Crazy Horse
Years ago
Just saw the article on the Big V website
So Melton win D1M, retain everyone, add a current NBL player and a 300+ game SABL star AND ARE STILL PLAYING D1???
Can someone explain this to me?
LV
Years ago
That is quite extraordinary.
If Patton is genuinely having a crack, then he could easily average 35 and 20.
LV
Years ago
Although given his game, 37 and 14 would be a more likely stat line
Have heard a rumour Shaun Bruce from Cairns will also be playing for Melton.
All in the rules as neither Patton or Bruce have played enough to become restricted players
Melton would probably make top 4 in SCM with that team (without even adding the second import that they would be able to get if they played SCM)
Bear
Years ago
How old is Patton?
I don't get it, D1 from NBL bench isn't what I would call common sense...
spot up
Years ago
They're adding players late, the draw has already been confirmed, so it's a bit hard to change things now. Great for Melton, but a bit surprising that Chris Patton would see that as a good move for him in his development.
They paying him more than what any Big v Champ or Seabl team will pay him.
Went there for the money.
spot up
Years ago
Sorry not up to speed on Div 1 rules...can they have 1 import plus 1 restricted Aussie?
Going to need to be an amateur/no import division soon. Becoming a free for all and not sustainable.
Bear
Years ago
I he guaranteed an NBL contract for 2016-17?
That could explain the 'seeking cash' idea, otherwise I would expect a guy with his size and potential to be no less than SEABL or SCM level to be honest.
This is just ridiculous that they are playing that team in Div 1. Why are they not in SCM Patton was signed in November
Hoopster 65
Years ago
Maybe ask BIGV why Melton didn't go up to SCM after winning last year.
Will be good for Chris to get some minutes and you would think some big numbers.
How do the Vics have money to pump into even really low level ball. Boggles the mind.
Anonymous
Years ago
Because they have very healthy Domestic & Junior Rep comps with high participation numbers.
But you have to wonder if the money would be better spent either by investing in growth (new stadiums and upgrades) &/or lowering the cost to participants or maybe even have two or 3 Big V teams. That way many of the juniors that come through would have somewhere to go after they finish U18/U20's, instead on Monday night Men's or Women's domestic?
Does anyone know why Big V refused Melton entry into SCM?
Casey started in D3 and ended up in D1M with only one finals appearance?
MELHOOPS
Years ago
Melton have a very average junior rep program, this alone is reason enough to restrict them from playing SCM as they cannot sustain it until they get their junior program up to the level that can support the senior program long term.
Chris is known to the Melton Coach and will only play half the season, at which time he will depart for Europe where he can play as a non-import. This is also the reason no SEABL or SCM team picked him up.
Dwayne Pipe
Years ago
MELHOOPS, is junior rep program taken into account when allowing a team to make State Champ though? In recent years we have seen other clubs (Corio Bay and Sherbrooke for example) who's Junior Programs I think would not be considered big or at the highest level(No/Very few teams in VC etc). Arguments could possibly be made of some other Associations in SC too.
Melton has a refurbished stadium (I believe) and is in one of Melbourne growth areas. Its Senior Mens team has proved over the last few years to be a decent standard, backed that up with titles, and its Youth league was also doing quite well.
Why shouldn't they be granted access ?
Name any scm clubs that feed a lot of their juniors into their teams anyways? Seabl clubs for that matter?
^ Good call, on the money
not even D1 or D2 teams have high numbers of their own players playing
but to be honest Melton have more of their juniors playing in the likes of McCallum, Kirk, Crowe etc. Compare to Chelsea and Casey who have none of their juniors in their teams
people need to stop being so quick to judge one or two teams and look at what happens across the whole Big V
spot up
Years ago
These are all the reasons why promotion/relegation based on any other than where you finish the previous season is ridiculous.
Earn your promotion through performance, and if you fail in a season you know that you'll be relegated. At least then you know what you're playing for, and the debate over where different teams 'should' be playing will die down.
The problem is over time you end up with an in balance. some teams in SCM and D1 should not be there and are there just because they have been luck not to finish last. Likewise there are teams in D2 that are better than some of the D1 teams and have just not been able to win it
Plus should you go the team on that wins the championship or the team that was the best team all year? for instance Keysborough who were maybe the 3rd or 4th best team in D2 this year pulled a championship out of there backsides and go up and leave Westernport who were better than half of D1 in D2. But then Melton win D1 and don't go up because it was claimed by other clubs that they were not the best team in D1 therefore they are staying in that league
Anonymous
Years ago
Actually Melton were refused by BigV, along with Casey.
spot up
Years ago
If teams don't win it, then they're not good enough. There is also the option of two-up two-down if there's concern about not having enough movement, but surely the imbalance is no better when it's all by application only and purely subjective?
Having a goal throughout the season to either win it (or stay up) has to be a positive.
'Spot on' so with your philosophy what would happen if a team went undefeated all year then lost a few starters to injury then drops game 2 and 3 of the championship series and doesn't win the championship??
spot up
Years ago
They'd stay in the same division..
The option of having two go up is also there. you could guarantee the team that finishes on top will go up, along with the team that wins it. In the event that it's the same team, the runners up could go up too. A few options, but I just think having something to play for has to better.
Froggy
Years ago
Shaun Bruce rumour - Not true (Is restricted anyway)
Chris is contracted to Melbourne United in 2017, will be playing for Melton all season. Is an unrestricted NBL player after averaging less than 10mins per game in previous season.
Local Melton players, Shane Moroney, Blake Allison, Jeff Crowe, Jordan Kirk, Cam McCallum.
Juniors playing in Men's program in 2016, Jake Prior, Jackson Jones, Liam Allison, Matthew Hoyland, Jimmy Mullins.
Jay Todorov is a returning local player after playing at higher level.
Only non Melton player is Matthew Jukes (ex Keilor) lives in Bacchus Marsh returning for Year 2 at club.
Import Ivan Harris.
Name one other senior program that has had the Big V success and promotion of juniors into senior ranks in last 3 years.
This also answers the questions on sustainability & Budget. More promotion/development of juniors result in opportunities to spend money on targeted GAPS within program to help club. Something Melton has done very well.
I think that clears up everything except why we were not promoted. Julie Anderson and Tim Mottin are best to answer those questions.
Finals system or structure has much to do with why teams sneak through to title games or winning championships.
Win the right game and avoid quality teams on your way through because the draw opens up and then get a home final in week 1 as the lowest ranked team in the title series.
This puts huge amount of pressure on the higher ranked team if they do drop the 1st game on the road as expected.
Think when there is 2 pools the league may need to revamp the finals structure to give more of an advantage to the higher ranked teams as opposed to an equal chance to all teams.
Last seasons title game in D1 was eventually played between 3rd placed teams from each division if I am not mistaken.
Full credit to those 2 clubs but can you imagine the top placed AFL team having the same chance of making the grand final to that of the 8th placed team, doesn't add up !!
Wacka
Years ago
Thanks for the clarification Froggy. I think it seems the majority of posters agree Melton could be playing SCM. With that team that you mentioned it shows how strong not only the senior team is but the entire Melton program. Great to see an up and coming program in a major growth area doing so many great things. Credit to them. Looks like you will go back to back, best of luck
Out of curiosity, what were the reasons given by the people you mentioned as to why you are not going up?
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