players a very keen on him !
Yes Cadee - promised to start, Weigh say no more.
Creek - misguided loyalty. The rest will tow party line as professionals will.


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AB
Two years ago
07:52 6 Dec 12

Reply #390574

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

go for former cairns import Andrew Warren... good size... good shooter... ive met him a few times and is a good fella too!!


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Pie Cart
Two years ago
08:10 6 Dec 12

Reply #390575

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

i was thinking in the same mind as AB warren from cairns shot the ball well whilst in Cairns,we need someone to come off the bench give a bit of spark,NG would be good but he is earning 6 figures as a Dr .

A shooting guard would be good ,hope Clarke gets a good replacement.not a dud please,i believe Clarke had some names on his list before settling with Massingale(cheap option)


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Hoops
Two years ago
08:22 6 Dec 12

Reply #390576

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

The Whisper is Warren!!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
08:49 6 Dec 12

Reply #390579

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

I'm seriously starting to hate the NBL, REALLY hate it. Give me SEABL any day of the week now. What ever happened to recruiting a team and COACHING them, this revolving door of players coming and going is killing the chemistry in teams and killing the attachment fans get to teams... It need to stop soon or the League will implode.


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Jack Toft
Two years ago
09:04 6 Dec 12

Reply #390581

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

J U L I U S


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:29 6 Dec 12

Reply #390589

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Cj for kev? Has a team won an a tittle without an import? Brutons dad was an import so he got the genes buddy! Adelaide n townsvile shoud merge! Both got somthin common! Both got shite coaches front office and the supporters that try hard to follow but a few ppl just dont listen!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:35 6 Dec 12

Reply #390593

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Julius Hodge


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Anonymous
Two years ago
10:23 6 Dec 12

Reply #390617

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Isn't Andrew Warren playing in Italy now?


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Ak-47
Two years ago
10:30 6 Dec 12

Reply #390620

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Just echoing what Holden V8 was saying. I think this is a great chance to increase Creek's minutes which he definitely deserves. I'm sick of seeing him only get 8-12 every game, especially when the stats show he's an efficient scorer, rebounds the ball well, defends well and just brings speed and athleticism to a group that seriously lacks it. The kid is going to bolt the next chance he gets unless he's given an opportunity to play and considering the fact he's seriously earned it, now the chance to give it to him has arrived.


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Isaac
Two years ago
10:58 6 Dec 12

Reply #390628

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

It wasn't quite $37k, but I heard Deleon was sub-$80k last year with the Blaze. Might be a bit of a black hole, but he can create for himself, that's for sure. Either of the imports the Hawks have this year could've been useful.

I don't remember Warren creating much, mostly just playing as a static shooter?


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Jack Toft
Two years ago
11:33 6 Dec 12

Reply #390641

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Agree with AK-47 on Creek.

The rotations and the minutes are all out of whack. If Creeky was injured last game I can accept that, but if was only give 2 mins 31 secs and was fully fit.....well that's just a waste.

2:31.

It's pointless getting a replacement if they are just going to sit on the bench and admire the cheerleaders.

So far the average minutes per game are:
Gibbo (32.45), Weigh (31.75), DJ (29.57), Mungo (26.53), Peach (22.88), Luke (22.23), Crossy (13.27), Creeky (13.23), CJ (9.7)

Everyone keeps commenting on poor rotations and minutes, but is part of the problem the length of the runs on court as well?

Compare this to NZ
Jackson (30.8), Abercrombie (28.4), Bruton (22.6), Corletto (22.4), Vukona (22.0), Pledgehammer (21.9), Hudson (17.2), Boucher (17.0), Henry (9.4)

The 9th men are about the same, but the 7th and 8th men for the Breakers are getting more minutes. The Sixers with the top 4 minutes are on court for a total of 16 mins more than the Breakers top 4 minutes players. Does this mean they are more worn out at the crucial times and the others get colder sooner because they aren't in the game? What's the best rotations?

Before CJ is replaced, the question of rotational woes must be answered.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:41 6 Dec 12

Reply #390643

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Marty should just be the replacement and become a player/ coach.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:54 6 Dec 12

Reply #390651

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

They should just lock in with what they have and freakin Coach them and make it work, try and develop the group they have.

Im sick of seeing coaches and clubs take the easy way out and just cycle players through mid season.

They have a good group already, find a combination that works well together and build some chemistry, throwing another player at the team wont fix them.
The NBL should make clubs submit team lists and lock them into them for the whole season and only let them bring players in to cover injuries otherwise promote development players onto the rotation.
Unrealistic i know but Look at other sports like AFL where they have a fixed list that cant be altered, it encourages teams to develop their rookies and stops all this rubbish.


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Anon
Two years ago
12:55 6 Dec 12

Reply #390674

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Jackie Moon


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Isaac
Two years ago
13:02 6 Dec 12

Reply #390679

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Anon, teams would just fake injuries to replace players. They already do or exaggerate issues to save face for the player.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
15:08 6 Dec 12

Reply #390715

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

What would be the point of sacking CJ is they weren't going to replace him?
A couple of things, I don't think we need another small guard, such as Braswell or even daly. We need a scoring 2/3. I also think that people give Creek a bit too much credit. He's not a star player right now and 10-15 minutes a night is about right. He's not really a guy the produces a lot with more minutes.

I do like the Warren suggestions.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
15:35 6 Dec 12

Reply #390721

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

To stop the mid season player turnover, could the NBL expand rosters to 12 players and allow upto 3 imports, submit team lists a month before the season starts and have no changes, you just have to cop the injuries like AFL clubs do.

Another in between option could allow you to replace players with season ending injury if a league appointed doctor agrees it is geniuine, and make it so the replacement has to be an Australian or one of your development players to avoid my import is 'injured' scams.

Another issue could be a team may want to wait on a player like a Neville who has NBA trials during the start of the season, maybe you could list them and take the risk they will come (with NBA outclauses) or start the season with less than 12 players and add him in, not sure how this scenario would work if you had to submit lists pre-season and it would be a shame to have Neville out of the league, maybe have the list cut off date at say November 30, enough time after the NBA starts to fit these guys in.


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Isaac
Two years ago
16:05 6 Dec 12

Reply #390729

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

I don't think teams cutting and swapping players is as big a problem as you think. You really want Townsville to have to play out the season with Forte and Withers scoring 3-5 PPG?

Why impose two extra player salaries per team and have guys riding the pine permanently just because a handful don't love player turnover?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
17:59 6 Dec 12

Reply #390746

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

True


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:11 6 Dec 12

Reply #390758

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Maybe coaches and teams need to put more effort into proper thorough scouting and recruiting players, (and maybe owners who know nothing about basketball need to stay out of that process).
Locking in playing groups will put the onus back on the recruitment process and make Coaches "COACH".


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Ingles13
Two years ago
21:43 6 Dec 12

Reply #390766

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

I've really disliked the amount of people on Creek's bandwagon the last few years demanding him more minutes but I've come to the conclusion that WE NEED TO PLAY CREEK MORE. Him and Petrie are the only two that attack the ring hard and finish. Cadee attacks but settles with floaters and runners due to his small stature. Crosswell doesn't attack hard and what I've seen of Gibson is that he is more a floor spacer and not as aggressive as I'd like him to be. Weigh is better used as a shooter, or in the post as a playmaker. He just doesn't have the athleticism or finishing ability's like Creek.

By no means am I a Creek fanboi but the simple fact is that he has to play a few minutes a game more.


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Jack Toft
Two years ago
21:59 6 Dec 12

Reply #390769

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Ingles, get on board the Creek Train.

Like you say, he's an exciting player, athletic, aggressive to the basket, can create something out of nothing and when he is on court, something happens.

He is treated poorly. I am trying to work out if he is treated like a good piece of china only brought out when grandma comes over, or if he is treated like the naughty stepson and kept in the woodshed, shunned from the eyes of visitors.

He needs more minutes. 2:31 last week. If he was injured, that's understandable, but if not, that's poor IMO. 2:31.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:39 6 Dec 12

Reply #390776

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

'Bigads' are you kidding me with one of your posts saying cutting CJ would free up an extra 3-5 mins of court time for Creek and dare I say it Weigh!!
Do you honestly think Weigh derserves more court time than the huge amount he's getting already???
He would be leading the team in minutes played which is a disgrace!! We need to take 10 mins off Weigh and only play him for max 20 mins per game. That of course will never while Marty is here as he would've must have promised Weigh a certain amount of court time per game in his contract!!!


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Big Ads
Two years ago
01:33 7 Dec 12

Reply #390783

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Thanks Anon, I had expected a bite much earlier than this, but it came eventually. Very much a tongue in cheek reference to Stephen.


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Isaac
Two years ago
07:29 7 Dec 12

Reply #390795

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Creek, Petrie and Cadee were apparently playing sick in that last game.


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Jack Toft
Two years ago
08:05 7 Dec 12

Reply #390798

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

When someone posts about Weigh getting more minutes there's usually not much on the hook


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Jack Toft
Two years ago
08:08 7 Dec 12

Reply #390800

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

And if the post is about Marty getting another 3 years there's usually a bit of berley in the water


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Anonymous
Two years ago
12:11 7 Dec 12

Reply #390846

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Just hoping Daly does not get put back into the 10 man roster. He isnt quite at that level yet.


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36reasons.net
Two years ago
12:59 7 Dec 12

Reply #390855

re: Suggestions for Massingale's replacement

Braswell? Seriously? How is that any improvement over CJ?

No way it's Chris Warren. Terrible fit. Checked his twitter and absolutely no suggestions there, just his usual insight into poetry, the middle east etc

twitter.com/Dub_tooRAW


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