Anonymous
Years ago

Should Connolly stay long term?

Been impressed with the kings these past few games. A bit of grit and fight to go along with their undoubted talent.

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yes

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AngusH  
Years ago

IMO yes. Saw them do a few things differently tonight, and it worked. Encouraging.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yes absolutely

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skull  
Years ago

Love his passion,nice to have a character back in the coaching ranks of the nbl.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Absolutely not.

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paul  
Years ago

No. Their defence has been poor and they haven't made any real progress. I like that he's tried a few things, he hasn't done a terrible job, but I haven't seen anything to suggest he's a high-level coach.

Yes they won last night, but that was against a team missing two starters who'd just traveled 2500kms after playing two nights earlier.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"I like that he's tried a few things, he hasn't done a terrible job, but I haven't seen anything to suggest he's a high-level coach."

Some would say not doing a terrible job is an upgrade on the likes of Robilliard and Cotter! lol!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I guess with any question like this, we must ask: what are the other options? Any other names floating around out there that I can compare to Connolly?

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paul  
Years ago

I wouldn't be putting Cotter in the same basket as Robilliard. Cotter is a solid coach who will reappear soon, better for learning tough lessons at a basketcase club.

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AngusH  
Years ago

I thought the Kings halfcourt D was the best I'd seen from them last night, although the injuries of course helped. A number of Cairns possessions that came down to the end of the shotclock.

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AngusH  
Years ago

Anyone know if Cotter has taken a gig overseas? Posted a farewell Sydney tweet with the hashtag of Belmont State?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

College team? He always has been a youth specialist coach so he's going back to his strengths

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Connolly looks great when he's got a gun like Childress healthy.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Belmont State doesn't exist bro. Think it refers to something else...like maybe a street.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

LOL. One win over a team missing two starters that is nowhere near a playoff contender and some people are ready to anoint this guy the next head coach. Give me a break. Let's see what happens next Saturday when the Hawks and that high-powered offence of theirs tears the Kings a new one.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Lets be honest.. Nothing has change since connolly was coincidentally promoted by Tim Hudson.

Here are the facts:

1) The team still doesn't play with intensity
2) Connolly hasn't added any is his coaching philosophy to
team.
3) Players are still taking poor shots and making bad
decisions
4) The team is still lacking a leader
5) They still run the same offenses
6) Connolly hasn't been able to ignite Thornton to play
unselfish basketball.
7) The players haven't shown they respect him as coach
so far because their attitudes are the same as it was
when cotter was the head coach

8) NEED I SAY MORE...

He is not the person that can bring the team back from the bottom of the ladder and make the finals next year!!

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have a go  
Years ago

disagree with most of the previous post by anon 571.

most players have improved.

team work has improved

intensity and belief has improved

The team lacks a consistent 3pt shooter. The coach cannot develop one in a mth or so.

One needed to be recruited, but was not.

Ben knight is an improvement on JK. A lot more energy.

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Wookiee  
Years ago

See, you go and make nearly a 100% good post and then end it with that... I love Hoops sometimes... lol...

In the few minutes BK was on the court he DID have some good energy, but that's the only area he was an improvement on Jules...

There's been a few dodgy shots and silly plays, but a handful of them have come from trying to get things going, so coaches don't tend to mind them as much if they're not over done... Some forced shots that were ill advised, but when a team is down, you're going to see key players force things they shouldn't... Carter was a bit more reserved in his "jacking up early outside shots" thing, the ball was getting through a lot more hands, and the teamwork has been much better...

I don't know if we can attribute that to Chill being back or to Joe's influence... He's obviously trying different things getting Chill to control the ball more when he's on, but I think also that the team is more confident and comfortable in their roles when they have a clear leader on court in Chill... When he wasn't there, some players who SHOULD have stepped up, didn't, and those that really couldn't, did...

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paul  
Years ago

I've seen change but I haven't seen improvement, and the stats back that up.

Before the change they were 3-9 with six double-figure defeats, since they are 2-6 with six double-figure defeats.

Before the change they kept teams under 85pts five times in 12 games, since they have done it twice times in eight games.

Before the change they scored over 85 seven times from 12, since the change it's three times in eight.

Yes they have played some good patches lately, but they did that under Cotter too.

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paul  
Years ago

BTW the Childress at PG experiment was a disaster!

The Kings didnt get into any offence, Garlepp who has been red hot recently didn't touch the ball and they were scoring at less than a point per minute. It was only when Cadee started running the show that things clicked into gear.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Have a Go, you are kidding yourself thinking they have improved!

If that was true they wouldn't be on the bottom of the ladder!

Intensity start with your guards leading the rest of the team. The kings get NO intensity from Thornton on defense! And his body language is always negative.

The coach can definitely make the teams improve their 3pt shooting. He just need to point out the
times when they should be taken and not shoot without a conscience like the kings do!

It is also up to the coach to make sure of team work. That's known in the Coaches 101 manual

Credit to BK for stepping up and getting his 400th game. He played solid basketball when on the court.

I grade Connolly so far a -C and its only because he shows more intensity courtside than some of the players. He isn't the guy who should be next years head coach.

BTW, as far as kings players for next season. I would only keep Childress, Cadee, Garlepp!!

And if you wondering why I didn't pick Khazzouh. Its because I think he is a lazy, terrible defender and shows know leadership. Give me Kickert, AJ, Pledger, Dave Johnson, Brandt, Cam Trigargh any day of the week.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Kings seem to now be bringing Thornton off of the bench. Hoping he quits rather than them looking bad to NBA teams by sacking him?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Not just the win over cairns need I remind you that they thumped united in Melbourne too, not too many can boast that this season.

Thornton is also misunderstood, be is not a selfish guy in fact he's got good character but his skills have not been used correctly so far this season. Connolly is a young player development specialist so could be the perfect coach to bring out the best in him

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Paul, you can't just compare wins and losses of cotter and Connolly like that it's not fair. Do you think it is fair to expect immediate results from a new coach who is just learning the league and players. Unlike cotter he doesn't have the benefit of a pre season to work the team into the mould be wants he is doing everything on the fly. In that context I think he's done a good job it could very easily have gone off the rails with the kings already out of contention that could've easily switched off the interim coach but instead they still seem to be playing hard. People are writing him off because of his lack of experience but I think the early returns are positive

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"People are writing him off because of his lack of experience"

Connelly doesn't have the qualifications to be a Head Coach in the 1st instance. Get over it. If you know anything about coaching a team will always do what ever it takes to get the W. The team makes Connelly look average at the best. The Kings need to look for a stayer and not some internal appointment based on Hudsons stupid agenda.
Time to sort out the board, owners and management soon.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Anon 622

you are spot on he doesn't have the qualifications and he shouldn't been chosen in the first place but my suspicions tells me there is a reason why the Hudsons gave him the interim job and it has nothing to do with his coaching instead more so his name connected to the nba.

The kings flew over his brother last season then him this year..whos next from the Connolly family the kings with bank roll and fly over.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

HIs brother didn't work and despite all the enthusiasm he shows he isn't the permanent answer to the Kings HC job.
Time for a shake up or they will be gone again.

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paul  
Years ago

"Paul, you can't just compare wins and losses of cotter and Connolly like that it's not fair."

I didn't, I compared a number of on-court factors which back up my view that while there has been some change, there hasn't been improvement.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

How can anyone expect kings to have a winning record under any coach when they built the team around childress and Khazzouh.

Childress has barely played and Khazzouh has not lived upto expectations, i don't think either are the fault of the coach.

Where would any team be if best player was injured most of the season and the next best not playing to full potential.

Fwiw Khazzouh has always been overrated imo but i expected more than he has delivered and i don't blame it too much on coaching.

Judge the coaches on other things than wins losses and winning margins imo.

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have a go  
Years ago

JK displayed no energy. His actions did nothing to "lift" his teammates performance.

Over rated is being kind. He wanted to be "spoon fed" easy points, but did not work for the team in D or O

In contrast Chill's actions are "follow me" we can do this. Joes actions are the same as Chill's.

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paul  
Years ago

"Judge the coaches on other things than wins losses and winning margins imo."

It's more about comparing them. Both were put in a tough situation and neither has been able to make it work, understandably. There's a reason a number of coaches rejected the Kings a couple of years ago.

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Why do most of you insist in spelling his name incorrectly?

It is Connelly not Connolly.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Well Paul is it fair to expect immediate big improvement? Any improvement is likely to be subtle over such a short period of time. They have two wins and also hung with Perth for three quarters. If I'm not mistaken in their loss at new Zealand they made them have to work for it too (led at half time from memory). So there have been improvements

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Rest assured after this season no one will care.

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paul  
Years ago

"Well Paul is it fair to expect immediate big improvement? Any improvement is likely to be subtle over such a short period of time."

What's fair about coaching pro sport? If Connelly wants the job next year I think he has to show he can achieve measureable improvements.


"They have two wins and also hung with Perth for three quarters. If I'm not mistaken in their loss at new Zealand they made them have to work for it too (led at half time from memory). So there have been improvements."

Sorry, none of these are improvements.

Their winning ratio is exactly the same as under Cotter, they hadn't played Perth previously this season and they had already made NZ work for four quarters in Auckland under Cotter.

I'll stand by my first statement, which is backed up by stats, that while there have been changes their haven't been improvements.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

There, their paul ;-)

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Connolly fate will be probably decided by rest of the season. The Kings might not have wins but they have played with much more enthusiasm and better ball movement and finally the defence is showing toughness. The moving of Thornton to the bench shows that he is now starting to get some control of the team, let's be honest all coaches no how hard the Kings coaching gig is. He is also a bit of a crowd favourite which is good for the whole Nbl, I like his style. Quality coaches are not on every street corner as some on here thinks and the more we are linked to the US for basketball the better, extend his contrct for another season would be smart considering he only got the gig mid season. The improvement in Cadee, Brandt and Garlett have all been positives.

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Wookiee  
Years ago

Why do most of you insist in spelling his name incorrectly?

It is Connelly not Connolly.

Dude, most can't spell DamiAn Martin right, what makes you think that they're going to get this right? #RealisticExpectations


If Connelly wants the job next year I think he has to show he can achieve measureable improvements.

I agree with this statement, but you're also twisting the stats to suit your argument... If you work on total games won, Joe is on track to be well ahead of Cotter...

I think we're all going to have to agree to disagree... I can see that the team's attitude has changed, certain players have been stepping up, others still not, but whether that can be attributed to Joe or Chill's influence, we won't really know until one of them isn't a factor for a game or two...

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Cadee and Brandt are big improvers. I don't know the same can be said for Garlepp. He's been a frustrated passenger in many games.

As for ball movement improving...if what I've seen in the past few games (everyone stands around and watches Childress do nothing) is an improvement, it must have been woeful before.

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keep the yank  
Years ago

agree with anon 713 post below


Connolly fate will be probably decided by rest of the season. The Kings might not have wins but they have played with much more enthusiasm and better ball movement and finally the defence is showing toughness. The moving of Thornton to the bench shows that he is now starting to get some control of the team, let's be honest all coaches no how hard the Kings coaching gig is. He is also a bit of a crowd favourite which is good for the whole Nbl, I like his style. Quality coaches are not on every street corner as some on here thinks and the more we are linked to the US for basketball the better, extend his contrct for another season would be smart considering he only got the gig mid season. The improvement in Cadee, Brandt and Garlett have all been positives.

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paul  
Years ago

"I agree with this statement, but you're also twisting the stats to suit your argument... If you work on total games won, Joe is on track to be well ahead of Cotter..."

Better check your maths Wookiee. Connelly is 2/8 = 25%. Cotter was 3/12 = 25%. Thanks for the accusation though!

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Very Old  
Years ago

If he makes it to the end of the seaon, then he will have strayed as a long tern coach, its next seaon that is the question

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Anonymous  
Years ago

A couple of good points firstly about there not being good coaches on every corner. This is very pertinent. Who are the alternatives? Aussie coaching stocks are very low so it might require the roll of the dice type of choice.

Secondly, Connolly has the same winning percentage but has had to pick up the team and league on the fly, with Damion James for the most part instead of Harrington and now no khazzouh. I would say on that admittedly small sample he's shown to at least be better than cotter results wise

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Super Nintendo look I am one of garlepp s biggest haters but even I admit his stats are very good over the past 4 games or so. Connolly has lifted his confidence it seems

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Taking over a poorly coached team that has lost a lot of games over the past two years, it will take a coach sometime to instil his principles, his system, his culture on the team. Bad habits accrued over years won't immediately be snapped after a few weeks. So I think it's unfair to judge Connolly purely on wins and losses over the remainder of the season. Will probably need to look more closely at things like training, how the players respond to him and perhaps management need to have long philosophical chats with a coach to see if they are on the same page about where this team is aiming for and how they plan to achieve it. To say that he must deliver X wins over the remainder of the season is going about things the wrong way for mine.

Look at Liverpool fc and jurgenn klopp. He was one of the most sought after coaches stepping into a big but perennially underperforming club. He has taken over mid season with a team built by his predecessor and the results have been similarly inconsistent to date. You're living in fantasy land if you think Connollys candidacy should be purely judged on his winning percentage for the remainder of the year

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paul  
Years ago

If Connelly can't get some wins on the run home with Childress back there is no way he'll get the job next season.

So far the Kings are giving up more points under him than Cotter and suffering bigger losing margins, which must be a worry given the biggest criticism of the team before he took over was its defence.

The proof will be in the pudding for him over the next six weeks. No one expects miracles, but treading water like they have won't be acceptable now Childress is playing.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Any coach can coach a good team. Nuff said.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

He's doing as good as Cotter with a lot less but so far neither he or the United coach seem to be seriously good coaches.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

How has he had a lot less than Cotter. He had Khazzouh for five games and lost four.

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koberulz  
Years ago

Cotter had Harrington, Connelly had James for the one or two minutes he could be bothered paying attention.

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paul  
Years ago

Do you feel Harrington was a help? Being a PF replacing a SF he threw out team balance, only had one efficient offensive game and the Kings went from giving up 82ppg before him to 91ppg with him.

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koberulz  
Years ago

I'd be very surprised if he wasn't significantly more helpful--or less harmful, if you'd prefer--than James.

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paul  
Years ago

James was poor offensively, except against Melbourne, but he had 37 boards in his first four games. It's a bit of a myth that he didn't try, although he did go MIA in his last game.

Still, I don't see anything that says Connelly has had "a lot less", especially given he's had two productive games from Childress in his eight games, compared to Cotter's one in 12.

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koberulz  
Years ago

He has the worst shooting percentage in NBL history.

Arguing that he was trying, if anything, makes it worse.

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paul  
Years ago

He was poor offensively, as he was in France before hand (28%). Only those who hadn't done research expected him to rack up the points. But shooting percentage isn't about effort, rebounding is.

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