Dont think any player would wana play there to tell u the truth! Why would u? If the blaze were still around dont think the three wouldve signed! Perth or nz u would jump at the chance knowing u got a shot at winning a ring! All the best any wayz

Good call X.

Creeky is someone we need to lock in. He will be an absolute Super Star and needs more minutes.

Luke. Has been like a 2 wood on a par 3. Rarely used. Under different leadership . . . .
Peach. If he is let go, it's time to go postal.
Stevie. We all know he is Marty's love child, but he does put in 100% and when he is free is shooting the ball well. Hustle on D. Worthy of a Sixers spot.
Gibbo. A superstar who is dripping with sweat when he comes of court. Lock him in.
Mungo. I think he's the weak link in the starting 5, but as Marty calls him, he's a slippery sucker. Can see him only getting better.
"Arthur" Daly. Is well worth of a Sixers spot. Has probably come on the radar of a few coaches. Reckon Gordie would be licking his chops to get him.

Gone: DJ, Crosswell, Christopherson, Pero

With Crossy, he has had a good career and needs to realise he needs to go out like Doug Anthony - rather than like John Howard. Christopherson; well, I don't know if he was the right choice for the Sixers, but an off season with someone like Centrals would help him. Pero. Marty needs to give him good minutes to build confidence instead of the junk time he has got. He might join Wade Helliwell on Hurls's semi-pro team.

DJ is very soft and needs some work. Offensively gets the job done, but D is missing. Perhaps, we should just call him J. Surely the coaching staff would be looking at his D and trying to improve it? I wouldn't be cutting J too quickly.

Thanks for that info anon. Bad news re DJs contract.

Did DJ re-sign last season? i thought he signed a 3 year deal when Clarke came on and would be out of contract this off season?

That's just off the top of my head though, so I could (likely) be wrong.

I be retaining

Schensher
Petrie
Cadee
Daly
Creek
Johnson
Gibson (may leave if Marty not around)

Need a Shooting Guard
Need a Point Guard

Tall Aussie from college



Time to go

Christopherson....cant handle NBL
Crosswell...Will retire
Pero ...will retire
Weigh ...out of contract he will go elsehwere if Marty not around

Several seasons in hell . They finish earlier and earlier here . It's hard to think on that those 4 free agents would be here next season .

Johnson/Schenscher
Petrie/Edwards if cheap
Creek/rookie
Import 2-3/Cadee
Gibson/Daly

For those critical of DJ's rebounding, I'm not saying he's consistent or tough, and MPG would be a factor, but guess-rank these players by average offensive-boards this season. Then look it up.

Seth Scott
Luke Nevill
Daniel Johnson
Matt Burston
Ben Allen
Jacob Holmes
Mika Vukona
Shawn Redhage

I lmao when Petrie shoved Vukona out of court and then Vukona got all up in Johnsons grill thinking it was him lol.

Isaac, my placement and the actual OR's per game and per minute of play

Mika Vukona (2.3, 0.105)
Shawn Redhage (1.9, 0.077)
Jacob Holmes (2.3, 0.073)
Seth Scott (1.7, 0.059)
Luke Nevill (1.7, 0.059)
Daniel Johnson (2.4, 0.083)
Matt Burston (1.6, 0.099)
Ben Allen (0.6, 0.045)

I underestimated DJ Surprised Burston right up there on ORs per minute.

The top ORer's per team based on OR's per minute of play.
ADE: Luke (0.111), Peach (0.102), J (0.083)
CNS: Trigger (0.090), Hill (0.085) Edwards (0.073)
MEL: Walker (0.104), Burston (0.099) Greer (0.074)
NZL: Hudson (0.154) Pledger (0.145) Vukona (0.105)
PER: Dunigan (0.142) Robbins (0.114) Knight (0.109)
SYD: Lazare (0.116) Dan (0.105) Crosswhite (0.103)
TWN: Holmes (0.073) Hinder (0.066) Abney (0.063)
WOL: Gruber (0.081) Davidson (0.065) Macmillan (0.057)

Top for the league:
Hudson (0.154) Pledger (0.145), Dunigan (0.142), Lazare (0.116), Luke (0.111)
Best pound for pound: Walker, Peach, Robbins, Hill

The year is not over, with ADL a chance to make the playoffs and you guys are already talking about who to boot and who to keep / bring in?

How do you think DJ will feel when fans want him gone @ Year 1 of a 3 year contract?

Hill and Burston love getting offensive rebounds
and are pretty good at it .

Yes....and WOL and SYD are floundering, opening it right up for virtually all punters to have a chance.

Shouldn't you support the team rather than call out who to boot?

Marcus, you are correct. The season's not over until the Fat Rat sings. The Sixers are two games out of the top 4 and still have a slight chance of making finals.

To do that, we need to win every game.

The best way to do that is keep it simple. Forget about flash plays where there's a dribble penetration that then gets kicked out to someone who does another dribble penetration, who then kicks it out to someone who then dribbles around the top to the wing, pass off, dribble to weakside, screen, dribble penetration, pass out, pump fake, dribble, pass...

The ball doesn't have to pass through everyone's hands like U12's before you can put a shot up. If you can get that rock in the bucket, even if it's after one pass, "just do it"

If the Sixers haven't dropped a rock in the bucket in 5 minutes of play and the others are scoring at will, there's a little thing called a timeout. Coaches use them to get control of the game and get their players back into the game. The NBL don't have a cash back scheme at the end of the season, so if you need 'em, use 'em.

"How do you think DJ will feel when fans want him gone @ Year 1 of a 3 year contract?"

Lord knows the big guy needs something to get him to harden the FUIC up. Clearly the coaching staff isn't doing it. I'd welcome that 3-year contract with open arms if the guy learned how to play some D and show some heart out there.

Its not a bad thing that DJ still has several years. As it seems that the current coach will be gone at the end of this season, the next few years will see DJ under a different coach and depending on who he is, DJ could improve immensely. I don't know why Clarke has not been tougher on DJ and snapped him out of his lazy habits. He is capable of being a star player, just needs a bit of professional guidance. For those who seem to think most of the team are going to walk after Clarke is gone, I can't see any justification to that. I am sure whoever has been part of the team for the last 3 seasons would not have enjoyed consistently losing games. Surely a new coach would have to be an attractive proposition for them. Once again, it depends on who its going to be.

I'm a wildcats member so I've only seen 36ers home games on nbl.tv but the first person I'd replace over there is the court side announcer!

That Breakers game a few weeks ago I was sure he died as the Breakers came back I couldn't hear him once trying to excite the crowd or do anything to get them involved and give the players a lift and it was very hard to watch.

As for who I'd keep around ATM I don't see what the big deal Mitch Creek is and felt he was given unwarranted minutes and I'd get rid of Croswell.

I'd keep Johnson and Christopherson (if he was playing under a Rob Beverige type offense of 'if your open, you better shoot' then we would see his skills on display and his confidence will grow so please get the young fella to throw some up and don't bench him if he goes 1-5).

As for Pero, he'd get more minutes in a Cairns, Sydney, Wollongong and Townsville jersey than Adelaide, heck he's better than Trueman and would get more minutes in Perth too so hopefully half decent big men like Pero and Helliwell stop signing for Adelaide and just end up sitting on the bench.

RE: I'm a wildcats member so I've only seen 36ers home games on nbl.tv but the first person I'd replace over there is the court side announcer!

My sentiments exactly. Who likes to hear a countdown, then 4 times a game, "Make some noise for YOUR Adelaide 36ers", then followed by "Defence...Nice and Loud....DEFENCE....DEFENCE....DEFENCE?"

But apart from that; Creek, Schenscher, Johnson, Daly, Petrie, Gibbo, Weight, and maybe Cadee.

If imports are needed, find a European player for fark sake. There are so many talented players out there and yet everytime we want an import, we go str8 to america. shit!

I feel sorry for Jan Warbout, what exactly is his role? Warm the seat for the sub coming off?

Agree with EC totally on DJ. A new coach changes the whole perspective on an individual and a playing group. (Just ask the Crows) Look at Brad Hill; we all got told he was a 3 year plan, and in those 3 years he produced how many good to great games? Few. Look at him now at Cairns. The same with Aaron Bruce (minus the flop).

Time will tell next year when it all begins in earnest

Don't worry about who is in the lineup or who may be in the lineup. The first thing the Sixers need to do is recruit a top notch import guard who is a superstar. Someone as good as Jackson, Ervin, Lisch, etc. They need another Farley type. No more mucking around with cheap imports.

and how to get a Jackson when you only have Massingale $ left after all your Aussie's?

If Gibson stays then go with this

LukePetrie
JohnsonWeigh
CreekWeigh
Import SHOOTER (SGSF) Gibson
Gibson Cadee

Plus sign 2 players coming back from college before they start playing AFL ;)


The main point is to get a SG that actually wants/is allowed to shoot.
This seems to be tha biggest issue with this years team.
Don't know if it is the players or the coaching style, but no one seems confient enough to be a classic gunner and take over a game.
And no Gibson hasn't done it, as seen by the 8 game losing streak.

Ideally they could steal Madgen or Goulding and then use the import slot to replace Gibson or Weigh if they leave as free-agents.

I think Madgen and Goulding are both locked up for next year.

I agree with an earlier post and believe we MUST get a top notch import. Look at our history and when we have won or been challenging for the title , we have always had a Fantastic import. I would get rid of Crosswell , Pero no question. Then it becomes a matter of $$ so if you want that Silky import one of Luke , DJ or Gibbo would have to go. I wouldnt let Gibbo go so would release Luke. And really in a 40 minute game your Stars should play 35 plus and the bench are role players who play limited game time. If you are a pro and playing 1 game a week and cant play 38 plus minutes there is something wrong.

Schenscher is contracted, and local. Why would you pay him out?

Understand that Luke is local and contracted but my point being to create cap space to sign the gun import i believe we need , one of Gibbo , DJ or Luke would need to be let go as you wouldnt be able to fit them all under the cap one would imagine.

I like Luke as a player but if the debate is who would you keep if you want to create salary cap space ( to sign a gun import ) surely you would pick a 24y/o Club MVP with great upside over a 31 y/o who has reached his capabilities.

you would think that Luke as a local player with NBA pedigree would make him an absolute keeper and at 31 Luke would still have a few years in the tank.

I would hardly touch the roster at all. Coaching is the problem atm.

Maybe bring in a bang around, physical big- Trueman, dowdell etc. If the money allows, depending on various departures from current group, would attack another 2 scorer. Newley would be the dream, but an import more likely.

Would be happy with basically the same team. Just different coaching direction.

Pure Silk, are you going to pay the $100k+ for Luke's contract? I doubt the owners would want to pay out his contract.

Weigh and Crosswells salary are enough to get a gun small forward.

Either way we are in a good position to get a good imports if Weigh or Gibson leave.

Fair call King James and it is an Interesting topic. I like Gibson and think with a really good import partner they would form an awesome duo and we all know that the NBL is a guards league so i wouldnt be letting him go unless he wanted to leave. Luke would be on fair $$ as would DJ so you are right , they would hardly pay out his contract. Dont think Crosswell would be on much , Weigh would be on good money but if you want to get a Jackson / Mee / Rucker / Farley type player you would have to give up more than Weigh and Crosswell wage IMO.

I'd favour keeping Weigh, but I'd put his salary towards an import if the alternative was paying out Schenscher (a local, generally liked by fans, and someone who's been part of successful teams each year he's been in the league?).

I don't see the point in gambling on an import PG if Gibson is available. How are you going to get an upgrade? Not going to outbid NZ for Jackson. Ervin is good, but I'd still be reluctant to get him at the expense of Gibson.

Coaching aside, I don't think we've been miles off the pace. And I think we have the depth to cover for deficiencies in individual games.

I'd not retain Crosswell, Vasiljevic and Christopherson. Crosswell's weaknesses balance his strengths. I'd rather have Dowdell than Pero. And Christopherson just hasn't cut it in any category sadly.

I'd be very keen to keep Gibson. Weigh would depend on what came up - I think he's been reliable and committed, but I think Petrie is more effective and needs as many minutes as he can play. Cadee is signed and should be kept, but I'd give him a good role off the bench rather than start him.

One thing that might prove problematic is that contracts for rising players often increase each year. I think this could be true of guys like Johnson, Cadee, Creek and maybe Schenscher. Not sure on Petrie.

When is creek expected back?

Would keep weigh for sure. Really Don't understand all the criticism about him. Defends well, still youngish, rebounds well, sticks to the game plan (even though it does not help him at all), works hard, seems to be developing a bit of a passing game etc.

Gibson must be locked up for multiple years. Agreed, take him over a jackson or whoever else. He is a winner. Gibson and Damian Martin are two players you would simply just pick over various americans. Throw everything at him.

Why would Schenscher be released? No players need to be released at all. Like NBL clubs have the coin to just do that anyway.

Would favour a bang around player over vasiljevic.

My team-

Johnson Schenscher
Petrie Dowdell
Weigh Dorsey
Creek NG
Gibson Cadee

Realistic and affordable. No real forced changes, just complimenting inclusions. Like the idea of bringing schensch of the bench, in a similar way the bullets used Bradtke, plus prefer the balance with petrie. Certaintly doesn't mean less minutes for shensch.

Not sure what Ng is up to, but could use some shooting to balance creek style. Dorsey would have something to offer surely? Bet he regrets leaving Cairns.

Cadee/Daly
Gibson/Braswell
Import/Creek
Johnson/Petrie
Schenscher/Mottram

and send Weigh back to Perth ;)

Have a good line up, and good coaches will be lining up.

I don't think too many changes need to be made to the current personnel. Signing the right coach is by far the most significant need this team has.

After that though, as long as Gibson still wants to be here, the Sixers must do everything to retain him. He has been our MVP by a country mile and is one of the best at his position in the league.

Our three bigs are all under contract for next season at least and I wouldn't want to cut any of them anyway.

The real problem with this team lies in the backcourt. Aside from Gibson, we have got nothing from our other guards all season.

I don't mind keeping Cadee to develop off the bench, but there is no way he should be starting. What we need is a quick, high quality combo guard who can create off the dribble and shoot. This would take the pressure off Gibson to be a star scorer, which I don't think is his real strength.

Obviously, to get a quality player like that, there'd need to be some money in the kitty. So if push came to shove, while I like his rebounding and defence, I'd let Weigh walk if I had to and bank on Creek developing at SF.

So I'd want to see this core:

Schenscher DJ
Petrie
Creek
Import G
Gibson Cadee

Then fill in the blanks with whoever is available and the team can afford.

I was just wondering about this damn awful points system and is it listed as imports 1 (and 2) or coaches decision or does it go by salary ?

I was wondering if Johnny Flynn is under the same points as Kevin Braswell was (say a 4) as Flynn should be higher than Kevin.

I was wondering if anyone could list the order of the 36ers and maybe help with this whole 'who you'd have next year'

Thanks, been a great convo so far

Beantown, I agree with everything you say except your comments on Weigh. Weigh has been a solid hard worker all season. He is also one of very few 3 point shooters in the team. I would let Pero go as he is an under utilised centre and we have 2 more. I would let the current import go and I would let Crosswell go. Surely 3 players going would create enough cap and salary space for a quality import guard. I know you want to cover against injuries but 1 quality player is better than 3 who either are not used or are not good performers (Crosswell turnovers, ouch).

So since we are stuck with DJ, which coaches do you guys think are most likely to fire him up and get him playing to his potential?

Could we get a head coach and then maybe an additional specific 'Softness and defensive ineptitude' coach especially for him?

To start the team needs a coach who can coach men. I have said this before but Darnell Mee with Kevin Brooks would be two blokes who could handle the pressure, egos and when the games came down to the wire. They would have the contacts to find decent imports as well.
Retain the guys who are under contract but please try and to get Luke to realise that he is 7'2. Send him over to the states to work with Hakeem the Dream in the off season.

That's the most frustrating thing watching Luke. He gets fed the ball, but he appears to have been instructed to look to pass out to a free player, or wait until someone is free instead of slamming that thing into the bucket.

I have heard that Darnell is coaching in US. I think at high school level. KB has coach locally and got the silverware with Woodville in his first year. He also was assistant to Cocks at the Gong.
The sooner the coach is in place the better.
I think if the league was strong enough and we had a youth league side Marty would be a great fit for the juniors.

Coaching decision has to come after Cole's due diligence. Was clearly stated in the club's last media release.

Far too many times this season has our backcourt tandem been sliced up. Cadee will be alright but shouldnt be starting. Gibbo needs to have an equal and if we leave it as status quo for next season the same things will happen.I honestly believe that our starers too should play the bulk of the 40 minutes and the bench/role players is exactly that. So barring injuries , fouls and the like they get limited minutes.

EC, I think we are in furious agreement. If you notice, I said I'd let Weigh go ONLY if I had to.

What I was trying to say is that I think a good combo import guard is so important to the current team setup that I would even be willing to sacrifice Weigh if that was what it took.

Hopefully that wouldn't be necessary, though I think we need to pay Weigh as a role player and not a star (not sure if that is the case or not) because he is basically your Peter Ali/ Graham Kubank type player: Hard working, dependable, but not a star like many of us thought he was going to be when he was brought in from Perth.

Al Westover would be an interesting coach as would Shawn Dennis, Trevor Gleason, Joey Wright and Darryl McDonald.

As for who would bring the best out of DJ, it will be the soon ex coach Aaron Fearne of whom has struggled to get the best out of his team this year and 36ers are way more talented, and I'd like to see him coach in Adelaide

Joey Wright makes sense for a bunch of reasons. We'll see.

Name 36 of them

I would only look at Gleeson , Wright or Smyth. Anyone of those would be ideal IMO