Anonymous
Years ago

Where will Gary Ervin land?

I may be reading to much into this but I've heard he wants to come here, wright wants a playmaker, boti saying playmaker is certain/swingman a possibility so money spent on playmaker

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Isaac  
Years ago

ATF said that Weigh is unlikely to the Sixers or Hawks. Someone else can name the team he's signing with as I've been asked not to.

Could see two imports in Adelaide as a result.

Wollongong have a lower budget than even last year, so will need a high impact player to maintain results. Can't afford Ervin, however. If Wollongong don't keep Hurdle, Adelaide could do worse than pick him up and play a bit short at SF.

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jeric  
Years ago

Weigh to the 'Pans!

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The_Champ33  
Years ago

The Ervin to 36ers rumour has been floating around for months.

Ebi Ere would have received an offer from Joey Wright.

Wait and see what happens.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Isaac with weigh on the way out, could adelaide afford Ervin and a cheapish swingman? Budget would be the only thing holding Ervin to us back as I've heard he wants to come here.

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

CJ might get a look in at the Gong due to the budget if Gordie can't find a bargin from the states.

apparantly a few people have looked at Ferguson from Bendigo but no real takers as appparently NBL teams like Daly/Macdonald as best to PG's in the SEABL.

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Lock it in  
Years ago

Ervin is a 36er
Weigh is a Taipan
Wortho is a Tiger

Dunlap considering offer from Perth to coach the Wildcats

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Observer  
Years ago

I doubt if Ebi will play in NBL he is earning good money ATM,Ervin to Adelaide will all depend on money ,won't get hurdle he might be retained by hawks.

Interesting Dunlap considering offer to coach wildcats .that will be good if he can get the job after being sacked from the NBA.

Interesting times ahead,Joey will get two good imports for our team ,he has been given budget for imports so he knows what to do,he got good players to Brisbane and Gold Coast .

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Statsheet Stuffer  
Years ago

The title of this thread is misleading, needs editing.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Ervin to Melb
Wortho to Melb
Weigh to Cns
Hudson to Tsv
Broekhoff to Europe
Motum to Europe
Ellis to Per

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Location  
Years ago

Really surprised Sixers didn't give Weigh an offer. Feel like he didn’t think much of the 'team’ environment at the club though, so maybe he wouldnt have taken it anyway. I know he might not have had the most outstanding year, but there is a fair bit of pressure to get a 3 man that is A LOT better than Weigh. I think we may regret letting him go.

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POP  
Years ago

I know 'proven' is good, but I'd really like to see the 36ERs with a fresh face, and more size than Ervin offers, at the point.

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BJF  
Years ago

I agree on Weigh people forget he is quite young ( i think has just turned 25 this year) so has a good 4 + years ahead of him where i feel he will genuinely blossom into a premier NBL player.

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Mick  
Years ago

Yeah not sure if Ervin is a good fit in Adelaide. I think they need a bit of leadership from the PG. Someone who can run a team and get the whole offense in gear.

At around 5 foot 9, he's a bit of a liability on defense too, but the PGs in this league aren't exactly huge anyway.

He's obviously a one-man match winner when he's "on", though.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Weigh - Cairns
Worthington - Melbourne
Markovic - Melbourne?
Ervin - Adelaide?

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Robert Pack  
Years ago

No Way Stevie Weigh. wide open looks brick brick brick.

i could beat him in a 3 point contest

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Would love to see Ervin in 36ers colours, saw Tweets from Joey to both Ervin and Ere about next year,

possibly just banter between joey and Ere, but Joey was asking him to come back and Ere said email me, so who knows maybe there is some interest there.

Would love either of these guys, i doubt we could afford both, if i had to chose id take Ere as i think with Gibson and Cadee in the line up id use Ere as a sg/sf and play Gibson at Pg a fair bit, with a cheaper import combo guard to round out the guard rotation.

Looks very promising and exciting if we could get either Ervin or Ere,

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BJF  
Years ago

Weigh is 5th in the league 3p% for those that took more than 100 3's last season. Those above him are Forman , Corletto , Redhage and Crawford he was .2% behind Redhage who is considered a solid shooter



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A  
Years ago

- Can't afford Ervin, however. If Wollongong don't keep Hurdle, Adelaide could do worse than pick him up and play a bit short at SF.

You are joking aren't you Isaac!

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AK-47  
Years ago

I think letting Weigh go has alot to do with the development of Mitch Creek. I know he's coming off a pretty serious injury but from all reports he's healing up really nicely. Creek showed that he can be just as effective, if not more effective, than Weigh was despite having significantly less minutes and I expect a lot cheaper. Hopefully Mitch is using this time off to work on that corner 3 jumper!

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Isaac  
Years ago

A, not really. If we wanted an inexpensive combo guard who was a decent person and team player, Hurdle could work. Showed he can score and shoot well, plus made reasonable decisions. I think there are positives in picking the right guy rather than narrowing the field and trying to fill a very specific position.

When I said "play a bit short", I didn't mean play Hurdle as a SF, but it could mean more of a reliance on Creek at SF and he's not especially big. Unless they can afford a decent SF import too.

I would still prefer Gibson as PG and an import SG. I just didn't see the point of Cadee bringing it down and then deferring to him. Maybe coasting as a SG a bit spares energy for locking down an opposing guard.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Usually agree with Isaac but I don't think Hurdle is an NBL quality import. Maybe if he comes very cheap. I think there are better options out there.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I actually dont mind the Hurdle suggestion as the cheap 2nd import.

I would also play gibson at pg, hurdle sg, and get a stud import sg/sf Ebi Ere would be perfect, or someone of similar style/skill.

With Creek and Cadee rounding out the pg/sg/sf rotation, to me that would be very good and affordable.

Lets face it we are likely to have to get a cheap import, with a stud, may as get a guy who is decent at most things, a good showman at times and is known to be a good person around the league. His stats while not super star quality were solid, especially if he is on the cheap side. He is also young so could stick around for a few years and carve out a nice career in the NBL imo as i dont think he will get the big o/s offers, which is also a bonus. Hawks didnt struggle with him in the team, infact if he and the other starters didnt get hurt they would have made playoffs imo.

Sure if you have plenty of $$ to throw at a 2nd import then do it, but if need someone on the cheap then Hurdle would be ok to me.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Would be very keen on the 36ers getting Ervin but Hurdle isn't an NBL standard import and would rather take a chance on someone else.

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Statsheet Stuffer  
Years ago

Definitely would not put Hurdle at the 3 spot, Isaac.

Adelaide should get an import specialist 2 guard (Hurdle is almost perfect) and save the other spot for a big once Schenscher goes down.

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Gruff  
Years ago

I think Ervin would be a great fit in Adelaide and would like to see CJ come back as a swingman. Either that or Homicide in the Point. CJ would be excellent value for money and would thrive under the leadership of Wright. I believe he would be a 10 point player that would only cost the sixers 7 points. As long as we have 17 player points it could work.

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Grovermi$ter  
Years ago

after the way CJ was treated by the 36ers management would he want to come back? (Yes i know the orange headed clown had a lot to do with it and he isnt there anymore...but the other off court issues he was dealt with by the management could sway him away from returning...) i too would love to see him back used how he should be in a system that is attacking and works...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I would think that there would be multiple teams interested in CJ now that he is not an import

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I'm not that big on Ervin. Personally I think he's a tad overrated (really struggled when I saw him last year) and he brings no outside shot. An area we really struggled with. Which worries me even more with the talk of replacing Weigh with Creek in the starting 5

Schenscher, DJ, Creek, Gibson, Ervin...They would be fighting each other in the paint.
Although its probably dreaming, Ere>>>>>Ervin in terms of talent and need right now. Both would be amazing but unrealistic.

I also don't understand why we need a PG? I think Gibson is a very good Pg and Cadee is a very good backup.

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FYI  
Years ago

Massingale isnt a citizen he has obtained permanent residency , a big difference between the two

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psycho  
Years ago

He is a 7pt player regardless of nationality imo hawks would be an option

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yea Hawks should definatly get a SEABL type import on low wage, better than most of the available aussies going around.

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Ervin to Adelaide would be perfect! He a losing team stud with a checkered history. But Joey is the man to take that talent and turn him into a legit winner.

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KET  
Years ago

Wollongong weren't a losing team with Ervin

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psycho  
Years ago

I'm sure he was league MVP and lead hawks to playoffs a few years back, losing team stud ???

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Hawks didnt make playoffs with Ervin, that was the year before he got there.

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EC  
Years ago

Ebbi Ere? Already having Joey as coach and retaining Gibson, we'll have to change our name to Adelaide Bullets.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Just read Botys blog re imports he is suggesting get KB to scout someone out not necessarily from a big college.

I must admit i like Botis thinking, Ebi Ere, Chris Williams, Dusty Rychart are proof of guys not from big programs who have played NBL and been very successful, Dusty playing his whole career here, and was very very good and great value for money especially early in his career.

2 guys i have seen who could fit the bill are BJ Young and Marshawn Powell from Arkansas, both dont appear likely to be on NBA rosters or high draft picks and not sure either would get big offers elsewhere so could be a way of getting 2 good players at a good price. Arkansas is where Ervin went to college and saw a couple of games last season.

Young is a 6,3 scoring combo guard, averaged 15ppg in college, Ervin averaged 10ppg. Would be a decent scoring guard in the NBL imo. On the mock draft i saw is picked to be a late 2nd rounder, so unlikely to be on a NBA roster, so could be worth a look. Uses his speed and quickness to put points on the board, not a great outside shot, but ok. I think he would be a good fit along side gibbo in the back court.

Powell is a 6'7 forward, from what i saw he could play minutes at sf/pf and even pinch hit at C if required. A good long athletic guy, i reckon at worse he would be similar to Shane Edwards at best he could be more Chris Williams, to me he is the type of fwd who generally does well at NBL level. His college stats are similar to Williams, Powell 14ppg, 5 rbpg, 1 apg, Williams 14ppg, 6rbpg, 2 apg. in the games i saw he seemed to have a decent mid range game aswell as being able to get inside with his quickness and size. He isnt projected to be drafted so could possibly be very available and affordable for a NBL team. Most athletic guys of his size, athleticism and skill set typically do well in the NBL, Williams and Brooks to name a couple.

If we got these 2 guys, the other benefit would be they have played together before, and if they have a good relationship on and off the court it could be perfect. They also could be the types to stick around, not being from big schools or chased by NBA.

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Isaac  
Years ago

Usually agree with Isaac but I don't think Hurdle is an NBL quality import. Maybe if he comes very cheap. I think there are better options out there.
Hurdle averaged 11.3 PPG in a team that had scoring output from Deleon, Martin, Forman, etc. From what people have said, he was cheap. Shooting percentages were OK. His scoring output was ahead of fairly decent players in Abercrombie, Tragardh, Ballinger, etc. I'm not putting him up as a first import, but as an alternative to the cheap options usually mentioned like Massingale, Ferguson, etc. Wouldn't be quite that cheap, but not going to break budgets either.

He wouldn't wreck chemistry or play selfishly which are always underappreciated characteristics.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

We need a guy who wants the ball in his hands down the stretch and a guy who can deliver such as Gary Ervin. Face facts joey is bringing in an import pg as he did at the blaze why not bring in a proven guy.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Isaac,

Hurdle only shot 38.6% from the field last season.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Hurdle averaged 11ppg, 1 apg, 3 rbg, 39% fg, 36% 3pt in 27 min pg.

Gibson 11ppg, 5apg, 4rpg, 40%fg, 33% 3pt in 32 min pg.

Given Gibson is seen to be a star Aussie in the NBL, Hurdle must be considered atleast a half decent import, his numbers are not really that different. The Hawks were in the top 4 before he, Saville and Martin went down, so not exactly a bad player on a bad team or anything.

Sure you wouldnt break the bank to get Hurdle, but he is good option and likely to be good value for money if looking for a cheaper import.

The fact he is young, seen to be a good person and knows the league is also a bonus.

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Mystro  
Years ago

Hurdle can also jump where as Gibbo, not so much ;)

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Being able to jump is just about the only thing Hurdle can do.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Why all the Hurdle hate?

Sure he aint Cedric Jackson, but he is a solid enough import and a good pick up on the cheap imo.

Stats up well against Gibbo and any other Aussie guard, and would likely cost alot less than the good Aussie guards. I bet he earnt less than half of Gibbos wage last season and basically did aswell. How is that a bad player.

He wasnt the number 1 scoring option, could possibly score a bit more if he was, remember Deleon was there in the backcourt with him.

Also said to be a good guy who wont upset team chemistry, Hawks people seem to think very highly of him and with his athleticism and dunks could be a bit of an excitement machine at times and even put some bums on seats.

Pair him with Gibbo and a long athletic import stud forward (either a sg/sf or sf/pf, i could see benefits in going either way) and we have a good, potentially exciting winning team.

Not saying we have to get Hurdle but if we are looking for a cheap import guard he would be a good pick up imo.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Comparing Gibson and Hurdles stats shows a very limited understanding of what those guys bring to a team. Gibson contributes a lot that doesnt show for boxscore warriors.

But Hurdle is a good option if you want a value for money import at the 2. He is a solid player and citizen.

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Isaac  
Years ago

And if the words re Ervin's Crocs salary are true, a shitload cheaper.

That said, I also quite like Gary and don't think he'd be disruptive to a team. If the 36ers can get him for a fair price, great.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Exactly Isaac,

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Dazzman  
Years ago

Gary could land with the 36ers and I would be more than happy with that, however, Kevin Lisch is still Joey's prime target. Just a matter of crunching numbers but Kevin is asking alot.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Interesting re Lisch, would be a great signing,

If Lisch and Ervin are more or less the same price id probably take Lisch, but you cant lose by grabbing Ervin, Lisch is just a bit bigger and has a better outside shot.

If Lisch is significantly more costly id take Ervin, as i want them to sign a good, athletic sf aswell so wouldnt want signing Lisch to prevent this.

Either way cant lose, would be a great signing for the 36ers if they got either guy!

Best of luck to Joey and KB in singing 2 quality imports!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Can't say I would like us to sign Lisch doesn't offer much else if his shot isn't on which seems to be most games these days.

Ervin is twice the player he is and has a lot more strings to his bow.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Lisch for mine, contributes all over the court and a brilliant team man.

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Proud  
Years ago

Lisch is an outstanding defender (look at him make Deleon his bitch in the first hawks game at Perth Arena going into 3 quarter time) that was great to watch and if Lisch is shown to be on a different team than Martin then it will be shown that... If he lands on the 36ers roster then the deficiencies of team mates defence will just make Lisch look like he is worth every cent.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Other than that example I've never seen outstanding defence from Lisch, it's more Bevo's system that makes him and others look like great defenders.

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