Would be a good idea except BASA don't make time for such trivialities, they don't have enough staff so put up with it or find another sport. Basketball is going down the gurgler anyhows, if you want your kid if they have any talent to be noticed send them to Sturt, they're looked after their very well by the umpires.

nothing like friday night late night threads......

refs have to learn somewhere like the players and coaches.

follow the proper grievance line and give feedback - the better quality this is done the more likely you are to make change.

I know what you mean I had panel refs making simple game understanding calls wrong - i.e. understanding basics....

when everyone else is perfect we can ask the refs to be.

there are ref education days but no trainings as such.

Good luck those who are Referee coordinators of Gibson and bridgeman only work during office hours,night time they stay home,no chance whatsoever for them to evaluate referees.

Bring on other states commitment to refereeing,they have people who work at night to develope young referees.BASA Friday night door takings are substantial but cannot afford to bring a referee coach to stadium.few managers are former referees nowadays don't have the heart to committ to junior referee.

that's rubbish Quickie

BSA have approved and implemented another tier of referee on Friday game night.

He 'rosters' the umpires for the night and monitors their scheduling during the night.

This was introduced with no consultation with Clubs.

The money is most definitely there.

The air of superiority within referee ranks is further perpetuated.

The standard of umpiring varies from stadium to stadium as the umpires experience and backgrounds vary. I don't think umpires are biased per se, it's just what they see as being standard.

Good coaches just need to adjust their game plans to suit.

can you please confirm Issac that Jack Toft and the last 2 anon's share the same IP..?

Ha! I wish Cat

I was pleased to see the court supervisor go out to 2 young refs at m'vale friday night. They were struggling a bit with quite a physical game and a bit of pressure from the crowd.
Unfortunately it doesn't happen often enough, especially at an inner suburban stadium just south of the city.
The real problem is the experience of the refs and the paltry pay they get. Something about peanuts and monkeys comes to mind. There is a critical need to get more mature refs on the court - yes in age! BSA. Need to recruit and not just a poster on the notice board or a link on the web site.
And I have done the ref course but poor follow up after. Refing is hard. The ref coaches need to do more to keep refs on the courts. As I have always said to my kid. No refs no game.

Whether refs are young or old is not the issue. Inconsistency is the issue and can come across as favourtism. If a coach complains they run the risk of being Tech fouled. Arrogancy is not productive - just causes more frustration. Would help if refs actually listen rather than disregard, would be more professional

Age of the refs is definitely an issue. Teenage kids refing a top 2 div 1 game isn't on! And from what I have observed, the coaches that get tech'd get what they deserve. No coach has the right to have the cracks at refs in the way they do. Most are serial offenders.
Would like to see some of the parents tech'd as well.
There is definitely a barrier between refs and coaches as well. The best refs I have seen were at the classics last year.. The refs made the effort to introduce themselves to the coaches before the game, which broke the ice. And the communication through the game was excellent.
Much we an learn here if the ref hierarchy were prepared to learn and pass down to the troops.
Need good refs and those prepared to put their hand up to do it need a lot more support..

Same old crap. "referees need to have trainings like players"
"where's all the money going, it should be going to referee development"
"why are teenagers doing 1v2 district games"

Firstly, refs don't have the time for training sessions since they would be refereeing most of the week. Mondays senior div 2, Tuessday youth league, Wednesday, div 3-6 seniors. Thursday panel or srdp meetings, Friday juniors... And you want them to do training as well? Good luck.The "training" comes from game experience. Simple as that.

Second, the money goes into keeping the stadiums running? To pay salaries. Honestly, considering the money that is taken at the for each night from each stadium, I'm surprised that BSA, not BASA, is still afloat. What do you think is happening, you think they are keeping money on the side? -.-

Thirdly, these "teenagers" from what I know, are perfectly capable of doing district. Lord, do you want Filmer, Wieland or Durant coming out to do these games? Comes back to this "training" you want these "teenagers" to do. Where are they going to learn to cope under that pressure, if they aren't exposed to it.

Lastly to the OP, are you serious? Bridgeman and Gibson are constantly out watching games. They both put in immeasurable time and effort, never seems to be appreciated either. Bridgeman was at port and st Clare Friday, and I think Gibson was reffing if you bothered to look at the refs roster

Absolutely sick to death of these posts. People saying these things, but what annoys me the most is these people that come on and say they understand how hard it is and such. You probably have no idea, unless you are reffing at anything below youth league div 1, to get to that point you need to be committed, and it has nothing to do with money, and it shouldn't. Sure it can be a good side bonus, but to get a decent referee you need them to be dedicated because they want to ref. Intrinsic motivation.

Tomatoes gonna tomate...

The money is a factor, especially for starter refs. Miniball $7-$10 a game and district $12 or so, whereas netball, which is infinitely easier and less running, starts at $20-$25 and quickly gets you $30 a game. Who will work for $7 a game? Hardly anyone.its a contemptibly small amount. Surprised its even legal.

If this 'shit ' keeps coming up why not address instead of ignoring. Shaking hands before a game is courteous and and have seen kids shaking hands with refs after a game regardless of outcome. These are simple standards in other states and show respect. Why not give it a try BSA.

#5003
Just what I expected from a ref.
all we ask is that you recognise and accept that people outside the ref community might actually be intelligent basketball people. But you haven't worked that out yet have you.

that is the problem, the lack of admittance from the powers that be there is an actually a problem
every night there should be a court supervisor that deals with the bitchy parents and making sure everything runs smoothly and a referee evaluator who just purely talks to refs about their development

i use to ref and saying that my training was refing every night of the week is not training considering i was never told by anyone i was making a wrong call or i need to do this differently
this would happen once every couple of months

this is the frustrations that coaches are having they are seeing refs struggle to umpire games and there is nobody telling them what they are doing wrong and they have nobody to whinge to
i am now a coach and it drives me insane that refs are doing a bad job and i cant talk to them and i cant talk to the court supervisor and i cant "report" them because it goes nowhere fast

Supercoach you are. But they're not listening! I think it's the head in sand syndrome. Oh but we are just talking sh#t and don't understand, don't know anything and aren't very intelligent people - about basketball that is.
#5003 - would really like to see you have the same crack at my new best friend Supercoach the same way you had a go at us others. But then Supercoach does have history and does understand. The silence will be deafening.

i doubt the refereeing of the district games is as bad as the refereeing of the social bball games. i once had a ref who was standing in the opposite end under the basket call me for a push in the back foul ( i was under the basket at the other end). the only guy in front of me was the other ref ( ten years old ). this was really common and quite affected my enjoyment of the game.

however..

when all is said and done those referees, no matter how shit they are were it not for them i wouldnt be able to play social basketball at all and would have missed out on so much joy.

even if i reckon i would be better at the job than them im not the one sacrificing my time for others to enjoy something special.

eh, its aggravating but its also hard to complain if your not willing to work to make it better yourself.

yeah there is shit all money in basketball, and anytime you have people doing something on-top of their work hours it's going to be hard to find extra time on that for them to do anything like training.

#5177
Read my first 2 posts.
Don't come in at the last minute and think I am anti ref. quite the opposite. I want them to get more support and better pay. The leaders off the court need to do more to keep refs wanting to be on the court.

Officiating basketball at domestic level is such a subjective position for all concerned.

How can we expect referees to be more consistent and professional, or improve their standards, if we don't respect what they do by giving them the sufficient training, feedback and incentive they require?

'Pay them peanuts and you will get monkeys'.
'Treat them like crap and you get....'.

Having said that, there is always a bad example that brings down the mob...

Last Friday night, for some unexplained reason, an official went for his drink bottle near the half court sideline at half time during a VC qualifying game of VJBL.

Not domestic, I know but wait for this...

He then poured water from his drink bottle over his shoes???

Water was left over about one square foot of the court, half a metre off the playing surface near the centre side line to be exact!

Parents were amazed and voiced their concern that it was dangerous to players as anyone running into it would end up in the seats and that the official needed to towel the water off.

He just ignored us and said it was off the court and of no concern, then walked away!

Somone went to the court supervisor and next thing you know the official spent 5 minutes rubbing his shoes over and over the water to dry it up. WTF???

Sometimes you just get a bad egg!

I have seen the same player at 2 different stadiums get a no foul for being pushed over the end court with the ball and at another away game got the foul for being on the bottom of a pack for pushing? The player was the guard with the ball ?
I dont know if that is bias against that Juniors colours ( I wont go into detail but its nothing to do with how good they were -thats def not it ) or is it mistakes

Saw 7 charges called in one game on friday night. The same umpired called a great number of charges in various games the weekend before at Whyalla Carnival.

you mean increased?

umpires in charge that sit around talking to their mate refs and not actually doing anything dont deserve a pay rise!

I have heard of ref's being told to crucify the team of a certain coach if he even looks at them funny.

He asked a question the other week and got tech fouled for it, didnt yell, didnt swear just asked. Then they wonder why he gives them no respect.

It goes both ways.

Heard another ref say if an assistant coach he didnt like even stood up he would tech him, assistant coach stood up while the coach was seated to talk to a player as he is allowed to do and got a tech!


Learn the rules and umpire by them dont make stuff up.

Umpires think they have a whistle and that allows them to do what they like. If someone asks a question answer it, if a foul is committed and you see it, call it, dont say its not my area when it is right in front of you!!

If someone abuses you Tech them

Good or bad we have no game without them. so suck it up and play or quit and shut up