If that is the case they would already be in for next season. After that who cares its mere speculation.

Trying to expand to Sydney maybe north bears

Maybe Ringwood no one else in Melb as Knox will be back

Melb & hawthorn won't happen no venue or enough cash

What are the SEABL requirements for a club to join their ranks?

Anonz, WTF has junior exodus got to do with their SEABL program? You don't field juniors at that level.

They will only be back if they can raise the sponsorship to cover the cost to participate.

On the other rumors neither Melb, Ringwood or Hawthorn have the players or money to take the step to SEABL so they'll need to find a large chunk of money to buy a playing group and enter the league.

Knox will be in BIG V state champ.

That would be the smartest move they could make.

1 step at a time.

They'd get stuck in big v purgatory and never be able to make the step up again.

It's such a huge step up to make and recruiting in the eastern burbs for talent is super competitive so coming from big v to SEABL would be to hard.

Better to wait till your funded and eve straight into SEABL and spend on good imports and play kids with mix of 1/2 SEABL vets tough it for a few years and slowly recruit SEABL guys to fill holes juniors can't.

If you go big v best kids walk and big v will want a long term commitment then your stuck in big v cycle.

Watched that Ringwood/mck game and it was poor standard, big v has really dropped off this year

Both there VYC teams would be very competitive at that level. If they brought in a few seniors (probably returning seabl players) or a import per side youd have to say they would be challenging very well at that level.

From what i have seen over the years the top four VYC teams in womens and mens(which Knox both are) would kil D2 and D1 teams so a state champ move would be great for them.

Allows them to progress some fo the current players in those VYC teams and make room for the next batch of juniors coming through.

BIG club and have got themselves in the you know what, but they also have the capacity to come out of it pretty quick.

The worst thing they could do is over stretch themselves next year going back to SEABL while they still have such a large debt just to appease ego.

Yes, also having great YL teams doesn't always translate into SEABL strength either, that jump is also huge. Most SEABL YL programs are lucky to transition 1 player a year into their SEABL team.
Sometimes it can be none for a few years.

Are they Big V clubs or clubs from NSW and QLD??

From what I've seen this year the big v clubs will need to recruit strongly and spend alit more on imports! Only teams with venues that fit are Hume & maybe Ringwood at a stretch

Ringwood no way. It would be the smallest capacity venue in SEABL.

Come on, name them, why the secrecy

A small venue is only a problem is you can't fit anyone in. All these bigger venues other Vic teams use, how many of them actually fill it?

Hawthorn would need stacks of cash and a venue before they could be admitted.

Melbourne can hardly put a big v team on the floor so not sure they can justify the step up either...they also need a venue!

Just cause you have strong juniors means little in terms of senior succes apart from the cash base the juniors provide.

As mention very few players transition from YL to SEABL and same could be said for college returnees having an instant impact in SEABL so having VC junior teams means little although having a SEABL pathway is advantageous in terms of elite pathways.

Could Corio Bay or Wav be applying?? Or a country team perhaps??

Ringwood and Melbourne

If Ringwood's seating capacity isn't enough then how is Sandringham's?

Not sure how poster #542547 above writes off talented juniors transitioning into SEABL as not assisting a club develoing a SEABL team.

Where do future SEABL players come from a DNA factory?

MSAC = very expensive

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Sandi would be nearly twice the capacity of Ringwood.

If a YL team produced 1 or maybe 2 players every 2-3 years that permanently (not sporadic fringe) progressed into their SEABL team that's a good achievement.

The rest end up in BigV programs or quitting.

Melbourne has everything it needs except 10 quality SEABL level players and cash...

Agree witht he above, if you were getting one or two juniors coming in each year that is great record. As you would want to retain most of your group if you were a successful side.

As stated the rest would then move in BIG V Division or State Champ Sides.

Just on YL programs and "Talent"...

The exceptional players that graduate from top age U18's or U20's i.e 18 and 19 yo's can head 1 of 3 ways: to College, AIS( College of excellence) or YL rosters.

Many of our best young talent can bypass YL programs all together and come back as 22 yo's ready to play SEABL or NBL.

Many of the SEABL YL programs are not representative of the full strength of player production of that program because those players in situation 1 and 2 are siphoned away.

Some may never return to play for their Rep Snr Teams.

Those that do enter YL teams as 18 or 19 yo's will probably spend 3-4 years there maturing and developing before moving full time into a SEABL or BigV Div program.

Some posters I don't think quite understand how much is involved in keeping a SEABL team or in fact two teams (men & women) financially sustainable and competitive.

Knox would be the only club capable of re entering SEABL next season, then perhaps a Melbourne if they could prove they had the cash to buy the players they need and sustain their entry into the competition.

Anyone else you guys are talking about is not ready!

^ Agree. An average budget to sustain an entry level SEABL program (Men and Women as now required by the league) including all costs would be at a bare minimum in the order of $150K a year upwoods.

That's with Aussie restricted players and min player payments to everyone else or base pay imports and nobody else gets paid.

One SEABL program i know of has a total 2 team budget exceeding 400k a year.

Poster #542583

That questions has been asked about what the requirements are. If you know the financial requirements why not educate us ignorant s on this thread.

Sandringham has one stadium on one side of their court as do Ringwood, not sure how it has twice the capacity of Ringwood's main court of for that matters Hawthorn where you have the ability to use retractable seating if you wished to.

You can't do that at Sandringham.

New teams have to have mens and womens team. PLus its about $30k / season for each team. Plus I am guessing a licence fee for each team. Lots of money

Its not just the 60k entry, you have to pay players at this level or you can't field a team.

90k for player payments (2 teams), travel allowances, meals, tape, physio, balls, court hire etc etc etc is peanuts.

To run a quality 2 team SEABL program you need 250k+++

Seating capacity is certainly not an issue for Sandringham SEABL games!

It is the whole SEABL package that the clubs you are in hope for do not possess and will not be able to comply with, the package includes more than just enough seats and enough cash for the team entry fee.

That is why only Knox and possibly a Melbourne Tigers could do it next year. They could have the package ready in time and will have everything needed to compete, but not the others, they would need a few more years and many more items ticked off on the to do list before they would be considered.

Even Melbourne have work to do if they want in, Knox should be able to show due cause, Melbourne would be close.

I could see Ringwood making the step clearly best organised and funded team in big v over last 10 years. They'll need to recruit and get better imports than previous years but I could see it happening.

The stadium is an issue for them but maybe temp seating behind the bench could work.

Called around this morning and few people mentioned part of motivation is poor level of comp in SC comp

Could Ringwood play their games at the Sate Centre?

$90K for 2 teams in the seabl will get you 2 bottom of the ladder spots. I only mentioned only initial set up costs.

Ringwood have 3 players at the very least ready for retirement who couldn't cope with the demands or Std of SEABL.

They would have to find 7 or possibly 8 new players including 2 decent imports to field a competitive SEABL team.

While the intent to improve is great at what cost do you do that?

4 imports $60k - 3/4 SEABL level players you need to recruit from elsewhere $30k - 2 coaches $20-$30k

That's before you buy ta

Tape, court hire, Ohysio. Court announcers etc, travel and so on

A middle of the road SEABL men's roster (not top tier) would look like this money wise:

Import 1 $25k
Import 2 18K
Local Starter $8K
Local Starter $8K
Local Starter $4K
Bench 6th man $2K
Bench 7 $1K
Bench 8 $1K

Coach $15K
AC Coach $3K

Base team operational costs (tape, venues, food, travel allowances, uniforms etc ) 30K

SEABL Entry $30K

Total for a men's Team: $115K

2 gun recruits in place of entry level and a bench NBL player could easily add $70K to those costs.

Womens team a bit less

Sorry that should read total Team cost $145K

Also you'll find when teams travel they often pay for Ohysio, asst and team manager to travel over and above team costs

Hume have the cash too but they'd need a whole new crew in the men's team plus three new locals in the women's to compete.

Hume would need a whole new Committee too before they went back to SEABL.

The current management would never do it.

Talk about an association that's progressively wound themselves backwards.

That's true should be powerhouse of that comp but poor import selection kills the ability to recruit better locals.

Knox will be in State Champ, Won`t be SEABL. Can discuss tht all you like but won`t happen. The amount of hypotheticals thrown up on here most of the time shows just how far out of the loop most of us are.

1300 where?

1300 at Geelong...

Bendigo v Ballarat...

3 people watch the BACoE

How often do they get those numbers?

Geelong get excellent crowds every week, but yes, its about sustainability.