Anon
Years ago

#35725

How many Rep comps ban parents from training?

Is it common place?

What are the pros and cons & the real reasons behind it?

Most parents don't want to go in, but being told you can't is probably the worst thing they could do.

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coach
Years ago
21:24 22 Oct 14

Reply #499252

re: How many Rep comps ban parents from trianing?

I like parents to attend. It shows they are interested. It lets them see "what a good program" you are running and gets them onside.

As a coach you need the support of the parents as well as the players to have a successful season.


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Jack Toft
Years ago
21:38 22 Oct 14

Reply #499254

re: How many Rep comps ban parents from trianing?

Well said.

Banning parents just sets up unnecessary barriers and actually portrays the coach as having people issues, a lack of respect, or a lack of self confidence. It portrays the coach as having a secret agenda they are unwilling to share with others, or an inability to effectively interact with others.

I have seen coaches like this before who cannot interact effectively with the stakeholders around them. God knows how they actually function in a workplace dealing with people.


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Anonymous
Years ago
21:45 22 Oct 14

Reply #499255

re: How many Rep comps ban parents from trianing?

Pros and cons for closed try outs, well there is a question that is sure to evoke plenty of debate.

I couldn't see too many people agreeing on one or the other, it will be mixed. I have been on both sides at rep try outs, selector/coach and parent.

If closed try outs are so parents don't argue about who didn't make a team, wrong, that doesn't work.

If it is to make people feel like they are not trusted to watch and the coaches appear to be snobs, yes, there is an element of this for sure.

If it is to just avoid parents and questions until try outs are over and teams selected, then yes, again that one works a treat.

There could be a number of other reasons, I for one don't think either way is better than another, however closed sessions for rep' smack of a lack of self confidence in the coaches (perhaps fearful of any criticism) and it builds an appearance of hiding something on the Association's behalf.


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Bear
Years ago
08:24 23 Oct 14

Reply #499282

re: How many Rep comps ban parents from training?

Concensus at an Association that has recently started doing this (closed sessions at try-outs) is that the coaches love it, but the parents miss being able to watch or at least have the choice to do so, the kids don't care either way...


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Anonymous
Years ago
09:01 23 Oct 14

Reply #499291

re: How many Rep comps ban parents from training?

If it wasn't the norm for parents to put undue pressure on their kids, overanalyse the game with their gkids, coach from the sidelines and often become abusive when their kids don't make a team they thinkg they should have then this wouldn't be good.

Jack the game is about the PLAYERS. NOT their parents and NOT the coaches. As you seem to be someone that I doubt has played outside of their local domestic league I doubt you really, truly understand what this means.


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Anonymous
Years ago
09:15 23 Oct 14

Reply #499293

re: How many Rep comps ban parents from training?

Which clubs are banning parents?


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Anonymous
Years ago
09:20 23 Oct 14

Reply #499294

re: How many Rep comps ban parents from training?

Geelong started it two seasons ago.


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Anonymous
Years ago
10:27 23 Oct 14

Reply #499303

re: How many Rep comps ban parents from training?

It appears that most the comments are referring to tryouts. So to add my $.02 worth.

There should be nothing to hide from parents throughout tryouts, or training sessions over the season. That being said, there there are many benefits of not having parents courtside during tryouts.

It is natural for parents to want to see how their children are performing and/or progressing. Parents should be welcome to observe tryouts however they should not be distraction to the player trying out. All coaches would have seen over enthusiastic parents trying to provide coaching to their children during tryouts and most have even seen parents harass coaches during tryouts.

The club in which my children play at do not allow parents courtside, however, the parents are quite welcome to sit in the higher areas of stand or the canteen area. To be honest it seems to be an excellent system. Parents can see and the players are not distracted.


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Well Read
Years ago
12:11 23 Oct 14

Reply #499317

re: How many Rep comps ban parents from training?

"If it wasn't the norm for parents to put undue pressure on their kids, overanalyse the game with their gkids, coach from the sidelines and often become abusive when their kids don't make a team they thinkg they should have then this wouldn't be good."

Not that I do so, but that's about as good a reason to lock out parents as ever.


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Anonymous
Years ago
12:26 23 Oct 14

Reply #499319

re: How many Rep comps ban parents from training?

This post is becoming a little bit parents v coaches as it was always going to end up like. Poor kids, the sandwich in between!

It is such a shame that one or two always seem to wreck it for the majority though. I wouldn't think there are many bad parents, also there are many more great coaches than problem ones out there.

Better to educate and make sure everyone understands what is accepted and what is not than a blanket ban.

As a parent I would not like to be labelled as not worthy of watching my kid try out or part of a percvieved problem; But if an Association has a poor track record of problem parents I guess this is how they see resolving the issue!


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Anonymous
Years ago
15:42 23 Oct 14

Reply #499341

re: How many Rep comps ban parents from training?

I'm a parent and I think not having parents at tryouts is a great idea, great if they can watch from viewing gallery or outside the crts, but having them inside does distract a lot of kids as they look to their parents either for guidance or anticipating the criticism . But I think parents should be welcome at general trainings, there they can get to know other parents, and form friendships but they should all realise that they are NOT the coach and should keep their conversations away from the subject of basketball if possible.


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anon
Years ago
20:38 23 Oct 14

Reply #499384

re: How many Rep comps ban parents from training?

Parents are banned from watching training at Kilsyth. The teams have been selected.
Some great responses above. I think the worst thing is being told you cant do something, most parents dont go in or care whats done, but some just enjoy seeing how their child and the team are developing.
Also many parents are domestic coaches and take the opportunity to watch and learn.
There is absolutely a lot of insecurity in this descision.
They risk alienating the parents who fund the programme.


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Anonymous
Years ago
21:50 23 Oct 14

Reply #499398

re: How many Rep comps ban parents from training?

As a parent i think it is good for parents to be able to watch. If i do not like the coaching style then i will move on. I suppose the coaches that do not want the parents to drive the kids to training will come and pick them up from their home.


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Anonymous
Years ago
09:01 24 Oct 14

Reply #499435

re: How many Rep comps ban parents from training?

Yeah, don't treat parents like crap until they act in a manner which sees them deserve it I say!


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Anonymous
Years ago
11:09 24 Oct 14

Reply #499460

re: How many Rep comps ban parents from training?

435, you don't get it! It's not about the parents. It's about the players.


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Anonymous
Years ago
11:32 24 Oct 14

Reply #499469

re: How many Rep comps ban parents from training?

No, it's all about the parents dreams. Just ask them...


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coach
Years ago
12:14 24 Oct 14

Reply #499477

re: How many Rep comps ban parents from training?

parents at rep trials is also OK with me.
Rep teams are best announced days latter on the club website at 5.00pm on a Friday. That gives people who missed out, the wkend to "let their anger" die down before confronting the club.

It also prevents scenes in front of players as happens when teams are announced at the conclusion of the last trial.


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Anonymous
Years ago
13:27 24 Oct 14

Reply #499489

re: How many Rep comps ban parents from training?

As a coach I welcome the parents there. From a OHSW perspective it gives me support when injuries occur; it protects me from situations that can be misconstrued ( think mandatory reporting); it gives me other "coaches" that I can use to pass balls, watch for things etc; it allows me to find team managers/assistant coaches quickly; it tells the kids that they are being supported.....the list goes on. You would have to be pretty insecure as a coach to not be comfortable with an audience.


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Anonymous
Years ago
13:29 24 Oct 14

Reply #499490

re: How many Rep comps ban parents from training?


"parents at rep trials is also OK with me.
Rep teams are best announced days latter on the club website at 5.00pm on a Friday. That gives people who missed out, the wkend to "let their anger" die down before confronting the club.

It also prevents scenes in front of players as happens when teams are announced at the conclusion of the last trial."

A lot of the joy went out of coaching for me when they stopped us from seeing the quivering bottom lips and the broken hearts when you read out that cut list at the end of trials....haha....just kidding.

Parents are always welcome at my training sessions, as long as they confine their activities to drinking wine and eating cheese & bikkies up in the stand. Or running a clock if I ask them to. Anything beyond that results in a polite conversation, once only, which stops the problem.


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MELHOOPS
Years ago
14:49 24 Oct 14

Reply #499497

re: How many Rep comps ban parents from training?

Its a great idea. Lets the coaches, assistants, director of coaching disucss players, team make up, team needs, etc. without the need to worry about parents over hearing comments.

It also helps many of the kids concentrate on pleasing the coaches rather than overbearing parents.

Communication with parents can and should take place in a meeting room away from the players throughout the tryout process.


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Anonymous
Years ago
16:36 26 Oct 14

Reply #499859

re: How many Rep comps ban parents from training?

Excluding parents from try outs is a worrying sign of the over importance the head of coaching places on him/herself, and the culture and program they are in charge of.

Get over yourselves, the most important thing you do is provide an inclusive welcoming environment. If you can't communicate with parents in an open, positive way you are in the wrong job.


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Anonymous
Years ago
20:25 26 Oct 14

Reply #499876

re: How many Rep comps ban parents from training?

859, it's ALL about the players. You don't seem to get this.


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Anonymous
Years ago
22:00 26 Oct 14

Reply #499889

re: How many Rep comps ban parents from training?

Anon^ do you want to explain for us what you mean by your comment, it's ALL about the players?

Players don't care either way, so why is it about them?

Parents are not all bad, so why paint them all with the same brush?

Care to explain what you are on about in some detail??


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Anonymous
Years ago
22:10 26 Oct 14

Reply #499891

re: How many Rep comps ban parents from training?

Yes #499876, your comment is a pile, do you have anything to contribute?


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Anonymous
Years ago
10:20 27 Oct 14

Reply #499927

re: How many Rep comps ban parents from training?

891, no. I don't. That is it.


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Bear
Years ago
10:22 27 Oct 14

Reply #499930

re: How many Rep comps ban parents from training?

@Anon #927 are you posting here as a coach or parent?

Curious...


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Anonymous
Years ago
21:33 27 Oct 14

Reply #500062

re: How many Rep comps ban parents from training?

I am a parent at Geelong and loved the idea of the closed try outs. It's a practice session where people/coaches with years of experience can just do their thing. Geelong even had music blaring while the kids were scrimmaging, they loved it. Now that the teams are in place, everyone is welcomed at practices and their hashtag of #supercatsfamily is obvious with all the smiles around the place.
Geelong is getting it right for sure.


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Anonymous
Years ago
17:25 28 Oct 14

Reply #500247

re: How many Rep comps ban parents from training?

@ I am a parent at Geelong and loved the idea of the closed try outs. It's a practice session where people/coaches with years of experience can just do their thing

1.Practice ? it is meant to be a try out. Are the Teams already picked before Try Outs ?.

2. People, who are the people ?

3. Music blarring at a Try Out , are you kidding me.

#gonemade


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