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Two years ago

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Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

Anyone know why she gets little minutes in WNBL, yet made the Opals World Champs side?
Surely there was another player, same position as her, who could have been in the Opals?

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Anonymous
Two years ago
10:50 7 Jan 15

Reply #508617

re: Tess Lavey

Brendon Joyce is the only one who can answer that as everyone else is left scratching their heads lol. Their were other players for sure, but he likes Lavey


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Annon
Two years ago
11:20 7 Jan 15

Reply #508624

re: Tess Lavey

Most coaches have a favourite no one understands. It happens in every age group and level of play. Human Nature.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:47 7 Jan 15

Reply #508628

re: Tess Lavey

I didn't think she let anyone down at Worlds. Maybe the question should be asked why she doesn't get more minutes in the WNBL?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:54 7 Jan 15

Reply #508630

re: Tess Lavey

Her team mate Sara Blicavs would have been a better selection - for that team and the future.
Yes they play different positions, but there were enough guards without Lavey.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
12:41 7 Jan 15

Reply #508638

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

No Tess Madgen would have been a much better choice, and a far more deserving one.It will be intersesting to see how Joyce views the good form of both Mcleod and Cole vs Lavey.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:31 7 Jan 15

Reply #508668

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

You ALWAYS take a 3rd PG (or at least someone who can) to tournaments. This was Lavey in this case - Madgen had shown no form last WNBL season to suggest she could have done it (been much better this year). Niether could Blicavs.
I was just as shocked as everyone when Lavey made it (over Hurst I think it was?), was even more shocked when I thought Lavey went okay with the Opals, and shocked again to see her play so little with Bendigo (esp with Harrower out). Something is out of sync there...


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Greg
Two years ago
17:20 7 Jan 15

Reply #508672

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

Maybe his selection of Lavey over Hurst was also to do with age and wanting to build an Opals team mainly for Rio.

The rebuilding has already begun, it will progress further between now and Rio and especially afterwards. I don't think he wants to take every veteran and just have 4-5 more suddenly disappear, but at the same time I can see why Cole/Hurst would be left wondering.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
17:57 7 Jan 15

Reply #508677

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

I would take ebzery as 3rd point.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
18:07 7 Jan 15

Reply #508678

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

Locks...
Phillips/Mitchell
Taylor/Allen
Ohea/jarry
Jackson/Francis
Cambage/tolo

2 others from
G Madgen, ebzery, cole, Clydesdale, Lavey. Wallace? Barr? Panousis?
G/F Kunek, Talbot, Blicavs.
F/C bishop, burton, Tomlinson.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
18:09 7 Jan 15

Reply #508679

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

Yeah I agree, with Phillips and Mitchell there. I think both Taylor and Ohea could bring the ball up on occasion.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
18:20 7 Jan 15

Reply #508682

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

Bishop is more of a lock that Jarry IMO.
Hope to see Madgen where she belongs - ie. in the team - by 2016.
I'm picking Talbot to make it too. She just needs to get away from Canberra so she can develop.
Cole a rough chance. Guard depth poor atm.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
18:30 7 Jan 15

Reply #508683

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

joyce said bishop is too small for her position in the international game and isn't as mobile as others.

I'd still take her over burton....

Phillips/Mitchell
Taylor/Allen
Ohea/kunek or jarry or Talbot
Jackson/Francis/bishop
Cambage/tolo


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:18 7 Jan 15

Reply #508690

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

Locks...
Phillips/Mitchell
Taylor/Allen
Ohea/jarry
Jackson/Francis
Cambage/tolo

2 others from
G Madgen, ebzery, cole, Clydesdale, Lavey. Wallace? Barr? Panousis?
G/F Kunek, Talbot, Blicavs.
F/C bishop, burton, Tomlinson.

No way would you look to take the likes of Clydesdale, Wallace Barr or panousis they are way off the mark, Wallace would be the only one in years to come out of that group, but madgen,ebzery, cole would be better candidates right now than Lavey, but bet you anything Lavey gets the guernsey
Kunek and talbot would be strong contenders, he's already ruled out bishop, and Tomlinson is still to inconsistent and injury prone, he loves burton though.
Joyce will take what he personally likes, not what's best for the team and when it comes to guards he has a particular type, don't think he will add Mitchell to next opals group somehow, but it is good to see new blood in these opals ranks


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Michael
Two years ago
19:23 7 Jan 15

Reply #508692

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

the original team was;

Rebecca Allen
Natalie Burton
Elizabeth Cambage
Laura Hodges
Rachel Jarry
Leilani Mitchell
Erin Phillips
Belinda Snell
Penny Taylor
Marianna Tolo


Cayla Francis
Tessa Lavey


Francis was a late addition because of injury.. who does she bump out?


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Michael
Two years ago
19:24 7 Jan 15

Reply #508693

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

Jenna Ohea not even on that list


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:35 7 Jan 15

Reply #508695

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

He said the other week that he's looking at Clydesdale...

I too think Mitchell won't make the Olympics. guards are getting bigger, taller and stronger. The future international squads Will consist of players similar in size to..
Pg 5'11-6'0 Sg 6'1-6'2 sf 6'2-6-3 pf 6'4-6'6 c 6-6-6'8 or there abouts...
Check out australia basket and alot of teams now have 6ft pg's and 6'8 centres.

It's going to be one or two of madgen, ebzery or cole me thinks along with Phillips.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:46 7 Jan 15

Reply #508696

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

It's a difficult decision.
But you know Joyce will go for defence over offence. So..

5'8 Phillips/5'10 madgen over 5'10 ebzery (better defence)
6'1 Taylor/6'1 Allen
6'1 Ohea/6'1 jarry/6'2 Talbot over 6'2 kunek (better defence) close call though...
6'5 Jackson/6'4 Francis/6'4 burton over 6'3 bishop (better defence)
6'8 cambage/6'5 tolo

That's the 12...

Close between kunek and Talbot. Flip of the coin really. I think kunek is like 23 and Talbot 20. Both still so young...
Talbot = defence and rebounds, better in front court...
Kunek = offence, better in back court...


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:18 7 Jan 15

Reply #508715

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

I'm confused with Joyce saying bishop is too small and immobile. Even if she is, she is still killing every other player in Australia in her position. Doesn't this make her the best choice then, despite her size?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:38 7 Jan 15

Reply #508720

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

Basically his saying her points and rebounds count for nothing.
the only thing she supposable lacks is 1 on 1 defence, speed in transition and also height. (Only 6'3)
Burton (long athletic 6'4) is those other things... But she produces little on the stat sheet.
It would seem asthough his after a front court defensive specialist.
Both Jackson and Francis have size, inside and outside game, descent one on one defence and can also play the centre if needed. Bishop is not as versatile.

After saying all that, I would still prefer bishop.


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Michael
Two years ago
22:48 7 Jan 15

Reply #508721

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

well If he values defense then Jarry's performance at the worlds would cross her off that list.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:49 7 Jan 15

Reply #508722

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

j0yce seems to appreciate aesthetics rather then functionality in some of his selections.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
23:01 7 Jan 15

Reply #508728

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

Back to the original topic. I cant understand home chalmers is getting minutes over lavey! Cant make sense of that one


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Anonymous
Two years ago
23:02 7 Jan 15

Reply #508730

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

*how*


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Anonymous
Two years ago
23:04 7 Jan 15

Reply #508731

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

Lavey was not a bad selection and went as the young pg for the future she tests in all the major speed and agility areas extremely well and had a great junior career but there is no doubt that Cole has now passed her with her return from her knee complete and she is a physical beast so strong and fast which is needed for the international game.
So my team would be

Phillips
Taylor
Allen
Jackson
Cambage

Mitchell
Cole
Ohea
Talbot
Tolo
Burton

Then for me it comes down to
Kunek. ( inconsistent and not sure her slow low shot release does not suit international basketball
Jarry terrible decision maker and too slow laterally which causes her to get into foul trouble
Francis/bishop both too slow to defend the 4 and not big enough to play their preferred 5 position at that level
Blicavs 3/4 tweener not sure if she is too foul prone for this level but has the physical attributes for this level
Hodges was more than serviceable at worlds
Scherf probably too young
Miljovic bit soft
Batcovik is she available might have passed her by


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Anonymous
Two years ago
23:14 7 Jan 15

Reply #508732

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

I don't think cole is a great ball handler.... Particularly under pressure.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
23:34 7 Jan 15

Reply #508733

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

Madgen or ebzery as 2nd pg.
Ohea or Taylor as 3rd pg 5 or so mins a game.

Other options...

Maybe after the Olympics..
Cole, Lavey, Clydesdale, wehrung, Wallace, antoniadou, tupaea, panousis.

Too old or done at international level.
Hurst, Wilson, McCully, veal, Macleod, graham.


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JMc
Two years ago
00:06 8 Jan 15

Reply #508736

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

Lavey was really solid at Worlds. Saw the game on the weekend with Harrower not playing and Jane Chalmers was getting minutes over Lavey .... Chalmers was putrid. No idea what is happening there


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Anonymous
Two years ago
00:30 8 Jan 15

Reply #508739

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

Wehrung is too raw, but look out for her in the future. Love her game. She's got balls. I mean than in the most complimentary way.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
14:13 8 Jan 15

Reply #508787

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

I think with Bishop it is how she accumulates her points that Joyce believes won't transfer to the international standard. She relies on her size a lot, but international ball is much bigger and stronger all round. It's the same as WNBL v state league. Some people look like a super star at state league level but can't get the same opportunities at the next level due to skill level etc.

I am confused about Lavey's minutes also. But PGs are hard to come by, so perhaps he sees her as a solid candidate for the future.

Burton does all the simple things, nothing fancy, which is why Joyce loves her.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
18:18 8 Jan 15

Reply #508829

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

Your kidding when you say Madgen didn't have a good season last year, correct me if I'm wrong but she did get in the all star 5 for the WNBL. Couldn't have been too bad. She has every right to feel pissed with Joyce for leaving her out. She should just go out now and prove Joyce and his assistants wrong because they made a grave error of judgement. Tess deserves a spot.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
18:29 8 Jan 15

Reply #508832

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

5'8 Phillips 1/2 good leader and defensive guard.
6'1 Taylor 1/2 has always been a descent ball handler... Good leader. All rounder.
6'1 Ohea 1/2 has played descent minutes at Dandenong as pg.
6'1 Allen 2/3 bit of both offence and defence. 3 point shooter, shot blocker, steals.
6'1 Jarry or 6'2 kunek 2/3 adds a bit of both offense and defence.
6'2 Talbot 2/3 defensive Sf rebounds, steals. Tough.
6'3 Bishop 4 offensive pf. Efficient.
6'4 Burton 4 defensive pf. Great 1on 1 defender and floor runner.
6'4 Francis 4/5 bit of both offense and defence. Has range. Can play centre.
6'5 Jackson 4/5 bit of both offense and defence. Has range. Can play centre
6'5 tolo 5 centre defensive. Descent mid range shooter. Hard worker.
6'8 Cambage 5 lock centre offensive. Good scorer and rebounder.

Although not always in there traditional positions. My pick ... Makes a really versatile, large, experienced team.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
18:48 8 Jan 15

Reply #508835

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

Lacey destroyed the physical testing and then backed it up with an excellent defensive tournament. She now has a place someone else has to perform well in camp to steal.


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Michael
Two years ago
21:08 8 Jan 15

Reply #508860

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

what about the kid killing it at Baylor. Kristy Wallace think her name is ..would you take her over Lavey?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:01 8 Jan 15

Reply #508867

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

I would pick Wallace. But she's only 18...
From what I've seen... At nationals and college
Descent 1 on 1 defender like Lavey, better handles, better shooter. Bigger at 5'10' 5'11 compared to 5'7. Has inside and out game. Good rebounder for a guard. Scrappy. Not as speedy as lavey.. better basketball iq. More versatile. Can play 1 or 2.
Definately an opal of the future. 2019 world champs and 2020 Olympics and beyond most likely.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
04:22 9 Jan 15

Reply #508881

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

Some excellent candidates for guards coming through for the future in Wallace Antoniadou, Lavey,Wheirung think these 4 have a long way to go don't think any of them are anywhere near peaking and all physically very fit and hard working.
Few others are either going to be too small, too injury prone or not ever going to be fit enough for the future years of women's basketball.

But back to initial question, maybe bernie harrower doesn't think like Brendon Joyce


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Anonymous
Two years ago
04:23 9 Jan 15

Reply #508882

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

Some excellent candidates for guards coming through for the future in Wallace Antoniadou, Lavey,Wheirung think these 4 have a long way to go don't think any of them are anywhere near peaking and all physically very fit and hard working.
Few others are either going to be too small, too injury prone or not ever going to be fit enough for the future years of women's basketball.

But back to initial question, maybe bernie harrower doesn't think like Brendon Joyce


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:24 10 Feb 15

Reply #514356

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

People comment Lavey did well at worlds. Seriously? I think everyone's expectation was so low that they were surprised she didn't tank. But what did she actually contribute? All she did was make the next pass in offense. She didn't shoot, didn't create ( would like to see her assist stats). Who couldn't do that?

Defensively, she might be fast but she is small . I love the testing is used as the reason she made the team but can she actually play the game? Who would know because she hasn't played any minutes for he last two seasons in the WNBL. and when she does, she turns the ball over. Cole smashed her against the Boomers earlier in the year and Harrower took her off and she ever appeared again. Probably why she got ZERO minutes in the Boomers v Spirit game on the weekend.

Joyce needs to step up his selections but he is so stubborn to prove himself right and everyone else wrong that he will probably make he same dumb calls. let's see where he lands after Rio......


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Anonymous
Two years ago
12:12 10 Feb 15

Reply #514366

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

Everyone is so right about Joyce. He wont have anyone telling him what to do and if they try to he is like a little boy and tries to prove people wrong. #514356 you are exactly right, Lavey didnt actually do that much but with the talent around her all she had to do was dribble the ball up, she has quick court speed and get the first pass off.

Mitchell is out of favour with Joyce as well. Phillips will absolutely go but I expect to see Madgen now selected. Joyce said Madgen was a hard selection to drop out last time and she is continuing to dominate in the WNBL you would think she was a walk up start.

As for Clydesdale did anyone see the Boomers v Dandenong game last weekend. Molloy gave Clydesdale zero respect, he didn't even man up on her and Clydesdale just folded. Didn't take wide open shots, turned the ball over, she just froze. Way too many solid PG's in front of her. Namely Madgen, Ezbery & Cole.

Even with Francis, Joyce never wanted her. He only took her cause he had to at the last minute. He made every excuse in the book - skin folds too much, doesn't shoot enough, slow, overweight and she improved so much he couldn't help but take her. She is a beast of a player and you would have her just for her effort.

As for Bishop - its only a matter of time. All class that girl. She is 100% on the next team.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:22 10 Feb 15

Reply #514380

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

Lavey is great prospect, but is not at opals level just yet.
I also think Joyce is out of favour with Mitchell. Although she has tonnes of experience, her size and defensive capabilities are an issue.
I'm pretty certain the pg's in rio will be Phillips, madgen and ebzery.
I know some may say Rebecca cole over ebzery but with her recent addition to the COE, it makes me think she going there to be moulded into a pg. She a good ball handler, a good shooter, good size at 5'10 and does work extremely hard.

3 of these players will be the pg's of the future:
Wallace, antoniadou, Lavey, wehrung and Clydesdale.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:57 10 Feb 15

Reply #514396

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

A year and a half to turn a player into an international standard point guard who has never played the position.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
14:32 10 Feb 15

Reply #514409

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

2019 world champs is a possibility.


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Annom
Two years ago
17:30 14 Feb 15

Reply #515263

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

Lavey smashed it against the caps, the coaching staff at bendigo need to play her , she was impressive


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:11 29 May 15

Reply #530414

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

JMc - As a Bendigo supporter I more than agree with Harrower's decision to play Chalmers over Lavey. If you ask me, he is the one who is getting it right, not Joyce. Chalmers controls the game and gets the team through offence for Bendigo, she does the job needed by the replacing point guard. And Lavey, she turns the ball over. She is erratic and not up to starting point guard role at WNBL level, let alone international. There is something more to Joyce and his decision for Tessa!
And for our international team, there are many more options ahead of Lavey. Mitchell, Ebzery, Mclead, Cole, Madgen to name just a few. She may be quick and explosive but she throws the ball away more than she is effective!! Open your eyes Joyce and look at the other young options you've got! Even Laveys turnover count at SEABL level this season is high. If she is up to international level then this shouldn't be the case at SEABl!!!!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:33 29 May 15

Reply #530453

re: Tess Lavey's WNBL minutes?

Fully agree ^


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