Would be great if Jamar naturalised and we could get 2 other imports. However, it wouldn't be worth looking for imports if you can only afford bargain bin imports playing in the SEABL. Just for the fact that Al Harrington considered Sydney, I would ask him because he obviously doesn't turn his nose up at Australia. But other than that, I would see what the money does. If the money is small I would rather grab some aussie college kids and see if you can polish a diamond.

So you'd be nixing Crawford I imagine,
but will BJ be back?

Problem is that just with those players above, you could hit almost 70 points. (Or more, not sure exactly how it works.)

When does Teys "1 point" contract expire? Will they want to keep Daly?

I really doubt you would have the space to get another import, much less two.

How do the naturalisation rules work?
Wilson is in his 3rd season?

Johnson/Schenscher?
Petrie/
Creek/Crawford?
???/
Wilson?/Daly

Out: Teys (Brizzy), Gibson (Brizzy), Motum (Euro)

Unknown: Crawford (possible retirement), Schenscher (on cheaper deal), Wilson

Creek is a bench player. Get an import SF to start. Why not DeAndre Daniels?

You're also assuming Schenscher would stay for a lot less money, because Adelaide should put him on about half of his current salary.

Unless the 6ers get an influx of cash from somewhere I cant see them getting 2 imports as 1 would have to be on marquee money. Then you have the points cap to contend with. Only way that will change is if Motum makes an NBA roster.

KET, Motum has an NBA out clause not a Euro out clause. What makes you think Gibson and Teys will be off to Brisbane - thats not what I have heard?!

Motum/Johnson are our second 'import'. No way we would keep those 2, Gibbo, Petrie, Creek, Schenscher, Wilson and get another import.

Teys is expected to go to brisbane....

The club is expecting him to go but would love to see him stay...

His soon to be wife has got a Job there and they are fully supportive and understanding and respect that he MAY want to go...

however...

He has shined under Joey and knows where he sits under Joeys coaching...

FWIW, Johnson should be eligible for the 5-year loyalty discount if he returns to the 36ers next year.

Ahead of the 2014-15 season, he was rated 10 points. He'd probably get the same rating next season. So, with the discount, he'd cost the 36ers 8 points.

PS - Creek also will be eligible for the loyalty discount next year. That would bring his rating down to 4 points, based on his 2014-15 rating of 6. However, he will probably be re-rated upwards given his improvement this season.

Dictator Marvin will make sure DJ's European holiday will reset his loyalty eligibility

/s

I doubt Marvin will. He wants the league to grow and part of that is having the best players playing here.

I would be happy to see DJs previous service count towards a loyalty discount as he hasn't played with any other NBL team but I don't think they should count this partial year.

"FWIW, Johnson should be eligible for the 5-year loyalty discount if he returns to the 36ers next year."

No, he left the NBL and signed elsewhere. That isn't what the loyalty discount is for.

If they lose Teys, BJ and Crawford I think they should look at some Seniors returning from college.
It would help in terms of points and salary cap squeeze.
There are a lot of solid players to choose from, ie Drimic, Greenwood, Hadziomerovic, Hill, Rowley, Trist
None of them are SA boys and some may be good enough to head to Europe, especially if they have Euro passports, but getting a couple to fill some bench roles would be great.

Uwe Blab...he was contracted for this season originally and despite a stint OS still played for the 36ers this season making it consecutive seasons.

I dont believe players should be punished for trying to make the most of their short careers. Had DJ returned to a different club then fair enough. Returning to the 36ers is showing his alegion and loyalty.

Anon....where did you hear Gibbo is on the move?

If DJ doesnt get the loyalty discount then he should be rated a 9 rather than a 10 in any case as he is returning from Europe.

"I dont believe players should be punished for trying to make the most of their short careers."

No one is punishing the player. The loyalty discount is for clubs being able to retain players. That didn't happen. They built their team knowing full well that DJ wasn't a part of it.

Sorry, my bad. Loyalty points should be given for anyone still in conversation with the coach.

UWE BLAB = Perth fan

Rhys Martin quit the Hawks , didnt get a job and then re-signed with Hawks and got his points and loyalty renewed

DJ has precedents in his favour beyond having played in the NBL for consecutive seasons. No issue here at all for he or the 36ers

Far out, Ozhoops might be dying but at least it isn't filled with dickheads who do nothing but point out who you support when you try and discuss something.

DJ quit the team, left the league to sign with another team in another league, then returned. Martin quit the team, didn't sign anywhere else before returning and had his loyalty discount applied. I don't actually agree with the Martin decision either but having not signed anywhere else changes things.

Except DJ had a 36ers Contract in place for this season

Perth fans hate it when other teams play the game that they invented

Its got nothing to do with whatever team I support. Seems its more of an issue for you.

So are you saying that all the time that DJ was overseas, his contract with Adelaide remained in place? If you can provide an honest answer, you then may work out why his loyalty discount shouldn't be applied.

All you need to know is that DJ played for the 36ers last season and he is playing for them this season.

So any NBL player that plays SEABL or state league in your eyes doesn't comply with the rules according to you. Perth are in trouble if that is the case

"All you need to know is that DJ played for the 36ers last season and he is playing for them this season. "

Answer the question.

"So any NBL player that plays SEABL or state league in your eyes doesn't comply with the rules according to you. Perth are in trouble if that is the case"

Wow, you are quite stupid!

Resorting to insults instead of fact based arguments. Good on you.

What, stating that DJ has been a contracted player all season is a "fact based argument" is it?

The others are jsut scared

#36ersnation has compiled a great roster for the finals and are playing some good ball with some improvement still possible

scary for other teams in the competition

who cares what may happen next year...

its obvious Uwe Blab is worried... shouldnt you be worried about this season?

I think next season will work itself out when it does and coach and loyalty will come into it...

as a 36ers fan i am not too worried we have Joey for another season at least... sure a lot of the players would rather stay and play exciting basketball under a known coach and his system then move to another state and play under an unknown system...

#injoeywetrust

I don't think you've even read anything thats been said in the past dozen or so posts.

The combination of the mining down turn job shedding in WA and the cessation of OzHoops really has challenged the quality of posters on Hoops

I'm at work now. Whats your excuse?

I am in Belize on the back of my Riviera. Whats your excuse?

so much love....

passion?

rivalry?

Uwe Blab... i am curious



What is perths roster going to look like next year?

Murray Magpie, the difference between Martin and DJ is that after quitting the Hawks, Martin didn't play anywhere else before re-signing. After the 36rs granted DJ a release at the end of last season he went and played with Piratas de Quebradillas in Puerto Rico then Stelmet Zielona Góra in Poland before returning to Adelaide.

Although when he returned to the NBL it was with Adelaide, Uwe Blab might be correct, his stints playing overseas might count against a loyalty reward, though considering that he has appeared in consecutive seasons I hope it doesn't happen like that (common sense maybe?). But I wouldn't bet against it either, some strange rulings have been made over the years by the NBL.

Uwe Blab - I agree there is an open question that will need to be handled by the NBL. I was basing my interpretation on the literal interpretation of the statement the NBL made last April, when announcing the revised points' system (29 April 2014).

"The NBL will offer a loyalty discount to players who have been contracted for a minimum of five consecutive seasons at the same club."

The letter of the rule itself may be different and may have conditions attached to it (e.g., what does 'contracted for a season' mean when applying the rule). No-one without access to the current rules would know that. There aren't many people in that boat but if any of them visit this forum, I'd appreciate their input on this.

In the meantime, you appear to have taken a position based on what the spirit and intention of the rule should be. Given the NBL's proclivity this season for sticking to the literal interpretations of its rules, I think that argument will fail. Both the Ross and Childress decisions prevailed over strong arguments that they were against the spirit of each of the rules concerned.

Thank you Holden, glad someone was able to make sense of a pretty simple point without needing to play the man. I don't care if DJ does or doesn't get some discount, I just think that being released from your contract to go and sign another is not really what the loyalty discount is all about.

Correct PeterJohn, I am basing my comments on what I believe the loyalty discount should be for. I think what DJ did falls outside that, as does the Martin discount. I think he chose to leave so it shouldn't have applied.

"What is perths roster going to look like next year?"

Probably much the same as this year, except with at least one new import.

Surely Loyalty is only within the NBL. Top players have an "out clause" so they looks at options overseas in "stronger" or more financial leagues. Players doing this are not disloyal. Players who leave Adelaide to go to Perth, then to NZ are disloyal and so do not become loyal again when they decide to return to Adelaide.

Well maybe you have to look at the DJ scenario like this.

If a player finishes their season in Australia and then heads overseas in between seasons, should his loyalty discount not apply because he played for someone in between?

Actually, just on the subject of players going overseas while still contracted to NBL clubs, what does everyone think of the FIFA loan system, where a team gets some cash for a player they loan to another club?

I think this would be great to inject some extra funds into the league as well.

So for instance if DJ's contract was for 250k, then a Euro team wanting to sign him would pay the 36ers say even 10% so 25k. That is some compensation for losing a good player and also helps the club financially.

"Well maybe you have to look at the DJ scenario like this.

If a player finishes their season in Australia and then heads overseas in between seasons, should his loyalty discount not apply because he played for someone in between?"

That isn't what happened though. He went overseas INSTEAD OF playing in the NBL.

Most posters on this thread seem to have assumed the discount is for the player's loyalty to the club. It might well be a reward for the club's loyalty to the player. I think that would affect the intention or spirit of the rule argument significantly.

In the NBL release, Fraser Neill was quoted as saying "The NBL is committed to rewarding clubs who have invested in players long-term".

I think that favours discounts being awarded in teh cases of Johnson and Martin.

Loyalty should work both ways - if Adelaide were more loyal to DJ they would have offered him more coin up front instead of giving it to Big Red.

Wow, so much anger over two points.

My interpretation of ""The NBL will offer a loyalty discount to players who have been contracted for a minimum of five consecutive seasons at the same club."" I would read that "season" means a season, and not part there of. But I don't know what the actual rule says. Anyone got a copy?
Personally, assuming he's going to stick around now, I would like to see the discount apply. It would be a shame if he had to start over again.

At the end of day, 2 points is only going to effect the signing of marginal players, its not like it gets Adelaide another import (unless he was born in Guam ;-))

"I would like to see the discount apply. It would be a shame if he had to start over again."

Actually, thats a good point. It does seem like a waste of four years at one club. If there are only two options of applying the discount, or having it reset entirely, I'd prefer to see the former.

I'm sure the NBL hasn't thought that far ahead and the rule is just one line stating the discount in simplest terms. Perhaps for something like this, word it in a way where any season where a player isn't on the roster at the start does not count towards loyalty discounts, but it will carry over for the following season if he returns mid-season.

I think the intention of the loyalty discount is to reward player who stay with the same NBL club.So even tough he has been overseas, he has still stayed with the same NBL club for the last 5 years. It can be open to interpretation but I don't believe DJ or the 36ers should be penalized for DJ wanting to try overseas.

It could be argued that DJ has been contracted to the Adelaide 36ers in the past 5 years consecutively. The rule isn't very clear and doesn't specify a full season or part there of. Unless there are sub sections to that rule then I think DJ will be awarded the loyalty discount and rightfully so in my opinion.

I think if any player goes OS but then returns to the same club then they should be entitled to the loyalty as they are being loyal to that club in the NBL. However, I think there should be a time limit attached to that like 2 years away will see your loyalty discount terminated.

Obviously any player who moves around the NBL should not be entitled to the loyalty discount should they return to the same club after playing a season with another.

It should be consecutive - not cumalitive.

In essence he left at the end of last season, went at played overseas, then came back. Sure not at the start of the season, but he didn't go to another NBL club. And played in consecutive seasons.

Now as far as the loyalty discount goes, I agree with I think it was Uwe who suggested maybe it should count for full seasons so that he doesn't lose the time he has played previously, but he doesn't get the discount next season as he has not played five full seasons here. But would then get the discount the following season.

Just some thoughts.

I hate to be the one to suggest but it sounds like the NBL needs to put a meaningless games limit on the time a player can be absent from a club so we can all have another discussion when the next player comes back just one game after the deadline!

Yes Dazz, 2 points alone may not be a big deal but add it to Creek's 2 point discount and it becomes of material benefit to Adelaide.

Currently, Teys is a 1 point player to Adelaide, due to his multi-year contract. However, he's rated a 5 point player on the open market. With a 4 point discount, Adelaide are in a better position to negotiate to keep him or to replace him with a player of similar ability, if he goes elsewhere.

Uwe Blab...why does a player have to begin the season with the club? I would have thought finishing the season with the club would hold just as much weight?

The 36ers intentions were to have DJ at the start of this season - he was contracted. However, he wanted to ply his trade OS. If things dont work out for that player OS and the club that he was contracted to and wanted him at the start of the season are able to bring him back into the team (within the rules and able to qualify for Finals) and they do, why should they be penalised the following year? Why should the club be penalised for all the development they put into him over the past 4 years?

I dont see the importance of him having to start the season? For all intent and purposes DJ has had a contract where he has been eligible for Finals in the past 5 consecutive years with the same club.

Exactly PeterJohn.

"Uwe Blab...why does a player have to begin the season with the club? "

Because if he is not part of the plan at the start of the season, when all rosters have to be finalised, then its not really how I would define loyalty. Others may have different views but I don't see that the two parties have been in contract with each other.

"Why should the club be penalised for all the development they put into him over the past 4 years?"

Why should the club be rewarded with discounts when he has only played with them for 4.25 seasons?

@Holden V8 Redhage played in the same league along side DJ so should he have his points loyalty questioned?

The record books will show that DJ played consecutive seasons in the NBL for the same club. That is why the loyalty discount was brought in. To encourage teams ( like Perth have done) to re-sign players for continuity's sake. DJ is more valuable to the 36ers than any other NBL team because of the rule.

To play for a different league any where requires said player to be released by their NBL club to that team. The player could go anywhere they chose after that. CJ released to Europe signs with NZ anyone?

So technically their contract ends then and there when they are released. It is convenient for everyone that the player returns to that club and they pick up their contract's intent.

Tornado is correct when he says the rule doesn't specify how many games of the season must be played in.

What happens to someone who does their knee pre season and doesn't play. Do they then get penalised for not playing that season?

To further muddy the waters on this topic , how do players in Melbourne continue their loyalty with a team that is brand new to the league?

Does anyone here get their long service leave re-credited to them when if they return to the company they originally worked for? Generally that will only happen if it's less than 3 months away. Isn't it the same principle?

Haha wow this thread really took a turn for the worse. Might as well change the title to "Loyalty Discount Argument"

Sorry Wilson, I only just saw your comment from above.

"I would be happy to see DJs previous service count towards a loyalty discount as he hasn't played with any other NBL team but I don't think they should count this partial year."

Agreed.

Unless the 6ers get an influx of cash from somewhere I cant see them getting 2 imports as 1 would have to be on marquee money.

I see your point Isaac but there arent too many imports on the cheap who put up 20ppg. I was under the impression the poster was thinking a solid import but you're right an import to replace Teys value both financially and statistically is possible. But then I would be questioning the use of the points for such a player - wouldnt be worthwhile IMO.

U guys have s**t for braines. He left, it's that simple, he signed a contract to play overseas, if he was still contracted that would Be different

Cats 4 Life...what are braines?

Unless somebody has the text of the actual rule, we are just arguing in circles.
Whilst I can't say which way the NBL would lean in an "interpretive decision,"
It would be a shame if a player who played 4.3 seasons for a team, had to reset at zero.

I'm not sure how to read the intent of the loyalty discount, but it does SEEM to be focused on the TEAM aspect. ie it doesn't reward someone who stays around the NBL, it rewards staying with the same team. (Which DJ has done.)
Clearly, playing elsewhere in the off season is not an issue, so I don't think starting this season in Europe should penalise him.
Players like Redhage routinely play O/S. If they went to a league that meant they missed the opening NBL game, should that obliterate 10 years of loyalty??? (Yes, he's in his 10th season, 4 point discount coming up.)

Ultimately, the loyalty discount makes no sense EXCEPT to encourage the re-signing of players with the same club. That is its whole purpose.
When DJ came home from Europe, he may have had choices and he CHOSE Adelaide. Loyalty.

Good post Dazz - I agree.

I have emailed the league to try and get the rule to stop all this fighting.

Won't somebody please think of the children?

"Only if they are near the cap. You can get a good import on the cheap more easily than you can with a local."

I recall back in 90's, Perth had Crawford, Fisher, and Grace ALL naturalised (plus Vlahov.) Due to Salary cap they couldn't afford big buck imports.
They recalled Hansen from the SBL, and brought in Vlahov's college mate Lichti.

But I wonder how that would work in the points era?
A "Hansen" would have had a points core from his previous season, but how would you differentiate between a "Lichti" and a "Beal"? Surely both would be 10 points?
What about some of the imports who only play in the minor leagues?

Sorry Dazz but you missed the point entirely in that post.

Bulldog I'm curious to see what you hear back. Might lower some blood pressure of some!

Either way, in reference to the roster, the 36ers will be very strong next season, looking forward to it!!

I would try and keep the exact same team if possible, a team that can win 9/10 games in the current stretch is worth keeping together, including Wilson who has made some positive changes to his game.

Salary cap may be a tough one, but as has been noted we do have a import spot in hand so if at worse we lose one of our main players we could probably replace them with a import who is cheaper $$ wise and may be just as good/better, so all looking positive.

Joey is a coach these guys seem to want to play for so that helps in keeping the guys,

other factors may be a 'go home' factor or another team offering big $$$ and significantly out bidding us, but surely we wouldnt lose more than 1 or 2 guys this way and 1 could be replaced by an import.

So im excited for our roster for the next few years, we should be strong baring a major unexpected walk out or something.

I would bring back the same team depending on points and salary. The question has to be asked why are we worrying about next year when we are two weeks out from semis!?

On a serious note now an underrated aspect this year was Wilson being a 9 point import - if he was a 10 point DJ wouldn't have been able to come back for BJ. And in my opinion has been just as good as Beal, Ervin etc.

hahaha

Look what I started..

For what it's worth note the '/s' at the end of my post.

Yeah alexrad this is all your fault, no wait Marvins, not wait yours... ahh I'm confused now haha

DJ should be as qualified for the loyalty discount as he is to play finals.

He is as qualified to play finals as any other genuine all season player. QED

End of discussion. Gotta respect the QED.

With a head like that u can keep motum, don't care if I was a 6 point player. See how he goes against bz Perth and cairns. Over rated, looks better when u win like Wilson, u guy's just jump on the bandwagon and then jump off when u lose um 7 in a row!

Tornado, sometimes I think you can be just as likely to get a competent cheap import as a flop of an expensive one. Or a selfish expensive one who won't hang around.

I imagine Rychart was once upon a time a cheap import, Redhage too. Deleon and Hudson in their first years were useful and probably around Teys' money.

I doubt Ibekwe is expensive, but has made some All-Star Five lists. 11 and 6 in 20 MPG is handy on a budget. Craig has helped Cairns off the bench.

Cats for life don't you ever change! You're certainly on another planet.

Isaac, Rhychart, Redhage and Ballinger as far as I recall all were initially cut then picked up cheap and ended up being solid. So the diamond in the rough import is out there, perhaps as teams become more savvy just harder to find.

Thanks for telling me, just actually think what u say before u write. Sick and tired of the anti wildcats/Perth supporters are feral crap! If u we're in the position we are in u will write and think different.

We got high expectations of our team and supporters, yea I get amped up, but it shits me to tears when people bag and that Marvin and reffs crap.

This is a thread about the 36ers roster.... So your sensitivities aren't warranted or required here.

Can NZ get a discount for Jackson?
He only left for one season and didn't play much due to injury and came back so that's loyal?
Plus he didn't play for another NBL team so it must almost be consecutive?

No, because he's playing for NZ

Mystro, Jackson missed a whole season. However, had he of come back mid last season because you wanted to cut Johnson then I would have no issues with it. To be honest, I dont really have any issues with him receiving the loyalty discount after missing a year. After all, he is being loyal to NZ in this league.

Isaac...I agree with you. I guess I am just a little sceptical because the 36ers havent had much luck in finding that diamond in the rough previously. You are right though, you can get a diamond in the rough just as much as you can get a flop but there is probably a greater risk in attempting to get that diamond in the rough. I guess it comes down to the role you need that import to play and how much you have to spend.

You can often get good value for money from imports who have played in the league aswell if you find a guy that fits the role that you want

Guys like
Josh Pace
Torrey Craig
Lance Hurdle
Scott Morrison, etc

Could all play a role in the NBL if they suit your need and you wouldnt have to break the bank to get them,

Probably less upside in getting those guys, but you know what you are getting and can be fairly sure they wont be a complete bust.

I was trolling :)

"After all, he is being loyal to NZ in this league."

So Kirk Penney too then?

I have no problems with dj getting a loyalty discout, in the end he will have qualified for finals and played on the one team.

Jackson is more iffy since he did not play last year in the nbl, but i say if they play on the same team once back then just remove that year they missed and continue with the discount once they reach year 5 of playing in the same team

Its like if someone gets injured for entire year and does not play a single game should they be eligable too... I think thry should

Would be interesting to know the rules and regulations about it

"Its like if someone gets injured for entire year and does not play a single game should they be eligable too... I think they should"

That is a different situation because that player is still contracted to the club and obviously being paid by the club.

Does loyalty really include imports ??? Weird.

Looking at the rules. DJ yes, Jackson no. sorry !

""After all, he is being loyal to NZ in this league."

So Kirk Penney too then?"

that was to be my next argument ;)

Tornado, if the alternative is a bench player and you have spare import spots to use, and points available, it's not a bad option. We're talking about gambling on spots that would otherwise go to Crawford, I guess. With Brisbane, this sort of thing might be more important.

TBH NZ doesn't currently have any issues in regards to the points cap as we have loyalty discounts in place along with young guys like TeRangi signed on long term contracts at their Rookie points value.

Yeah, I hear ya Isaac. :-)

Back to Sixers roster next season. Might be reading in to it a little but the Sixers new membership drive out on FB with pic of Gibbo front and centre and Creek and Teys in the background.

"Looking at the rules. "

What rules? Can you please post the rule you referred to?

National pride is a lot stronger than state pride. So NZ will never have problems with the points cap. More often than not, if an NZ local plays in the NBL, it's for the Breakers.
Whereas Aussies have 7 different Australian teams to choose from. Can't see too many players saying 'Wollongong/Cairns/Townsville is my home, I want to play for them if I can'. But the majority of NZ players have that mentality.

that and the Breakers made most of them the players they are through the academy and then development spots on the roster, building even more loyalty to the franchise.

The NBL will offer a loyalty discount to players who have been contracted for a minimum of five consecutive seasons at the same club. Players are afforded a two-point discount (from a ranking between 1-10) in their sixth season at the club. Any players who have been contracted at the same club for 10 consecutive seasons are entitled to a four-point discount off their ranking in their 11th year.

The Key being 'contracted for a minimum of five consecutive seasons at the same club'

Same Club - Say the Sixers
Consecutive Seasons - NBL 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 - 2015 2 point discount. Regardless of what you have done in between.

Add in Contract points players can greatly reduce their point value such as Peach and Teys are carrying reduced points for multi year contracts


Current loyalty reductions are
Blanchfield
Coenraad
Davidson
Martin (Both)
Redhage
Wagstaff
Abercrombie
Pledger


Contract reductions
Johnson (used the out clause)
Tragadh
Gliddon
Weigh
Young
Webster
Te Rangi
Odigie
Tomlinson
Ellie
White
Hire
Norton

Think I have it right.

The multi-year contract reductions only really apply if your player points value goes up. I don't think that would be the case for Weigh and Tragardh, they've stayed about the same. Alternatively the multi-year contract could work against the team if the player's stock goes down.

Add Mika Vukona and I believe next season Corey Webster may meet the criteria (not sure what influence the suspension may have on his eligibility).

"The multi-year contract reductions only really apply if your player points value goes up. I don't think that would be the case for Weigh and Tragardh, they've stayed about the same. Alternatively the multi-year contract could work against the team if the player's stock goes down. "

Didn't that happen with Schenscher?

"The NBL will offer a loyalty discount ..."
But what are you quoting? Seems like the same release we saw earlier? Would be useful to see the actual rule?

"The Key being 'contracted for a minimum of five consecutive seasons at the same club'"

As I've said, I have no problem with DJ. He's played 4 full seasons, and now maybe another third.
But what if you had a player who signed a 5 year contract, used an out clause to play in Europe, and never actually played during those 5 years.

Just saying that we need to see the rules, not keep arguing about our own interpretations of a release.

619 - listed as contract not loyalty so all about their current team contract. Read the entire page you numnut !!!

And while you are at it contact the players Association to correct them because the info ifs rom them. Good luck with that one...

Just thought I would update you on my request for the Player Points loyalty discount rules from the NBL that I emailed them about on Tuesday.



There we go, informative update. Yes, I have not heard back from them, not even a we can't give you that info or we will find that info for you. Nothing. No reply.