Anonymous
Years ago

Jamar Wilson factor

I think the 36ers play much better when Jamar Wilson doesn't make himself as big of an offensive option.

We're 5-10 on the season taking out the two games he missed when we went 1-1 so 4-9 with Wilson in those 4 wins he's averaged 15.3ppg. In the 9 losses he's averaged 19.4ppg and that includes the game he got injured and only scored 6 points. If you exclude that game then he averages 21.1ppg in our losses.

Yes, an argument has to be made that he sees the offence drying up when we're losing and takes it upon himself to try and score but I think there is a fair bit more to it than that.

15.3ppg vs 19.4ppg or 21.1ppg

We play better when the offensive load is being shared.

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Kobe24  
Years ago

What I've been saying.

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Samuel  
Years ago

Why does everyone see this but the "EXPECT" Boti Nagy says nothing about it.
Im telling you even if Jamar did not play we would have more wins than we have right now.

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Samuel  
Years ago

Expert

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Anonymous  
Years ago

No need to talk about it as it is fact and known to anyone who is at the games and looks at what is not happening. Stats do not tell the whole picture.

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joshuapending  
Years ago

I think this is the source of a lot of people's frustration with him. Everyone seems to see it but the coach. Late in the game just give it to Gibbo and let Wilson play off the ball, he will still get shots just other people will provide more options for us.

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Marcus Camby  
Years ago

Wilson is not the perfect player.

However take out Wilson and the Sixers would probably only have 3 of the 5 wins so far and be challenging for the Spoon.

Yes he has some traits that are less desirable, but he is the ONLY one that pushes and keeps the defence honest.

Gibbo, whilst capable of such play, is very on and off, and more often than not seems disinterested.

Are there better point guards in the league? Yes.

Are there better point guards in the league and at his prince range? I don't believe so.

Please be appreciative of what you have.

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Im not going to be appreciative of a poorly recruited import. Who do you think you are! No way he has done a thing that has been the difference in wins for this team. He is detrimental to the offensive flow, and big factor for Gibbos inconsistency. He is cheap for reason!

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Marcus Camby  
Years ago

He is the only one that tries to push the ball and keep the defence on their toes.

If not for Wilson, this team would be settling for jump shots, Gibbo's shit house floaters and Motums Euro-step that steps away from the basket.

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Dazz  
Years ago

If you're going to look at stats (as the OP has done) perhaps look at the attempts rather than shots made.
If the other scorers are still putting up the shots, but shooting badly, that lends itself to the "he takes it on himself when other fail" explanation.
However if their shooting remains consistent, but they are just getting less shots, then that suggests he is failing as playmaker.

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paul  
Years ago

I love how the focus is on scoring when the 36ers' biggest issue all season, by a mile, has been defensive breakdowns.

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Kobe24  
Years ago

He is a bust as far as what this team needs. Keeps them on there toes.... please he jacks it inside of 4 seconds of the shot clock or dribbles at the top until 4 seconds left.... The only team on its toes on defines is the 6ers as they try to get back on D after anther ill advised Wilson attempt.

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Hendo8888  
Years ago

Would have only won 3 of the 5 we won?
Friday night... We were winning easily, until he started trying his heroics and brought them back into the game. Would have won by more if he wasn't there.
Melbourne game... He went 4/10 from the field. 4 turnovers. I wasn't there, but in a game we won by 13 points, I struggle to see how he was the reason we won.
NZ game... He wasn't even there. (Best we've played all year, which furthers the idea that we're better off without him).
Wollongong game... Won by 21 points. He had 14, only 3 assists. Nope, he didn't win us that game.
Townsville game... We won by 13, he scored 17, on 5/13 shooting. Had 2 assists, shot worse than anyone who scored more than 7 points. He had 9 of his points in the last 4 mins, when we were already 11 points up. So you could argue he made sure of the win, or you could argue we'd already put ourselves in a position to win it. Let's call this one a maybe, but more than likely still a win.

So no. He hasn't won 2 of our 5 games for us. Don't make throwaway comments like that, when you know you have people here who will go back and call you on it.

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Hendo8888  
Years ago

Assist:Turnover ratio: 5.3:3 Very poor for a point guard.
Shots vs assists: 14 shots to 3 assists.

In our wins, he has scored 17, 14, DNP, 14 and 16.
In our losses, he has scored 22, 15, DNP, 6 (returning from injury, limited minutes), 20, 22, 24, 18, 22 and 26.
So, pretty much without fail, he has his worst games statistically when we win. His output is a direct representation with how badly we play. There is something in that.

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Peterjohn  
Years ago

As posted above, 36ers' problems this year are more at the defensive end than the offensive end. To focus on the offensive problems and Wilson’s role in them doesn’t address the biggest problem with this team.

We’re giving up 91.6 points per game - the worst in the NBL. That’s almost 6 points per game more than the next worst defensive team (Townsville) and 9.5 more than the league average. Importantly, we're giving up 3.4 points per game MORE thsan last year when the league average is to give up 2.6 points LESS per game. So, defensively, the gap between us and the rest of the league has widened by 6 points per

Tius year, we're scoring 86.5 points per game - the best in the NBL. That's 0.4 points per game more than the next best team (Melbourne) and 4.4 better than the league average. Compared with last year, we're scoring 3.8 points per game less than last year and the rest of the league is scoring 2.6 points per game less. So that gap has closed by only 0.8 points per game.

In the context of how the team performed last year, the 0.8 points per game offensive difference means we still make the playoffs and the GF. The 6 points per game defensive difference means we lose 10 more games and finish last (8-20).

There’s the real problem.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yep and many of the defensive issues have come front eh open backdoor that a certain player allows... Yep Wilson !!!! Watch the Archive games on NBL tv and count them up…along with Brocks which is improving, Wilson should have that sorted already having played in this league a while now. THe NBA has defensive 3 sec so difficult for the players to settle in to protecting the paint.

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Wilson Sting  
Years ago

what's your record since Motum joined the team?

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