LV
Years ago

Finals Conspiracies

Illawarra has nothing to play for tomorrow night, except for locking in a match up they don't want (Playing vs Perth). Illawarra can’t miss out on the top 4 because their worst possible result is the 16 win mini pool which would see NZ miss out. Illawarra would much rather finish 4th and play Melbourne- who they’ve done well against this season when they had their full team.

So- they throw the game.

Perth faces the possibility- on Sunday night- of facing Adelaide in the semis if they lose to Adelaide (Because Adelaide have the split on Illawarra and would finish 3rd) or beating the 36ers and playing Illawarra.

This puts Perth in an enviable position because they’ve dominated both Illawarra and Adelaide this season. But losing to Adelaide and letting Adelaide finish 3rd and Illawarra 4th has extra benefits:

- Ensures NZ misses out. Perth would not want to play NZ in the GF.
- Allows Perth to try different matchups and strategies directly before the series. Adelaide won’t have that benefit because they will be purely focused on winning.
- A 36ers team with a recovering Randle is a lesser beast than a full strength Illawarra.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Rob Beveridge is making a few sneaky phone calls to some of his old protégé’s this week, or vice versa. This works for both Illawarra and Perth, and all that needs to happen is that they both throw their games this weekend.

(If I remember correctly, the 16 win mini pool would still have Adelaide finishing 3rd, because the 5-3, 5-3 mini mini pool would arise between Adelaide and Illawarra. Because theyd both be 5-3 in the series including NZ. Adelaide then wins the head to head vs Illawarra. So if Adelaide wins both they should get 3rd spot regardless of what happens in the two Melbourne vs NZ games. But I’d just want someone to confirm that this is how the mini pool works).

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yes Adelaide can still get 3rd under that scenario.

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Isaac  
Years ago

I strongly doubt that anyone is making calls about this, but would be making independent decisions.

As soon as I saw the article about Bevo and the Hawks going out and out to win the Adelaide game, I thought "They're not really going to try." No inside knowledge of any sort but as you said, it makes sense for them to try and tackle Melbourne first.

Realistically, either top two side is going to trouble Adelaide and Illawarra (who don't have a great match up for Warrick). Only NZ would go into games against Perth and Melbourne with some confidence: good scoring options, finals pedigree, great defenders at at least three positions.

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LV  
Years ago

Right- so Adelaide will get 3rd spot if they win both, regardless of whether its Ade-Ill-NZ all 16 wins, or Ade-Ill 16 wins and NZ less than 16 wins?

In that case my conspiracy makes perfect sense. Illawarra wants to avoid Perth and would much rather play Melbourne, Perth would rather play Adelaide and Perth would love it if NZ were out of the picture.

So Illawarra and Perth both lose, and NZ's out.

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snooch  
Years ago

I honestly think every team believes it can beat every other team.
You don't mess with your form at this stage of the season.

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paul  
Years ago

These sorts of decisions are made regularly in European and international hoops, and I suspect we've already seen one this round that indicates Perth v Illawarra is the preferred match up out west.

Very interested to see how the round plays out though, hopefully there is still some suspense left on Sunday.

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Except for the Boomers. The Boomers NEVER rest players to get a favourable match-up...

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Luuuc  
Years ago

Adelaide paying $3.55 for a win vs hawks and $3.45 for a win vs Cats.
Just FYI

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Adelaide win mini league against Illawarra if tied on record (assuming they win tomorrow).

They also win mini league against both Illawarra & NZ if all three are tied.

The only exception is if Adelaide are ONLY tied with NZ, then NZ qualify.

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LV  
Years ago

Australia threw the game vs Angola in the 2014 world championships. (Legal disclaimer: "Threw the game" is to be interpreted as “Tried their best and lost the game”).

If it happens in the World Championships, it can happen in the NBL. Bevo and Gleeson are very shrewd operators. They know what's best for themselves and their teams.

And- no collusion is even necessary. Once Perth sees Adelaide win on Friday night, they’ll know what to do.

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Very Old  
Years ago

and Italy just lucked a 7 point win against Cuba . This type of match fixing was old 36 years ago

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Bevo's only protege who coaches an NBL side is Shawn Dennis so its ok if he calls him this week.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Boomers showed how n00b Australia are at match fixing. Fifty years behind but you learn from your mistakes so here's to next time. *wink*

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kingpodge  
Years ago

I don't think there is a fav matchup, all the top 4 teams can beat each other on any given night (hell that's the case for the top 6).

I'd be resting my injury prone players though, I was surprised to see Knight play last night..

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Anonymous  
Years ago

We'll see if Bevo has Larry Davidson playing the point late in the 4th to see if this has any validity.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"all the top 4 teams can beat each other on any given night (hell that's the case for the top 6)."

Except Cairns on the road.

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kingpodge  
Years ago

another outstanding post anon.

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Wwizard  
Years ago

while snooch makes a valid point; i wonder if that was the case with kings v wildcats the other night. sydney won by how much?

its a dangerous proposition to lose games at the death knell of a season prior to playoffs

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Isaac  
Years ago

I doubt it's an issue when you have a very experienced team culture. I'd say any coach of Perth could switch on the core of that team when required.

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snooch  
Years ago

I agree Isaac, although potentially losing HCA right throughout the playoffs could come back to bite you. I know if I was coaching Perth I'd want that crowd behind me as much as I possibly could!

That said, resting those guys might end up being a smart move because they have legitimate niggles.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I'm surprised Wildcats didn't go for it. Having HCA throughout is the eventual champion in probably 85% of the playoffs since 2000.

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Luuuc  
Years ago

Cats also understand better than most teams how costly it can be to have players not fit for a playoff campaign.
I don't think there's a universal right & wrong answer, but I've got no doubt that the 4 Cats players rested had actual injury issues. As valuable as HCA is, I'm happy with the direction we chose.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Three of the four would be offended at being called a monkey.

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koberulz  
Years ago

I agree Isaac, although potentially losing HCA right throughout the playoffs could come back to bite you. I know if I was coaching Perth I'd want that crowd behind me as much as I possibly could!
To be fair, the Wildcats lose way more often than they win in higher-attended home games.

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LV  
Years ago

Perth's team and coaches probably think that the Hawks and NZ stand a roughly equal chance of knocking Melbourne over. That's what I would have thought. So it doesnt really matter to them who Melbourne plays in the semi.

And the Cats would fancy their chances of beating either Illawarra or Adelaide (7 from 7 against those two).

But here's the big incentive: Cats definitely have an incentive to boot NZ out of the playoffs. Given the playoffs history, and the results this season where NZ got the better of them.

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LV  
Years ago

But I suppose point 1 will depend on this weekend. If they watch the NZ vs MU matches and decide MU will struggle there, then Perth may try to beat Adelaide to set up that matchup.

Because Perth's number one incentive would be avoiding MU and retaining home court advantage in any other matchup.

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Do you think Melbourne want to face NZ in the first round?

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Perth's number one incentive is to have a full strength team going in to the playoffs.

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LV  
Years ago

At this point, Melbourne have struggled against both NZ and Illawarra (In the 2 matches where Illawarra were at full strength).

But Melbourne will have home court advantage in either case. It's apples and oranges because they've only played NZ twice. So I doubt MU would have a strong preference- pending this weekend's results. NZ certainly has size and power over them whereas Illawarra is a more like for like matchup. But MU has beaten Perth 3 times, and MU smashed Cairns the last two- so MU has form on the board against the bigger, powerful teams as well.

I agree that the incentive is to be healthy. But if you aren't carrying injuries (Who knows if MU is or not?), then it's a question of the "Do you mess with form?"thing or not. I don't really have a strong view there

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Thunder Jam  
Years ago

Breakers are out in straight games whoever they play. Be fair dinkum,they aren't playing well enough.

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Luuuc  
Years ago

MU don't need to be too concerned with the other teams' positions. Their #1 goal at this point should be to do whatever they can to prevent anyone other than LK from owning the league before the GF series is over :p

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koberulz  
Years ago

NZ were pretty average coming into the playoffs last season and never looked like losing a game, much less a series.

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Dazz  
Years ago

So, you're saying Hawks would rather play MU?
Only problem with this is that its not up to them.
At best, they throw the game against Adelaide, and it then comes down to the Perth v Adelaide game.
Keep in mind that it is the final game, so all results are known.
So, if everything goes according to your plan, Perth have the choice of playing to win, and facing the team they have beaten 4 times,
or losing to Adelaide so they can play them again in the SF?

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

I like a tin foil hat like the rest of everyone, but it's not like teams are manufacturing injuries and resting, for example, four players in a game and then playing their ABL quality second team.......

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Keany  
Years ago

Just waiting for the MU cheating at home thing to come up soon

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Marcus Camby  
Years ago

@Dazz..

If it came down to Sundays game and the Cats had the 'option' of sending either Hawks or Sixers to MU, wouldn't they want to send Hawks to MU?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Irrelevant. LK owns the league therefore his team wins the championship. Top seed secured after some interesting regular season results so nearly there.

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