LC
Years ago

2014 World Cup: Australia vs Korea

The opening day of play at the 2014 FIBA World Cup for men is now over.

For Australia, they were outplayed by a red-hot Slovenia in going down 80-90 in Gran Canaria. They now need to bounce back less than 24 hours later as they take on a Korean team that is also looking for their first win after falling to Angola 69-80.

Preview now up on PnR:

2014 FIBA World Cup: Boomers look to bounce back against Korea

I predict Boomers by 8.

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mystro  
Years ago

The Boomers should win this one comfortably if they play smart.
Australia by 14.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

We really shouldn't be troubled by Korea - Boomers by 13.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Hopefully Baynes is alright and Delly & Bairstow need to step up too.

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Steven  
Years ago

Playing it safe with margin boomers by 13.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Boomers by 2

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LanceUppercut  
Years ago

Should they rest Baynes for this game?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I'd consider it but certainly wouldn't waste him against Lithuania we're not going to beat them anyway so save him for the games we have to win against Mexico & Angola.

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paul  
Years ago

Baynes was just cramp.

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GWB  
Years ago

I love the optimism "I wouldn't waste him against lithuania we aren't going to beat them anyway" etc.

We weren't meant to beat Russia at the last olympics, we did.

We werent meant to be Lithuania the tourny beforehand. Did.. by 30 plus points.

Australia are a funny team like that. We win what we should lose, and lose what we should win.

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Tom  
Years ago

When is this game on TV

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"We weren't meant to beat Russia at the last olympics, we did.

We werent meant to be Lithuania the tourny beforehand. Did.. by 30 plus points."

Both those games were dead-rubbers for Russia and Lithuania. They were assured of finishing first in the group win or lose. They literally had nothing to gain from winning.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I don't think GWB realises that.

Tom the game is tonight 9:25pm EST on ABC 2.

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Tom  
Years ago

Thanks Anon

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Benno  
Years ago

Really need to smash Korea get some more confidence in the boys! Hopefully bubbles gets some more minutes!

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GWB  
Years ago

Anonymous. Yes, I do realise that. Both games were the last game of pool play, correct? I don't believe that teams of the calibre of Russia and Lithuania decide to play 'half assed' and not try for ANY game. They are still noteworthy wins.

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AussiePride  
Years ago

Agree with you Benno. It is all about confidence and getting a run going. We need to get Bairstow, Gibson and Goulding involved as much as possible tonight. Every player in the 12 is required. Although have we written off Jawai?

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Benno  
Years ago

@AussiePride Jawai should be cheering from the stands! What were we honestly thinking though? he isn't even close to being 100% heck id be surprised if he was even 70% fit

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Anonymous  
Years ago

the best team to put out on the floor is simply:

Delly, Broekhoff, Ingles, Motum, Baynes.
with straight swaps of
Exum, Goulding, Newley, Bairstow, Anderson.

Jawai and Gibson being useless. Should have had martin with 1 of Ogilvy or Neville.

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GWB  
Years ago

I wouldn't say Gibsons been useless. When they sub Delly off for Gibbo the standard of play didn't exactly dip. Thats not to say that Gibbo is as good as Delly.. Just that he is adequate in spots.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Martin's not international standard.

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Benno  
Years ago

I thought gibson came in and controlled the tempo quite well last night. Delly was all over the shop while gibson was really poised!

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paul  
Years ago

The bagging of Gibson is ridiculous. In the past he hasn't performed well, but anyone watching closely can see he has developed his all-around game the past two years at Adelaide.

When he comes on the floor he gets the ball moving and most importantly he gets the ball to the post. I'd love to see a stat on low post touches when Gibbo is on the floor.

On Saturday he had an open three but waited, directed Baynes to post up, fed him the ball and then Motum gets an and-one from the resulting double team. Quality point guard play and he's been solid through the whole tour.

I don't have a problem with people who question his play in previous years, but he deserves to be judged on what he is doing this year, good or bad.

The quick Korean guards will be a test for him tonight, that's for sure.

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OzD  
Years ago

I am at the tournament so can try to answer any questions that are not covered on the ABC coverage back home.

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LanceUppercut  
Years ago

What's the atmosphere like at Gran Canaria?

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LC  
Years ago

Just over 1 hr until game time. Tune into Ch22 now for Double Dribble.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

After the first episode last night I'd suggest not tuning in for Double Dribble!

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paul  
Years ago

Atmosphere is pretty good. Slovenia had plenty of fans and the locals are right behind Australia thanks to Brad Newley.

Newley hit a three yesterday and the court announcer called it for Dellavedova, and a couple of local journos sitting next to me went ape until it was corrected!

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anthak  
Years ago

does anyone know where the game will be streamed?

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LC  
Years ago

Livebasketball.tv.

Streams working well tonight

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anthak  
Years ago

was hoping for a free one

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paul  
Years ago

Do a search for basketball live streaming, who knows what you might find?!

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anthak  
Years ago

thanks. yeah, havent found 1 yet, but maybe in 5 min something will come up...

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Mick  
Years ago

"there's the man that killed us last night, Goran Drakovic"

Nice one Phil Smyth...



And agree Paul: Gibson has been terrible in the past for Aus but since that first warm-up game he has been nothing but solid and the jitters of the past are nowhere to be found. Knows where to get the ball.

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Mick  
Years ago

Man, Delly needs to leave those floaters in Cleveland. He's throwing them up over guys he has a size advantage over...

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Hendo8888  
Years ago

They need a translator for one of their starting 5 players (Moon).

Also... Broekhoff has a very nice shot on him. Started hot last night and again today.

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Mick  
Years ago

Australia playing way too safe early inside. Bigs looking to kick out at the first opportunity when their initial move doesn't produce a look, instead of going to a counter.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

What we have learned from the World Cup so far:

- Broekhoff and Ingles should be playing in the NBA
- Spurs should be worried, Baynes stock is soaring

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Mick  
Years ago

Yeah Baynes is playing this world cup like a "contract year".

It's great for us because he's got a mean streak that no one else really has.

Also, can someone confirm or deny whether Cam Bairstow's blonde streaks in his hair are natural or salon-added...because it's going to make a big difference between whether I can get behind him or throw him into the David Anderson basket.

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Hendo8888  
Years ago

The ladder... 2 points for a win, 1 for playing?
Why not just give a point for the win?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Surprised South Korea's one former NBA player in Ha Seung-Jin isn't playing they could certainly use his height at 7'3"!

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Ballislife  
Years ago

Half time commentators mentioned James Harden plus great defence....... Is that a joke or????

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paul  
Years ago

Korean coach has his duds on, this could get ugly!

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Mick  
Years ago

Nathan Jawai looks like he's some kind of extracurricular team employee or a retired, bloated, ex-player assistant coach on the bench over there...

Get that man on a treadmill if he's not gonna see any burn.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

We're just too big for them. They can't do anything about Baynes.

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Mick  
Years ago

@ballislife:

Same commentators also said earlier, "Australia is bringing a really small team to this year's world cup. They will really be missing the size that they normally bring to these tournaments..."

Maybe that's why Goran Drakovic killed us last night...? We had no rim-protection...

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Mick  
Years ago

Man we are so awful at making simple, effective passes in situations where we have a numbers advantage, whether in an isolated portion of the floor in the half court (say a big is double teamed and a baseline cutter whose defender got sucked to the big is wide open heading towards the rim) or a simple 3-on-2 fast break.

Good teams make you pay for that because they're the easiest baskets you're going to get all night and we turn those gimmies into turnovers as often as we score off them.

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Mick  
Years ago

Chris Goulding: I love everything about your whole wacky scene -- the same way I love everything about Swaggy P -- but please don't ever do a 360 degree turn when you are defending a ball carrier in the backcourt.

The South Koreans wont make you pay, because they really aren't very good at playing basketball, but if you do that against anyone else they're going to put you in a youtube clip that you will never be able to get rid of.

This is under 12s shit. Come on.

Most NBL players will burn you if you pull that crap.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

This is ugly.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Jawai has been impressive in limited time tonight. Some very nice passes.

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PlaymakerMo  
Years ago

Nate Jawai's passing from the post is just pretty to watch. Such a shame he may not earn himself meaningful minutes during the tournament.

So happy to see Exum finish a fast break. I was losing faith in him after his second quarter piss-weak layup attempt (that was comprehensively denied).

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PlaymakerMo  
Years ago

Nice finds underneath by Exum leading to easy buckets for the bigs.

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twenty four  
Years ago

Exum is terrible. Not sure what anyone sees in him at all....

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Mick  
Years ago

Good to see us dominate comprehensively, but there's not much you can really take from beating a team that might struggle to win a game in the NBL...

It's pretty worrying that their big guy pretty much blocked every Australian player at one point or another. We have to finish with more aggression. Guys have to want to put people on posters, and i'm not seeing that nasty streak that you need to beat those top teams. You gotta make people scared to challenge you.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Great to see Outback Shaw testing the springs....

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Shaq that should be....

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joshuapending  
Years ago

Nice to get some of the rotation guys some minutes.

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Mick  
Years ago

Phil Smythe really has no idea what he is talking about, like, at all.

"All of these guys play MAJOR MINUTES at their respective club levels so it's really going to take a while for them to adjust to playing smaller roles in this boomers team..."

Meanwhile in reality land, all of our go-to guys are role players on their club teams, and the big adjustment is the exact opposite: we have guys who are used to playing conservatively in small minutes at the club level who are now thrust into high-usage positions and need to take uncharacteristic risks in order to eke out efficiency through aggression in unfamiliar starring roles.

Goran Drakovic...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Jawai looked alright in his limited minutes and was genuinely surprised he can still dunk easily most of the time looks like he can't jump anymore.

Some of those passes down low were sweet too.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Some very nice drive and dishes from exum. He needs to do that when it counts. His
Court vision and passing are too shelf.

Ingles playing like a boss as usual.

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anthak  
Years ago

@24, Exum is v young still. Lots of potential. He's quick. Needs to improve, but should do.


Jawai was ok offensively, but too slow in D...


I wasnt watching ABC. Very funny to hear they were saying Harden plays D lol (although I see he snared a few steals in game 1, was prob cause he'd lost his own man haha)


Not much we can take from this Korea game IMO. Gee, Korea were not good. Hopefully its a confidence booster for some players, but I reckon they'll have to play more solid against better teams.

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Lance_Uppercut  
Years ago

Good to get a win.

One area that may be overlooked is the lack of 3pt attempts by the Boomers in these two games. i think it will hinder the boomers if the boomers good shooters aren't utilised on offence. Perhaps it's a focus on interior offence or a lack of ability to get shooters open but the Boomers have averaged just 13.5 shot attempts from 3 so far whereas most good teams (Lithuania, argentina, slovenia, spain, france etc) are averaging between 20-24 3 point shot attempts per game so far at this WC.those 7+ shot attempts will make a big difference.

Australia has shoot the ball well from 3 but they don't seem to be able to make getting good shooters good looks part of the offence, but they will need to find ways to get Broekhoff and Goulding looks if they are to seriously contend at this WC.

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Mick  
Years ago

Lance on the money. Broekhoff seems like he's getting shots off unorganized kickouts and breakdowns and nothing more. Let's have him run off a few screens and actually feature him as a legit threat. Not gonna beat anyone of note without scoring big from deep. 13 attempts from 3 makes it really hard on ourselves.

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PlaymakerMo  
Years ago

You make a good point, Lance. Lemanis has placed emphases on penetration in transition, getting through their sets, then penetration in late shot clock situations in an attempt to flush out ill-advised jumpshots. 'Shot selection' is key.

The theory is sound, but you can tell guys like Ingles, Newley and to some extent Delly are hesitant to bomb away for fear of going outside the team's philosophy.

Knowing which shots the coach wants you to take can only come with consistent emphasis. Given this is just the beginning of Lenanis's tenure, in-game passiveness is understandable, but not desirable given the need for immediate results.

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PlaymakerMo  
Years ago

I should clarify: Lemanis isn't against shooting threes. But the expected point value of a partially contested three pointers - particularly in transition - are low, and inhibit the offenses ability to draw fouls, force the defense to help and recover etc.

E.g. open threes 8-16 seconds into the shot clock from someone like Broekhoff is a darn good shot.

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LC  
Years ago

Big win by the Boomers.

Recap now available on PnR, including Video of Ingles 5-points in just a few seconds.

2014 FIBA World Cup: Korea prove no match for the Boomers

The Australian Boomers have defeated Korea 89-55, a much need morale-boosting win in their second match of the 2014 FIBA World Cup. With this victory, they look to get their campaign back on track after dropping their first match of the tournament. Forward Joe Ingles took it to Korea early in the match and would lead the Boomers with 17 points on 7/8 shooting, while Aron Baynes again contributed with 13 points and 10 rebounds.

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GWB  
Years ago

The Boomers sorely lack discipline in many very basic areas, such as boxing out, defensive intensity and offensive identity. The Slovenian coach was right when he said the Australian offence plays without purpose. Against Korea we should have been clinically exploiting mismatches from buzzer to buzzer and defensively, Korea should never have been able to amount a charge at us - but they did, multiple times. So while Lemanis is standing there, big grin on his face, happy with the effort of the guys, I think a better coach would have been disappointed by the way they played. Both teams played terribly, but it just so happens Australia on sheer personal talent and size alone are insurmountably better than Korea. The scoreline looks nice, but I feel we could have doubled it if we had any clue what we are doing on either end of the floor. I am worried for the remainder of the tournament - a Boomers team that plays this way will NOT get anywhere near a medal.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Korea made one run mid way through the first quarter..

Do you have any kind of respect to for our opponents?


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GWB  
Years ago

Its not about 'respect', this is about how Australia SHOULD be playing. No offence to Korea.. but they are not a team that should be giving us trouble even for a quarter. They are a team that would struggle to win in the NBL on a good day, and thats just what it is. They are a country that hasn't seen much competition, and with more of it eventually they will rise up, but no.. Korea shouldn't trouble Australia any more than the lowest ranking SEABL team should. The fact that we had a few issues with them should be seen as concerning.

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Camel 31  
Years ago

we rested our best players, ran the bench. while we even manufactured something so our worst player,at this game could get one in at the end, so that everyone scored.

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Wild Goose  
Years ago

Did anyone else find it strange that in the time Jawai was on the court he constantly established post position about three feet from the basket but nobody ever passed it in. I can only remember him getting it on one post up.

Also was it just me but the Korean's ran a simple screen at the top of the key about one hundred times and every time they got an open three. The Australian's were never able to fight around the screen or more simply just switch defenders to cover the three.

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paul  
Years ago

As a comparison Russia beat a very similar Korean team by 35 at the 2012 OQTbefore going on to win bronze in London. Some people are being too picky, Korea play an unorthodox style and make it scrappy, the Boomers took care of business and now move on to Lithuania.

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LC  
Years ago

Sanity will prevail...

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