You could name the clubs, but it will just drive people the wrong way in the discussion.

HD, you bury a lot of stuff there.

First up, your club examples exist in all sports in my view. The difference may be that they are exemplified more in basketball because everyone generally comes to the one place to play so interaction in basketball between players, social teams, rep programs etc is far more intensive.

As for resourcing sports, there are probably only two sports that resource the way you talk about - AFL and cricket. Rugby league might in the northern states.

I remember saying to someone once just how much easier Demetriou's job is than Sengstock's. Almost all of that comes down to impetus and resourcing.

I agree basketball tends to pay its association and state level staff poorly - even relative to the revenues that its associations generate,

^ agree. Interesting as I hear there a few clubs battling at the moment off-court.

Its not about naming clubs, its about difference in $$$ between the sports and the professionalism. If you want to know what a CEO is worth for a big association 80-100k, $50-65k for medium and 40-50k for small or part time.

Your average footy league CEO ain't paid THAT much more than those levels - some wouldn't get to that, and their minions are poorly paid. An no one would be paid like that regionally in cricket because almost all cricket comps are volunteer administered.

However, an association like Knox or Dandenong is a much bigger and more complex business than a footy league. That is where the relevancy hits - with our association administrators, particularly those also managing stadiums, doing pretty poorly as a percentage of revenue.

I think most of the bigs are paying their CEO's more than that these days btw - i heard Knox's CEO was on 90k going back 5-6 years.

Knox might be paying a bit more but i must admit i was a little surprised by what the larger associations had to offer.Your right the local football associations dont pay great dollars but once you move past that stage it is a very different story. It is hard because the top administrators chase the big dollars.

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Dandenong is managed by basketball and primarily used for that - MSAC is not managed by basketball but its primary use is basketball.

Your average footy ground gets used for cricket. Not sure there is a huge problem with that.

HD - it would be interesting to know what the CEO's of the relevant state bodies are paid - I reckon the CEO of BV is a 220k job. Wonder what the CEO of AFL Vic receives.

HO i think you would be pretty close to the mark with those figures.AFL pays alot more. The one that shocked me were the sports scientists $350k.Nearly fell off my chair!!!

I have a friend in Sydney who is and hes always pulling his hair out in frustration.

Administration [management] is a genuine issue, but in all likelihood the real issue is likely to lie a little higher up the chain at governance [board] level.

The board sets the direction, tone, policies, objectives for the organisation. It also sets the salary scale and makes the senior management appointment/s.

Management will always struggle if the governance isn't right.

POP your right on the money about governance.AFL are spending alot on regional governance to make sure that the structures are right and the decision making is being done on a local level.Pouring more money in for resources and setting up 8 major administration hubs across Victoria

Governance is an issue. I know one association in Melbourne where the administrator of the assoc was also the president of the association.

I suppose that situation happens a bit when there is no governance sitting over the top of them.

Ho, you've got to be talking about Hawthorn and they would also be a candidate for Happy Days first example.

Anyway, I digress. It's a shame that there is no true governance framework that clubs need to comply with. You'd think if they were incorporated they would need some separation of power but it doesn't happen.

Not sure how you fix some of this because a lot of clubs are run by good people trying to do their best whilst having to fight against people pushing their own agendas.

Not sure it will change too quickly....

basketball ain't got shit on what I gotta deal with...

anon2, i was not talking about Hawthorn and the situation i was describing no longer occurs at that association and has not for some time. It was a smallish association.

Again though, the issues this brings up happens in every sport.

Its not uncommon for CEO's to have a vote on a board, often the constitution requires this. It is a impressive lack of governance that allows a CEO to be a President in a not for profit Australian association.