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Jye
Last year

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Will NBL ever become as big as other leagues?

so, nbl is getting bigger, the average attedance this season is 4780, 1288 higher than is was 4 season ago.
but do you think NBL will continue to grow?
do you think it could ever be as big as A-league is now?

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Anonymous
Last year
13:42 12 Jan 13

Reply #398315

re: Will NBL ever become as big as other leagues?

there's a lot of 'spin' attached to any statements about the NBL "getting bigger". The truth be told, the profile of the league is shrinking and has been for years. The NBL refuses to market the league, teams have folded, budgets are shrinking.

Perhaps a better title for this thread would've been "Will the NBL still exist in 10 years ?"


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Mystro
Last year
13:46 12 Jan 13

Reply #398316

re: Will NBL ever become as big as other leagues?

I don't care so much for big. Care more about quality.


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Jye
Last year
13:58 12 Jan 13

Reply #398317

re: Will NBL ever become as big as other leagues?

i hope NBL will still be around in 10 years, Someone please tell me the first guys was wrong?


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Wildcat Fan
Last year
14:23 12 Jan 13

Reply #398321

re: Will NBL ever become as big as other leagues?

There is plenty of room for the NBL to grow. As long as clubs keep improving off the court and improve their connection to local grass roots and their communities then the NBL will see some success. And as long as clubs think big and aim for bigger arenas, bigger membership and bigger crowds - then success will follow.

The NBL operates on a shoe string budget, whereas the A-league (nbl's closest competitor) receives millions, spends millions, and loses millions and at the end of the day, their attendances are only double the nbls crowds on average. Both leagues crowd averages are inflated with Melbourne Victory and Perth Wildcats getting exceptionally high crowds in their respective leagues.

The gap between the leagues might seem large from the numbers and from a perception point of view, but the A-league is only a few big stuff ups away from being like the nbl was/is. And the NBL is only a few good decisions away from closing the gap.

A Brisbane and 2nd Melbourne team or Wellington side is desparately needed.


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Jye
Last year
14:31 12 Jan 13

Reply #398325

re: Will NBL ever become as big as other leagues?

Wildcats fan, so you dont think the league will fold in ten years like the first guy you posted a reply?


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Anonymous
Last year
15:08 12 Jan 13

Reply #398330

re: Will NBL ever become as big as other leagues?

Jye, nobody hopes the NBL will fold but if you're tracking the profile / financial health of this league from its heyday (the 90s) through to now, you'd sure reckon that it was heading that way.

It needs a massive shake up to recapture the imagination of the general public and that requires money and marketing nous .... The NBL / Basketball Australia appears to have neither of the aforementioned.


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Curtley
Last year
15:26 12 Jan 13

Reply #398334

re: Will NBL ever become as big as other leagues?

A new structure is required and a junior development/AIS part of the league (in whatever form that takes) would help. Also some sort of association with Asia whereby income is generated from tv rights would be awesome. Of course this will likely not happen.


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Wildcat Fan
Last year
15:56 12 Jan 13

Reply #398339

re: Will NBL ever become as big as other leagues?

Jye, to answer your question - No I don't believe the league will fold in 10 years time. But in order to avoid that, massive restructuring of the league needs to happen.

Your original question was can the nbl be as big as the other leagues. I think we can compete with the other leagues, but the media needs to give basketball some coverage. They need to see that there is a basketball league worth reporting on. The NBL needs to work on ways to make it's product better so that it gets noticed.

I live in Perth, and basketball here has never been better. The Wildcats are bigger than the Glory (in my opinion and the opinion of others I know). Which other NBL club can say it's bigger than their A-league counterpart? Maybe NZ breakers? I notice that the people of Wellington are losing interest in the Phoenix.

Anyway - the league won't fold in 10 years time as it's better now than it was 5 years ago, so why should it fold? Constant improvement is the key.


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Curtley
Last year
16:04 12 Jan 13

Reply #398341

re: Will NBL ever become as big as other leagues?

Imagine if different sporting codes worked together and you could buy say a 15 game pass over 4 sporting codes. Or timing tthe 36ers road trip to Sydney with Adelaide united playing Sydney FC? Alas, another thing that will likely never happen.


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Jye
Last year
16:14 12 Jan 13

Reply #398344

re: Will NBL ever become as big as other leagues?

i feel that they need to accually get the NBL name out there more, if you accually think about it, theres really no way new of people knowing about the league unless you stumble across it when its on t.v, there is no ads, harldy any merchandise in stores, or much coverage on news.
so if they would accually put some money getting the name out there, it would have a big effect on the popularity.


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Curtley
Last year
16:20 12 Jan 13

Reply #398345

re: Will NBL ever become as big as other leagues?

Jye back in the heyday in Sydney the players spent half their time at schools doing clinics and kids would get free tickets (then adults would have to buy their own at game). This was when 8-10k would turn up every game. As far as I know this no longer happens.


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Anonymous
Last year
16:37 12 Jan 13

Reply #398347

re: Will NBL ever become as big as other leagues?

short answer.....NO...it will never be as big or as good as many of the other leagues around the world


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Wildcat Fan
Last year
16:42 12 Jan 13

Reply #398350

re: Will NBL ever become as big as other leagues?

Curtley, I would love it if clubs from different sporting codes worked along side each other. Cross promotion is always a winner. Unfortunately, it will never happen as now each competing club fights for the same sponsors and crowds. Back in the 80s and 90s there was a greater community feel and you would regularly see cross promotion of teams. Now it doesn't happen as they are competing against each other. That's how it seems anyway.

I remember Bernd Stange (former popular glory coach) always raved on about the wildcats and how he loved them... Do you see coaches today doing the same thing? No.

At the very least, the clubs could do a better effort ensuring that competing codes don't clash on game day ( eg united not playing at the same time as the 36ers etc).


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Anonymous
Last year
16:47 12 Jan 13

Reply #398354

re: Will NBL ever become as big as other leagues?

It won't surprise me one bit if the NBL is non-existant in 10 years time. The NBL's management, heck, management of basketball in Australia has been subpar for a long long time. If BA has any smarts, they'll look at what the Wildcats have done and try to emulate the positives from that organisation onto the NBL.


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Blu
Last year
16:49 12 Jan 13

Reply #398356

re: Will NBL ever become as big as other leagues?

I want the Nbl to fold and go to a semi pro comp in expanded seabl/qbl/abl/wall/waratah/big v ectc


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Anonymous
Last year
18:06 12 Jan 13

Reply #398372

re: Will NBL ever become as big as other leagues?

Blu, what would going semi pro achieve? If that were to happen, the NBL players would go overseas and basketball in Australia would be doomed. Nonetheless, the path they are on isn't good, and something needs to be done about it.


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Anonymous
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18:40 12 Jan 13

Reply #398380

re: Will NBL ever become as big as other leagues?

Lol basketball in Aus would be doomed if they went overseas? Naaaaawwt, basketball grassroots is fairly healthy it doesn't really compete with soccer but it has to compete with winter football and summer cricket but overall has very stable numbers, the sport has plenty of cash in fact its probably the most expensive ball sport I'm aware of so where is all that grass roots $$$ going and being wasted? Obviously it doesn't go to the NBL teams what BA do with it no one knows.

If the NBL died and it was replaced with a semi pro competition where elite clubs across the country competed imo we would probably have a better comp these clubs would all compete grow or die quicker at the state level.


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H
Last year
19:16 12 Jan 13

Reply #398388

re: Will NBL ever become as big as other leagues?

They said the NBL would fold in 10 years, 10 years ago and they will be saying it again in 10 years. The NBL has made modest gains of late... I expect it will continue to soldier on, it could be doing much better however. I am not sure why these clubs arent investing more into there marketing. only club having a decent go of it is perth


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Blu
Last year
19:38 12 Jan 13

Reply #398395

re: Will NBL ever become as big as other leagues?

I want the Nbl to fold its a joke. Also most NBLers wouldn't get overseas jobs so Standard wouldn't drop too much. Imports would still be decent thanks to USA buggered economy.

Only the top 10% would play overseas. Salaries can still be decent at avg 50k


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Anonymous
Last year
19:48 12 Jan 13

Reply #398398

re: Will NBL ever become as big as other leagues?

Semi pro competition and elite clubs in the same sentence? Yes, makes perfect sense...


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Jye
Last year
19:56 12 Jan 13

Reply #398402

re: Will NBL ever become as big as other leagues?

Blu shut up...


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VP
Last year
20:54 12 Jan 13

Reply #398408

re: Will NBL ever become as big as other leagues?

If they can get one more team they will be as big as the WNBL!

In terms of attendances or finances - NBL will never be as big as the A-League.

Probably currently about the same as the ABL - Australian Baseball League.

You can't generate interest for a competition when the best young players don't come back from college to play NBL - they now stay overseas.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:11 12 Jan 13

Reply #398410

re: Will NBL ever become as big as other leagues?

The NBL is a joke it is so unorganized and lackluster ie DoDo girls shaking their pom poms and a few hip thrusts. We have very good cheerleaders in this country why not have something with a wow factor. half court competition oh the ball did not go in now what ?
Do not mind the players standard :)


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Fred
Last year
06:48 13 Jan 13

Reply #398459

re: Will NBL ever become as big as other leagues?

The NBL was so succesful that they were responsible for every other sport lifting their game. NBL was first sport to be a national success in Australia. Other sports poached NBL staff to copy what they did.
The NBL had the big sponsors like McDonalds and Coke.
The NBL was the biggest national sport across Australia at one point.

And the someone thought it was a good idea to give Steve Carfino a microphone.


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Acie Earl
Last year
15:45 13 Jan 13

Reply #398533

re: Will NBL ever become as big as other leagues?

The league is damaged goods. Had Sixers tickets for over 12 years and stopped going about 3 years ago. Couldn't tell you who played for who these days.

The league is dead to me.


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paul
Last year
16:09 13 Jan 13

Reply #398536

re: Will NBL ever become as big as other leagues?

The big question is will the league ever become as big as Acie Earl?


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GRIFFINRONDOPIERCE23
Last year
17:37 13 Jan 13

Reply #398557

re: Will NBL ever become as big as other leagues?

Interesting we bring up cross-code promotion - Breakers/Phoenix will respectively be playing the Wildcats/Glory in the same weekend in Auckland (Phoenix do one game at Eden Park) and the clubs have worked out a double-header ticket for a very reasonable price. Mutually beneficial - great way to get the exposure up for both leagues.

Would be good if the league/clubs bothered more with promo and grassroots/community activities - the Wildcats and Breakers are streets ahead of the rest in those respects. But as someone said up the page, the NBL is growing modestly, it could be better, but it does have a future.


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Naph
Last year
14:42 14 Jan 13

Reply #398732

re: Will NBL ever become as big as other leagues?

As an absolute worst case, I can see the NBA doing something similar with basketball as Major League Baseball does with baseball in Australia.

Junior participation rates are still high (way, way better than baseball for example). As a result I don't see basketball at a national level dying in my lifetime. At least not for any significant period of time, I guess there could be a transition period if/when the NBL in its current guise falls over.


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