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Thefoxhat
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NBA-MVP top 5

1. Carmelo Anthony
2. Lebron James
3. Chris paul
4. Kevin Durrant
5. Kobe Bryant

Any calls on how I rate?

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Anonymous
Last year
13:43 7 Jan 13

Reply #396984

re: NBA-MVP top 5

Tony Parker ahead of Kobe.


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frankiewapps
Last year
13:45 7 Jan 13

Reply #396986

re: NBA-MVP top 5

No Idea ^^^^


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Ingles13
Last year
13:49 7 Jan 13

Reply #396991

re: NBA-MVP top 5

How have you got Kobe Bryant (leading a HOF starting 5 to 15-17) ahead of James Harden who is leading a pretty bad roster to 20-14

Also, needs more Tim Duncan


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Thefoxhat
Last year
14:00 7 Jan 13

Reply #396994

re: NBA-MVP top 5

I don't think anyone would take Harden over any of my top 5 at this stage of the season, and as for Duncan who is having a steller year he is playing with a seriously deep team. He nor Parker are carrying them at all.
Ps. Kobe is lucky to make this list with his current standings.


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Ingles13
Last year
14:07 7 Jan 13

Reply #396998

re: NBA-MVP top 5

Houston were projected to be a bottom 3 seed before the Harden trade. They were still projected to be a bottom 4 seed by just about everybody including myself. The fact they are even in the playoff hunt 34 games in a shock. James Harden is BALLING. If you have any doubt, watch their next game vs the lakers on wednesday.


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Spursfan
Last year
14:13 7 Jan 13

Reply #397001

re: NBA-MVP top 5

Lebron is by far number 1.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/lebron_james/

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/carmelo_anthony/

Makes for good reading. Among so many other blatantly obvious stats on those profile pages, look at the difference in efficiency (+/- and FG).


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Big Marty
Last year
14:18 7 Jan 13

Reply #397004

re: NBA-MVP top 5

Kobe in the Top 5 makes no sense to me IMO:

Kobe: 30.8ppg, 15-17 record
Harden: 26.4, 20-14 record

As Ingles said, if Harden is playing for a 'worse team' (on paper) and has a better winning record doing the SAME role that Kobe does for the Lakers, it would make sense that Harden is above him, but he isn't. Especially with the line-up of the Lakers.

Frankly putting Kobe into the Top 10 right now isn't worthwhile since his gameplay isn't actually effecting the team.

I would also move CP3 above Lebron right now. Lebron is a great player, but he has been stagnant for the past few seasons as far as his development goes and statistically his changes have been minimal.


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Spursfan
Last year
14:21 7 Jan 13

Reply #397008

re: NBA-MVP top 5

Big Marty, how does development=output. James' output is superior to anyone else in the league. His output makes him the most valuable player to his team in the league. It is clear cut.


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Thefoxhat
Last year
14:31 7 Jan 13

Reply #397013

re: NBA-MVP top 5

No way Rockets will win Wednesday. I'm not a Lakers fan but just you watch.


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No Deal!!
Last year
14:40 7 Jan 13

Reply #397022

re: NBA-MVP top 5

Why not foxhat? The Rockets beat the Lakers only a few weeks ago.

The Lakers are still struggling big time and the Rockets are rolling right now.

Also Harden is most definately top 5. The Rockets are the youngest team in the league and he is leading them to the playoffs in the West. McHale should be in the convo for coach of the year as well.


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Jake
Last year
14:44 7 Jan 13

Reply #397024

re: NBA-MVP top 5

I'd say James at this stage with, CP3 then KD.


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The_Champ33
Last year
14:47 7 Jan 13

Reply #397025

re: NBA-MVP top 5

1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. Carmelo
4. CP3
5. Kobe

Melo has missed games and needs to keep this current rate up all season to potentially win it.

Lebron & Durant doing everything right with Lebron having the number 1 at this point in time.

CP3 is having a strong year and helping the whole team look good.

Kobe for being individual.

Tim Duncan as the smokey choice.


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Big Marty
Last year
14:50 7 Jan 13

Reply #397026

re: NBA-MVP top 5

Spursfan, I completely agree with you that Lebron is arguably the best statistically in the league.

IMO I think the MVP should be awarded to players who are the best player on their team who have made the greatest impact to said team.

Miami is exactly the same as they were last year, their record isn't going to change much, and if they don't win a title this year, then they're essentially going backwards.

Guys like Paul, Harden, Melo have had blatant impacts on their team and their impact shows in the W/L column.

Would this ever translate into the real world? of course not; but that's just my take on why I'd move Lebron down.


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Thefoxhat
Last year
14:58 7 Jan 13

Reply #397029

re: NBA-MVP top 5

Kobe v Harden is a case of been there done that.
Kobe has consistently gotten the Lakers in the playoffs (with help).
Harden and the Rockets won't win over 45 games which is their current pace.
The wheels will come off at some stage.


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Ingles13
Last year
14:59 7 Jan 13

Reply #397030

re: NBA-MVP top 5

without harden, the rockets would be reminiscent of last year;s bobcats


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Spursfan
Last year
15:07 7 Jan 13

Reply #397036

re: NBA-MVP top 5

Haha, Ingles what a stupid thing to say. Cool it down, even if things you say are correct, people will devalue it because of your username. Just take a step back for a couple days.


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DB5
Last year
15:10 7 Jan 13

Reply #397040

re: NBA-MVP top 5

You can't be MVP on a non contender seriously. If Harden is MVP then the Rockets should be challenging surely?

James is playing at about the same level as last year when he won MVP. Unless someone plays at a higher level, surely James gets it again (and I hate the guy).


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Ingles13
Last year
15:16 7 Jan 13

Reply #397042

re: NBA-MVP top 5

Are you trying to say the rockets, without Harden, being led by CHANDLER PARSONS would be anything above a 14th seed? LOL, Harden is CARRYING that team to a very very respectable record. Don't care if people devalue my KNOWLEDGE. That's their fault for not listening to their superior intelligent ones.

I didn't say that Harden is the current MVP. He needs recognition, especially when a guy leading a HOF roster to a 15-17 record is getting recognition


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Spursfan
Last year
15:21 7 Jan 13

Reply #397045

re: NBA-MVP top 5

Mate, Jeremy Lin is the second leader of the team.


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Ingles13
Last year
15:23 7 Jan 13

Reply #397046

re: NBA-MVP top 5

A Jeremy Lin lead team ain't going anywhere but to the top 5 of the lottery


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Ingles13
Last year
15:27 7 Jan 13

Reply #397047

re: NBA-MVP top 5

Gallinariiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii


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Spursfan
Last year
15:31 7 Jan 13

Reply #397050

re: NBA-MVP top 5

A Jeremy Lin led Knicks were 9-2 if I can recall (during the period of Linsanity)


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Spursfan
Last year
15:32 7 Jan 13

Reply #397051

re: NBA-MVP top 5

Yeah, you're a troll...


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Ingles13
Last year
15:38 7 Jan 13

Reply #397053

re: NBA-MVP top 5

Linsanity ended as soon as they started losing. You Can't not include the games where he got exposed like vs Miami and others.

Lol @ you thinking the rockets wouldn't be a bottom 3 seed with Lin leading the team


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Ingles13
Last year
15:41 7 Jan 13

Reply #397055

re: NBA-MVP top 5

Kobe with a vintage MVP game. 26 attempts in a loss where the best player on his team grabs 26 boards, has 4 blocks, shoots over 85% and is one of only 3 lakers to have a positive plus/minus. YET KOBE ONLY LETS HIM SHOOT 7 TIMES TO KOBE'S 26 CHUCKS.

KOBE FOR MVP DOE. POINTS ARE EVERYTHING


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philly
Last year
15:52 7 Jan 13

Reply #397059

re: NBA-MVP top 5

Lebron without question. Then Chris Paul...


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Spursfan
Last year
15:53 7 Jan 13

Reply #397062

re: NBA-MVP top 5

Ingles13 for Most Volatile Poster


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Ingles13
Last year
15:54 7 Jan 13

Reply #397063

re: NBA-MVP top 5

Ingles13 for most knowledgable poster*


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Spursfan
Last year
15:58 7 Jan 13

Reply #397066

re: NBA-MVP top 5

If you were knowledgeable, you would realise that 'Most Volatile Poster' abbreviates to MVP...which is the topic of this thread.


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Ingles13
Last year
15:58 7 Jan 13

Reply #397068

re: NBA-MVP top 5

THE REAL TOP 6 MVP CANDIDATES.

LBJ
CP3
KD
Harden
Duncan
Melo


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Ingles13
Last year
15:58 7 Jan 13

Reply #397069

re: NBA-MVP top 5

I'm an NBA player now?


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Spursfan
Last year
16:00 7 Jan 13

Reply #397072

re: NBA-MVP top 5

Hahahaha, wtf Ingles? Btw, you spelled knowledgeable wrong as well.


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Ingles13
Last year
16:03 7 Jan 13

Reply #397073

re: NBA-MVP top 5

you spelt intelligent wrong (by quite a bit too)


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Spursfan
Last year
16:07 7 Jan 13

Reply #397075

re: NBA-MVP top 5

I Ctrl + F'd the first four letters of that word (the simple ones that no one could get wrong, if you can follow) and the only other time that word is used in this thread is on one of your comments...


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bron
Last year
16:12 7 Jan 13

Reply #397079

re: NBA-MVP top 5

1. LeBron James 26.6p (55%) 8.5r 6.5a
2. Kevin Durant 28.3p (52%) 7.8r 4.1a
3. Carmelo Anthony 29.3p (49%) 6.3r 2.2a
4. James Harden 26.4p (45%) 4.2r 5.3a
5. Chris Paul 17.0p (48%) 3.6r 9.3a

FYI: Kobe Bryant 30.5p (48%) 5.2r 4.7a

Lebron is the obvious #1. Best stats (and most efficient) on one of the best teams.
I agree with the James Harden call and his numbers back it up on a terrible roster (currently 6th in the stacked West).
I realise Kobe has the most points per game but people should look beyond that. He is leading the league in field goal attempts, averaging over 3 more than Lebron & Durant. Also, his team (which is loaded with talent) are losing more than they win. A great player, but not a top 5 MVP candidate this season in my opinion.


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Spursfan
Last year
16:22 7 Jan 13

Reply #397089

re: NBA-MVP top 5

Ingles, you even spelled 'spelled‘ wrong. I just don't get it.


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Ingles13
Last year
16:48 7 Jan 13

Reply #397112

re: NBA-MVP top 5

spelt 2 (splt)
v.
A past tense and a past participle of spell1.



you can't be serious, you have to be a troll...


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Spursfan
Last year
17:01 7 Jan 13

Reply #397118

re: NBA-MVP top 5

It has weeded its way into the dictionary due to idiots like you talking colloquially. It's there so you people know what the hell people are on about. BTW, you do know dictionary.com is open to user generated content. You are an idiotic little boy. Honestly, I doubt you have much of an education either.


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Ingles13
Last year
17:35 7 Jan 13

Reply #397138

re: NBA-MVP top 5

I'm not sure even what you're arguing at ^. Stay on the topic, troll.


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Speed44
Last year
00:14 8 Jan 13

Reply #397258

re: NBA-MVP top 5

David Lee, great season so far. So consistent. http://www.nba.com/playerfile/david_lee/


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Spursfan
Last year
00:30 8 Jan 13

Reply #397261

re: NBA-MVP top 5

He has been good, and from the GSW games I've seen, his interior D has stepped up too. Maybe Bogut is teaching him a few things.


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Speed44
Last year
00:38 8 Jan 13

Reply #397262

re: NBA-MVP top 5

I'm not saying he's a chance, but he should definitely be considered.


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Nike Al
Last year
04:40 8 Jan 13

Reply #397273

re: NBA-MVP top 5

1. Paul
2. Anthony
3. Harden
4. James
5. Durrant
6. Duncan
7. Kobe
8. David Lee
9. Cousins
10. Love

That my top 10


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SMA
Last year
05:53 8 Jan 13

Reply #397275

re: NBA-MVP top 5

LeBron
Paul
Duncan
Durant
Melo


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Anonymous
Last year
07:47 8 Jan 13

Reply #397282

re: NBA-MVP top 5

the argument above about spelling and grammar is cringeworthy. Back to topic - Lebron MVP


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Spursfan
Last year
08:57 8 Jan 13

Reply #397293

re: NBA-MVP top 5

Demarcus Cousins wouldn't even be in the top 20.


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Anonymous
Last year
09:10 8 Jan 13

Reply #397295

re: NBA-MVP top 5

Hahaha ingles on here again talking his rubbish as usual.

James harden in MVP talks? No way. His team is only 5 games above lakers and as a shooter harden scores less at a lower % and averages less rebounds than Kobe. So how do you sing the praises of him when he's a shooting guard that shoots a poorer % ingles? Doesn't make sense.

What about curry? Golden state have one of the best records against over .500 teams.

Yes I'm a Kobe and lakers fan and agree he shouldn't be considered due to record but his individual numbers are up there.

I still think Durant and Lebron are well ahead of the pack at the moment.


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billo
Last year
12:32 8 Jan 13

Reply #397348

re: NBA-MVP top 5

Big Marty, your logic doesn't quite make sense. What I think you're saying is that because Lebron and the Heat won it all last season his contribution this season is somehow invalid simply because he hasn't noticeably improved or turned around the fortunes of a struggling team?

That would pretty much rule out most of Jordan's MVP awards. Lebron could theoretically be playing worse than last season but still be the league MVP. If I went and played a season of miniball against 10 year olds on an 8 foot ring I'd probably be most dominant player in the league. If I stayed in this competition for a few season my 34 year old legs would get progressively less springy but I'd still be better than the 10 year olds and continue to be the MVP of the league even if I wasn't as dominant as I would be at the moment. (At least I think I'd be able to dominate 10 year olds, there's actually probably a few floating round that would be pretty good).


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Big Marty
Last year
12:50 8 Jan 13

Reply #397354

re: NBA-MVP top 5

Billo, I'm not saying that Lebron's contributions are invalid at all. As I agreed to earlier with Spursfan, Lebron is statistically the best player in the league; and I'm not questioning that.

As I said before, IMO I think the MVP should be awarded to players who are both:

A) The best player on their team.
B) Their play that season has resulted in their being a better team in the W/L column.

If for example, John Wall had taken the Wizards from nothingness and at least got them over .500 by a fair margin on his own back; I'd consider him an MVP candidate. Even if the Wizards then dipped out in the 1st Round, so be it; but it would still be a fair case.

In the arguement about Lebron, I'm saying that the team is on par with where they were last season.

Lebron is statistically on par with the past few seasons. If Lebron ends up leading the Heat to a 72-10 style record (ala Jordan) and doesn't do anything else statistically, then I'll be the first one to say 'MVP'.

But if he's done nothing of note beyond his MVP season last year, I don't see the point of giving him an award for being 'his average self'.

In regards to the Championship comment, logic dictates:

Great W/L Record + Title = Great Season
Same W/L Record as last season + No Title = Not as good as last season.

As for your Jordan comment, you're right.

Jordan probably didn't deserve 'some' of his MVP awards; however several of them came off of season's where he was the DPOY, and won back-to-back-to-back and record setting W/L seasons. He didn't necessarily have to be statistically the best to warrant the award.

I suppose I treat the MVP title like the Most Improved Title; you rarely see players get the MIP twice, unless there's some real good (or odd) reason. I don't believe an MVP should be awarded to the same guy again if they haven't improved themselves or their team further (and yes, that goes to all MVP's from any team in history).

That's just my opinion.


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Anonymous
Last year
13:05 8 Jan 13

Reply #397358

re: NBA-MVP top 5

I disagree Big Marty.

If you're the best player in the competition, no matter how your performance stacks up to your own potential, you win MVP, IMO.

I treat the most improved award like the most improved award, and the most valuable award like the most valuable.


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DB5
Last year
13:32 8 Jan 13

Reply #397364

re: NBA-MVP top 5

Jordan deserved more! Voters gave it to Barkley and Malone because MJ was winning it every year and they didn't want it to get boring. At least he tore both of them a new one in the finals for winning the MVP instead of him (bit like Dream on Robinson that year).

If Lebron got it last year and performs the same, unless someone is having a better year, Lebron gets it. Much like Nash with his back to back.


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GRIFFINRONDOPIERCE23
Last year
13:54 8 Jan 13

Reply #397367

re: NBA-MVP top 5

1. Durant
2. Paul
3. Lebron
4. Bryant
5. Anthony
6. Westbrook
7. Duncan
8. Rondo


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Ak-47
Last year
17:25 8 Jan 13

Reply #397424

re: NBA-MVP top 5

I agree with DB5 and Billo and respectfully disagree Big Marty.

Marty your criteria is as follows:

A) The best player on their team.
B) Their play that season has resulted in their being a better team in the W/L column.

For LeBron

A) Check

I don't think the criteria for B is dead on. I think it should be more along the lines of 'the effect they have on the W/L column.

For LeBron, Miami are certainly not anywhere near their current record with out him. Take him out of their side and they are not defending champions and are not favourites to win it this year. This highlights LeBron's MVP worthiness.

B) = significant impact on W?L column

I would also add for final criteria.

C) Their on-court statistical performance across the season. Just another factor that should receive (some) attention. = Outstanding statistical output.

Simply cannot penalise a guy for being his same old self when his same old self is, just casually, the best player on the planet.


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Ingles13
Last year
13:57 9 Jan 13

Reply #397640

re: NBA-MVP top 5

Another vintage MVP performance from James Harden. Another great shooting night from Kobe bryant in a big loss to the ROCKETS


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