Rodman for rebounds

Clutch factor Kobe Bryant? Umm I thought you were making the ultimate player, not the ultimate choker. Kobe has made a career out pf choking big games and being bailed out by guys like Gasol, Artest or Shaq. Kobe shoots 28% (!!!) in the last 24 seconds of a game when up/down 5 points. WOW. Kobe has a long list of missed game winners and choking away leads that NOBODY will ever match.

If you're looking to make the ultimate player, stay away from Kobe Bryant for clutch and choose someone else with a proven record who isn't a choker

Patty Mills

yawn Ingles, do we put Harden there instead?

Clutch : MJ
Defense : MJ
Ball Handling : Maravich
Rebounds : Rodman
Blocks : Olajuwon


Winning factor : Bill Russell

I would go with:

Clutch : MJ
Defense : Bill Russell
Ball Handling : Maravich
Rebounds : Rodman
Blocks : Olajuwon
Offense : Wilt Chamberlain
Athleticism : Lebron
Assists : John Stockton

Shaq should be the factor in size.

Height: Yao Ming
Speed: Iverson
Three point shooting: Ray Ray


Who's stopping a 7-6 pocket rocket with Ray Ray's outside skills? No one, that's who.

can't believe that no one has included Bird into anyone of the categories. Surely he would be up there for clutch, desire, and brain. A great all round ability at 6'9 with very limited athletisism. Found ways to win and make his team mate better. Suffered greatly from back injuries which also limited his career.

Kobe has hit many clutch game winning shots. When you say Gasol and Artest bailed him out is that the same way weddington and Kerr bailed out MJ?

Your such a hating grouch Ingles shut your mouth punk.

Harden is the GOAT IMO. Troll basher you are mean

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=bryanko01&match=single&year_id=&is_playoffs=&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=0&time_remain_seconds=24&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=&margin_max=&is_tying=Y&is_go_ahead=Y&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg#stats::none

Kobe shoots 24% (!!!!!!) in shots to tie or take the lead with 24 or less seconds left. WOOOW

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=hardeja01&match=single&year_id=&is_playoffs=&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=0&time_remain_seconds=24&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=&margin_max=&is_tying=Y&is_go_ahead=Y&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg

James Harden: 33%

An 11% difference. Lol @ people that believe the myth that Kobe is clutch. There are HUNDREDS of players in the NBA that are still more clutch than kobe.

Oh, and you're*. Learn to spell, kid.

You know you've gotten kids mad with FACTS, when they resort to posting under an extremely similar username to you. Gotta love how dumb lakers fans prove to be day after day.

Dirk: 39%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=nowitdi01&match=single&year_id=&is_playoffs=&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=0&time_remain_seconds=24&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=&margin_max=&is_tying=Y&is_go_ahead=Y&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg

Is that a large enough sample size?

Kobe = 24% Harden = 33% which is an 11% increase??


Wow, you are really showing some good maths skills there..

Don't let true figures get in the way of your story though ingles...

That is a MONUMENTAL difference. WOW

Ingles, for future reference, 33-24 = 9.

Just hard to take anything you say seriously when you constantly harp on about how good Harden is,or how bad Bryant is. Plus, your stats are incorrect.


Sorry for derailing though.
Agree with magpies, Bird should be in there, maybe for basketball I.Q.

The stats are 100% correct. Me saying 11% instead of 9% is a typo. I did not bring Harden into this thread. Someone else did. I was simply stating FACTS when other people are throwing around their biased opinions.

My facts > your bitter opinions

39% > 33% > 24%

Trash talking Gary Payton!

McHale in the post, Bird in the clutch.

Yes ingles but Kobe has had 17 years of getting the ball in the final seconds and it doesn't take a genius to figure out the degree of difficulty these shots are in the dying seconds when you're triple teamed. I bet Kobe has been in more clutch situations than you've had wanks ( and that's plenty ;) )

But a box score nerd like you only reads numbers and has no grasp on real basketball cause you don't even play.

My all time hero is MJ, I'm 33 and grew up loving the Bulls. The only reason I love Kobe is because he is the closest thing you are ever gonna see to MJ. FACT BITCH!

LeBron is an unbelievable talent and IMO a better all round player than Kobe but ffs shut your mouth man im sick of your hating, I dislike the Spurs and Duncan but have RESPECT for what they achieve.

You're just a punk with a keyboard with no fucking life.

Kobe will be talked about 200 years from now so eat a dick stat boy.

@Troll basher, you don't have to get so angry over FACTS. This thread was made to create the ultimate basketball player. The clueless op suggested Kobe for 'clutch' and I factually corrected him with plenty of data suggesting Kobe is extremely unclutch. Facts aren't hating. It's sad how far Kobe fanboys will go to decend their god, truly sad.

Prime Shaq covers many areas.

Prime Shaq is the only reason why Kobe was ever relevant

So ingles let's talk about what players have achieved without Kobe

Shaq- 1 title which was only achieved through D Wade
Countless trips to the playoffs jumping on every relevant team suns, cavs, celtics all coming up short, not even making the finals. Shaq got swept in Orlando do you remember?? Prob not in 94 you were 4yrs old.
Odom- done nothing without Kobe
Gasol- what is his playoff record without the Mumba?? Prob 2-15
Artest- until Kobe his biggest achievement was the rumble in the palace
Shannon Brown- yes that's it, who?? Don't know what team he is currently playing for off the top of my head
Vujacic- that's right I remember him. Is he even playing?
Bynum- ha ha. Next
Jordan farmar- who??

Basically all these players are very great full that the clutchness of Kobe Bryant was wearing the same uniform as them and it's not even debatable.

You lose again Ingles13

I should be a lawyer.

Typical Kobe stan straying from the point of this topic and bringing up irrelevant opinions. Keep stretching, bro. 0 FACTS = 0 CREDIBILITY

Ingles, you were posting while the game was on. What's up with that? You'd rather argue like a brat rather than watch an NBA finals game? Come on mate.

Can you seriously just answer the following question please:

Do you really believe what you are saying regarding Kobe and the Lakers being better without him?

33% > 24%

Kobe being in the clutch category should be a bannable offence on here

It's amazing how many of these categories I'd "settle" for Hakeem Olajuwon and Oscar Robertson, but surely your forgetting a very important category...

Health:

Who is the healthiest player of all time ie, fitness and injury free

AC Green - played approx 1100 straight games at one stage (from memory).

What about the "all-rounder" factor? I'd go Grant Hill