clint
Years ago

Dante Exum NBL hypothetical

If Exum was in the NBL would he dominate? Mvp? Or would he more of a hot and cold player given his youth..

I know hes in the nba but still youn and developing.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

What is wrong with you

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Didn't go that high for no reason. And Nbl players are only playing Nbl for a reason

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Science!

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Steersy  
Years ago

Once again ppl under estimating the NBL.

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Mick  
Years ago

I don't think Dante would dominate anywhere. He doesn't have that gene.

He's a pass-first PG, almost to a fault.

He is still very young though. He wouldn't dominate the NBL. I'd say 16ppg with 5 and 4.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

A pass first point guard only averaging 4-5 assists. Tells you something about the quality of players around him.

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GWB  
Years ago

Would he dominate NBL right now? No, I don't think so. In a year or two, maybe. I dont really see him becoming a top NBA player, at best a decent role player. He seems to lack killer instinct, and I dont think that is an age thing, it is just his disposition.

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Mick  
Years ago

He's the youngest rookie in his class and had never played basketball at a high standard until he jumped straight into the NBA. I think he's doing alright...

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Mick  
Years ago

"I don't really see him becoming a top NBA player, at best a decent role player. He seems to lack killer instinct, and I don't think that is an age thing, it is just his disposition."

Unfortunately I agree with all of this. You don't get efficient scoring opportunities unless you are super aggressive in that league. It's going to be the chief defining factor of his career.

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GWB  
Years ago

He will be a solid player I am sure. And probably one of the mainstays of the Boomers program. But I don't see him becoming the "Go - to" guy on the Boomers, or in the NBA. You can see those guys usually pretty quick. They have an attitude, a swagger, a disposition. Ben Simmons has it, Dante Exum does not. People who become superstars do not play conservatively and fearfully. They go out there and try to push things and see what they can get away with and how far they can push their boundaries. Dante might become an integral part of a team, but at best I see him being 3rd or 4th string, not the main guy. He is doing okay, he is not embarassing himself in the NBA, and he is showing promise. But as an NBA exec, I don't think I would have used a top 10-20 pick on him.

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proud  
Years ago

Does anyone think it's dependent on coaching around him that will determine how great a player he will become?

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GWB  
Years ago

It might be. If a coach can work on his personality/identity as much as his game, then yeah, it could be.

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Bear  
Years ago

Heard him speak on SEN the other day, he is tired and has had a big first season in the NBA. He is very level headed and understands the work he has in front of him to improve and increase his body size. He is well aware of what he needs to do to improve and compete physically against NBA guards.

The kid has started quite a few games in his rookie season and is wrapped to have the experienced Joe Ingles beside him at the Jazz.

Far too early to be making some of these opiniated predictions about Dante, other than to say he still has a very strong will and a huge upside.

Best is well and truly still to come!

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Bear  
Years ago

opinionated...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"to improve and increase his body size."

Why would he need to do this? He is probably the biggest point guard in the league (out of him and MCW). I would prefer if he wasn't looking like baby Diaw next season.

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Bear  
Years ago

I don't think he is looking to go Schwarzenegger, he just needs to compete better in the bumps and jumping contests.

Building up an extra small percentage of muscle to give him an advantage and more protection from injury is what he was saying he needs to do.

This is normal for rookies, don't worry anon^, he isn't going to be our next Nathan Jawai!

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Bear  
Years ago

That was me, buggered up my log-on temporarily...

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Mick  
Years ago

Mass only helps so much though. Steph Curry, Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving are twigs and get to the rim and finish through contact just fine. Mass is overrated in basketball: i'd rather have an aggressive slight guy than a passive bloke chiselled out of stone.

Aggressive mentality/positioning/angles/finishing ability are so much more important. You can "outmuscle" a guy twice your size with positioning and an aggressive mindset.

The key to being a successful point guard in the NBA is being ELITE at either finishing at the rim or shooting threes. If you can't do either, you really hurt your team. Right now Dante can't do either of those things.

He really needs to improve his ballhandling to create separation to match his freakish speed. He's not an elite leaper, and right now his handles can't keep up with his footspeed & athleticism so he never leverages it and may as well be slow and unathletic for all the difference it makes (ie. what I call 'typical Australian wing player syndrome').

The playmaking aspect is overrated especially if you play in a good system that shares playmaking duties like all elite teams do.

The long-distance shooting will come with reps and time, but right now he really needs to work on finishing and handles. Mass will help a touch, but you need a mindset to go along with it, and then his touch around the rim needs a lot of work as well.

To me, he tops out as an unselfish version of Evan Turner. I don't see him ever unseating Bogut as the best Aussie NBA player of all time though, even when all is said and done.

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chewie  
Years ago

I can actually see him becoming an elite player in the league, if everything lines up for him. Its happened time and time again in the nba, right place, right time, right coach, right system. Id expected him to physically fold with the schedule, and for him to make it through the western conference slaughter house his first season without breaking down was impressive.

Tough for him many nights in that his primary role after getting it over half court was to rotate to the corner, giving space for Hayward to operate.

Noted preseason he was in a guard heavy rotation with the two Burkes and Hood and Ingles and Hayward played a lot of point forward, so it was always going to be interesting.

Not much room for his penetration game either with two bigs regularly clogging the paint.

I can really see him opening up next season if he can get some break out performances early to get going, and if one of the Burk/es are moved in a trade.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Slow and unathletic pretty much sums up Australian basketball not just wings

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Anonymous  
Years ago

He wouldn't make the all nbl 5. Look at patty mills when he played for tigers. He played well some games and terrible the others. Now mills is 10 times better than exum so in the nbl I think exum would average about 16 points 6 assists and 7 rebounds.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

just because the Currys and Durants are twigs doesn't mean they don't have incredible core strength. They don't have big arms but they can control their bodies in a way that Exum can't (yet). Finishing against contact is half core strength and balance, not bulk

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Apart from shooting threes and towel waving what is patty mills better at than Dante?

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Mick  
Years ago

Mills wasn't the player he is now when he was playing in the NBL though. He is much better now. Back then he couldn't really shoot and needed volume to get points, now he is one of the most efficient scorers in the NBA.

@Anon above, re: core strength: absolutely agree with everything you said.

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Wilson Sting  
Years ago

"He wouldn't make the all nbl 5. ... so in the nbl I think exum would average about 16 points 6 assists and 7 rebounds."

That would be an MVP caliber NBL season.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Most efficient scorers? Shooting 38% from the field and 34% from 3???

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Anonymous  
Years ago

True shooting percentage of 47%. Not even in the top 100 players. 100th is 52%.

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Jez  
Years ago

"He wouldn't make the all nbl 5 ... in the nbl I think exum would average about 16 points 6 assists and 7 rebounds."

Do you watch much NBL? Those numbers would get him pretty close to making the All-NBL First Team ... hell those numbers are better than Cedric Jackson's who was many people's pick for MVP.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

6th for scoring, equal sixth for rebounds, equal first for assists. Very average hey

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Pete Mac  
Years ago

bear = goose

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Mick  
Years ago

Coming back from an injury that really affects shooting technique.

Look at his stats from the playoffs and back end of the season, and 2013/14 campaign as a whole.

He is as efficient as they come.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

50th in 13-14. Average was 53%, he shot 57%.

Efficient as they come you reckon

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Anonymous  
Years ago

A lot of people forget how good Patty Mills was in the NBL. When he left to go play in China he would've been the raging favourite for MVP from memory he was leading the league in scoring, Top 5 in assists and had the Tigers equal top of the table.

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XY  
Years ago

Anon #527639

There are 450 players signed to NBA rosters. 50th out of 450 in the 2013/14 season is pretty elite shooting in the most elite league in the world.

IIRC last year he was also one of the highest ranked PPM players in the league (top 25ish).

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Patty mills is a poor mans jamal crawford. Can occasionally get very hot but that's it. Also when you're averaging like 8 points a game efficiency means jack all. Brandon wright shot 70% true shooting but averaged 6 points.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Pablo Prigioni was 8th and the last thing anyone will say about him is that he's a great shooter.

Other top 50 players: jeff Ayres, cole Aldrich, miroslav riduljica, jeff withey

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paul  
Years ago

"A lot of people forget how good Patty Mills was in the NBL."

Patty dominated the lesser teams and struggled against the better teams. But Exum isn't anywhere near close to Mills then or now as a player, we'll see that this international season.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Patty mills taken 55th overall out of 60 at 21
Dante exum taken 5th overall at 18

I'm sure Dante will be the better player by far and do more than anything mills has within a few years

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paul  
Years ago

Agreed, but not yet.

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GWB  
Years ago

That remains to be seen... he does have some tools. But Patty has killer instinct and self belief. These are things Dante needs if he is going to truly be a star.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Patty doesn't have a killer instinct. Has a very good three point shot and definitely self confidence but the guy will never be a starting point guard

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MELHOOPS  
Years ago

Wow!

Guys, he is 19 years old, hold your fire. A 19 year old starting 40 plus games in his first year. Let's remember he has no college experience and played very little in the 18 months before the draft.

Add to all that the coaching staff would more than likely be giving him a lot of guidance and instruction given his age. I'm guessing something like "don't overdo it, keep your turnovers down, focus on defense and look to get your older more experienced teammates the ball".

C'mon guys, he was drafted behind 3 super talents, he's an Aussie and he's gonna be great.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Hey Pete Mac are you Nathan Jawaii's love child?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

MELHOOPS and Bear have got it about right, some posters here are just trolling.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I guess we'll never know.. Players with Dante class don't play in the minor leagues like the NBL.

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