Anonymous
Years ago

state high performance manager

interesting to see that the position id advertised on the BSA website I was under the impression they were head hunting who they wanted...

75 k plus service vehicle and travel allowance

seems to be an ok deal

who can they land? cmon we need a big name hard worker who will improve and drive our high performance programs to be the best in the country! ...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

$75k ain't gonna get a BIG name.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

$75k, is that all? Not going to attract anyone of any quality with that little cash on offer!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Ease up turbo. 75 k plus super plus maintained vehicle and travel. Descent package for an australian basketball coach at any level.

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Lol  
Years ago

Anyone you get for that will be out as soon as they can get another NBL or similar gig.

I would think that this would be similar pay to an average teacher, less than a OSHC organiser and much less than an NBL coach with worse hours and less off season.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

#614, "ease up turbo"? Take it easy there champ.

$75k is peanuts for a job with that level of responsibility. You're already counting out most who'd be suitable because they are making far more than that working in other sectors. It's less than a Director of Coaching gig at some private schools.

It's not a decent package at all, unless you're comparing it to your Centrelink payment.

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,  
Years ago

less than teacher

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Anonymous  
Years ago

its a basketball coach admin position

I know for a fact some of thd bigger states head nitp coaches earn far less for basically the same position. the ais head coach position was only 98k when last advertised... to me seems like a reasonable package.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

teachers dont get cars

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Anonymous  
Years ago

616, love the Centrelink payment comment but I earn over double the amount offered for this role but had a laugh nonetheless.

I'm not sure they'd be looking to attract people outside the sector. This amount is inline with similar roles.

You really need to look at the market rates for similar positions to come up with an amount that you're willing to pay. You develop your job and person specs and select the best qualified person that applies for the position. Not necessarily a BIG name as someone above rather inelegantly suggests.

I'm not sure you'd compare this role to teaching or the Coaching Director at a school. I'm guessing that the kind of person they're after may or not have a sports degree of some description. Teaching, a degree is a requirement.

They'd be targeting someone that's either done a similar role in another state (the roles elsewhere are paid similar amounts) or worked as a coaching director in a big, successful rep program (probably fulltime for a lot less than even this amount). They'd want someone with proven experience and success at developing junior athletes for elite competition and credibility amongst coaches working at this level therefore someone with experience coaching state teams (a volunteer role), ideally they would have worked within the national program (where your paid a very small stipend).

To equate $$$ value to the quality of candidate they will attract is shortsighted and, well, a little simple. People get into these roles because they love the game, love working with up and coming talent, like the relative job security (compared to coaching a professional team) and yes maybe they will want to use it as a stepping stone to either the AIS or NBL/International program. Maybe they're heir to a vast inheritance so choose to go down this career path - who knows??

The package in this role is inline with what is available for similar roles in Australia but also not much less than a lot of NBL Coaches are paid.

My concern is how people try and use the fact the money in these roles aren't great compared to say a CEO to then degrade the often highly experienced and skilled people that secure these roles.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

75K + Super + Car + Plus travel etc.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Lucas
Ninnis
Stirling
Kinsmen
Smythe
Butler
Mescke
Pritchard


Who else??

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Anonymous  
Years ago

There is no way some of the people on that list would do it for that amount of money.

It'd be nice to think so, but no way.

Butler will get it so he can return home. Nothing surer.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yeah I think so as well. He would be very good, but he would be horrified with the SAC attitude and non performance.

But..saying that he would be one of the only ones to actually make the changes needed there.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Someone like Kinsman would be on $150k with his positions at Sandy and Rowville.

Ninnies and Stirling have never coached juniors, not been involved in junior development pathways nor coach development

Pritchard would be looking to be the next Lightning coach and Smythe would be a disaster. Lucas already is coaching a WNBL team.

You can't give it to Mesecke cause the clubs would be in an uproar.

You need to be head hunting guys like Damien Cotter or Paul Gorriss but I dare say BSA would have no idea who they are.

The role specifically refers to basketball experience. Over the past 5 year all the Itp head coaches from interstate have quit to make more money in government positions or other private sectors. People like Shane Froling and Marty Hanson have quit and Brenadan Joyce have gone to higher better paid positions.

You are left with the likes of Butler and Schuler who are not big names and will have cries of same old same old follow them.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I think anything double blue would cause an uproar. People think roles are all about money. To some the job is more important as long as they can survive. Also location - adelaide is not as bad as some people make out and to many is much better than living in dreary old Melbourne.

It can't hurt to get on the phone and ask some if these people. You may never know

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Why does it matter what club they're from?
The only uproar will be from those that really don't matter, who cares about an uproar. People want outcomes.

Most (6/8) of the best candiates on the list above have been at the Sabres at some stage. It makes sense that the most dominant and successful club over the past couple decades would have had some great coaches there.

It shouldn't matter in anyway what club they are from!!!! Pick the best person for the role, that's al that matters.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The best person on that list for this particular role is Kinsman. And yes he has some tenuous link to Sturt as a long time past coach and player but most would not link him to Sturt but more F/Ville, North and obviously Sandy. Was that him in TV assisting the NZ women's national team?

Obviously Stirling is the biggest name there but not sure she has the same all round experiences at all levels of basketball as some of the others. She would be great though

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anon  
Years ago

Umm interesting posts, shouldn't the SA position go to someone who has experience and credentials.
Kinsman has been involved in SA basketball as a player and coach for many years before coming over.

I believe he has had the following
1. AIS experience
2.State South Australian Country and Metro program experience
3. International experience

Not sure if he would go back considering the profile and respect he has earned here at SANDY!!

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PeterJohn  
Years ago

On the topic of salary/benefits being appropriate to the job or not, the following gives a sense of the market range, from a firm that specialises in sport sector recruitment:

"There is a substantial range of salaries for High Performance Managers with some roles over the past 12 months exceeding $250,000 per annum. The typical salary range for a High Performance Manager in a State Sporting Organisation is $50,000 to $70,000 and for a National Sporting Organisation is $80,000 - $100,000 per annum."

(http://www.sportspeople.com.au/?Page=2759)

On that basis, this looks like a good package for a small state like South Australia.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Thanks peter john.... facts are great love when people use reasoning and intellectual argument... I think it would be good if everyone is more positive about the change for SA basketball.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

PeterJohn, that's all fine, but the fact remains that it is not much money. A lot of the best people for such a job are making a lot more money in the private sector, not necessarily in basketball.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

^ pretty sure you repeated yourself, but reality is this is Basketball in SA it's getting towards the bottom rung of Basketball Australia or sports in Aus in general so the money is pretty well on the mark. Considering the expectation for SA and the support structure I'd say if anyone could achieve results and deliver high benchmark KPI's would be stepping on a lot of toe's and causing all sorts of knife in back changes. Probably not worth the money.

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Hoop God  
Years ago

I believe a very reasonable package considering includes (car, issuance, petrol, servicing etc - at least $30 000?), travel to U/16 and U/18 Nationals, accommodation , expenses? and probably OS coaching tours/trips every couple of years. Maybe some one out of State who hasn't been caught up in local basketball politics would be appropriate.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

need someone with new ideas and to completely revamp the culture e.g. like Watkins has done in NSW

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Lol  
Years ago

car packages are worth less the $15K

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Anonymous  
Years ago

And the packages are worth zero to the "bottom line"! Travel, car etc. are part of the job! When you travel interstate for work, work pays for it!

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