Anonymous
Years ago

Gibson not retained by 36ers

Anyone care?

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Train  
Years ago

Released ? I thought he was out of contract. Either way I wouldn't be losing any sleep if I was a 36er fan. While he was great 2-3 years ago he is nothing more than a starter on a poor team or a bench player on a good side. Has lacked the killer instinct in his time with 36ers

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Not retained/ resigned would have been better I agree. Hopefully someone can edit title for me

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Train  
Years ago

after watching Gibson play this year , I get the feeling he is holding back. Is that his own confidence issues or direction from his Coach. He has the potential to be so much more than he has been showing in the last 2 seasons.

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Indominous-Rex  
Years ago

I love Randle, and I get that Gibson has been on the decline for a while now, however I can't help but think that Randle had something to do with Gibsons decline this year.

Now I don't mean as in Randle did it on purpose, however I think that cos of how much of a ball heavy guard Randle is and how much of a ball heavy guard Gibson is, Randle essentially made Gibson useless. (or even more than usual)

Either way, I'd be happy to have Gibson at Sydney.

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Dave  
Years ago

I'm just glad that the sixers seem to be making decisions as soon as possible setting the team up for the next season. Gibbo was great for the club but a move will probably benefit both the team amd the player.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Agree train. Wilson told me he wanted to pass more but he was told to drive in and that resulted in turnovers in finals series. He was torn between being a team player and the guy who pushes his team out of the game. Same for last 3 imports leaving Gibbo and the rest of the team flat footed.. Coaching strategy issue. Good luck to Gibbo and I agree we will see him back to his old self especially with foot surgery complete and on the mend.

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Dazz  
Years ago

I have never understood why, with Gibson on the team and presumably being paid good money, Joey's priority always seemed to be getting another PG?
I'm guessing Gibson is more of a combo, and Joey didn't rate him highly enough to leave him in charge, but still you need to work with what you've got.
That's history now, and I think the writing has been on the wall for a while. Either Joey wanted rid of Gibson, or he suspected Gibson was going to leave and planned accordingly. Either way, their way forward looks promising with Randle locked in at PG, and Joey looking for an Import SG.

Keep hearing the rumours that he is Brisbane bound? Wait and see I guess, but he would appeal to a team like that looking for a readymade capable PG. Will depend on what they want to use their import slots for.

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Watto  
Years ago

He'd be a good backup PG for the wildcats. Kenny could drop back to 11th man

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ME (he/kangaroo)  
Years ago

I like Gibson but even he'd admit he didn't have the best few seasons. I wont cry in my sleep about this if we can get a solid point guard to slot alongside Randle. Best of luck to Adam.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Great Train. Let's just ignore the ankle injury he carried all season and said nothing.
Anyone placing their faith in a midget in Randle is also foolish.

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Tornado  
Years ago

Gibson has above average ability to learn team sets and pass the ball but has below average ball handling, shooting and ability to create on the fly.

As for his defence, he always looked active but was rarely affective.

It is for those below average reasons why Joey always paired him with a dynamic scoring pg and why Gibson really is an overrated pg.

Anon...I think you would be more foolish to continue paying Gibson good money and putting your faith in him over a player who led the league in scoring and was second in assists.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Dating a well established successful lawyer in Brissy so no doubt he will be there. Good luck to him.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I think it's pretty funny that people are saying he has the ability to pass. Who inbounded the ball in the Townsville game?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

He will end up with United

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Master Chief  
Years ago

Gibson is a point guard. I think he needs to get away from Joey.

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Benno  
Years ago

^hope not!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Gibbo is controlled by a coach who gave him his start and helped him along with his mum who is a coach when he was growing up. But a coach that has been with a player from a young age needs to let the player be his own player too and make some decisions for themselves and play with intuition. Yes he is a PG runs plays and brilliant at it and why Lemanis is a fan. And that pass may well have been one that he was told to do but coaches don't always own up to bad calls. The team has become flat footed parallel to the higher scoring the import PG is. We all remember the games ovet the last few yrars when injured imports off court led to amazing games by the team led by Gibbo and a scoring, rebounding and soread of assists. Gibbo will perform as he will he released from thinking he owes someone everything for his success in turmoil with his own intuition. He lost himself and he can get back now his 'father figure' coach won't have control anymore.. this is why a boss employee, coach player relationship mist always have some emotional distance. If the wheels fall off or the values of each party differ then some distance can make the negotiations of how to resolve a situation run smoother and not get protracted so as not to offend someone.

I don't believe the sixers can suceed at a championship with the idea of a high scoring PG over a good play running disciplined PG with fair shooting ability bringing players in to the game. This is a defensive league as well and height may not play a part in offence for these imports but its no good scoring if the opposition can get by you or over you every single time. Teams are running sets that exploit this well. Unfortunately in this league there is no recording of players defence as in who scores on you, who drops a player or fails to plug, help or switch so anokayer with high scores may also be the reason a team loses as well.

Good luck Gibbo, enjoy your freedom and like Walker you will be reborn on court and extend your playing years tenfold with this move.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I also think this will be best for both sides

I always saw Gibson as a defensive pg, a cross between D Martin and Beal, but not not as athletic and good on defense as Marttin, and not the scorer like a Beal, but a better shooter and scorer than MArtin generally,

I always thought the best way to use Gibson was to put a scoring sg next to him and let him run the pg, so someone like a Beal or Lisch or even a Farley type would have worked better with Gibbo than a scoring pg imo.

Given Joey doesnt seem to want to use him in this role and loves his small scoring pgs then i think its best that Gibson moves on, i wouldnt be surprised if he does a bit better next year if given the defensive pg role that i think he is suited to, i think Joey was trying to turn him into a Lisch, a guy who could score heavily and be a really good defender, but to me thats not his game

He seemed to strugle the last 2 years, i wondered if injury had a part, which by rumours it did, but if you see your self as a pg and never get the ball its probably hard to assert yourself on the game, he didnt play well next to Randle and Wilson, but did have a good year next to Ervin, who is also a scoring pg, so a bit strange to see such a difference, but Ervin had the team moving quicker than Wilson and Randle did generally imo, and had more success as a result, i always wanted Ervin back, and was concerned when we seemed to want to pay Randle big.

Randle as great as he is, hasnt done anything that a guy like Gary Ervin has done, remember Ervin was MVP in his first season for the Hawks, and probably costs twice as much as say Ervin does, is he worth the difference?? I guess we will find out, this is one reason im glad it ended up beign just a 1 year contract.

I also have the concern that NBL championship teams starting pgs, seem to be bigger and more defensive types than the pgs that Joey goes for ala Martin, Gibson, Cedric Jackson, D-Mac, even guys like CJ Bruton are bigger and better defenders than a Randle type, so on this basis was wondering if its wise to make a small pg the 'Franchise guy' on big bucks like we look to have done with Randle, but if Joey loves these small pgs, Randle is about as good as you will get, so may as well keep him, i just hope we havnt invested too much into him, as great as he is.

All the best to Gibson, i think both you and the 36ers will be better off from this move

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Tornado  
Years ago

Gibbo aint a great pg and you are kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

I always remember a game against NZ a couple years back and the game was on the line...under pressure he dribbled straight into Ced Jackson who stole the ball off him and ran away for the easy 2. He was done from that point on and too scared to bring the ball up the court.

He is no good under pressure (also cue the Townsville in bounds pass)...that's not pg material.

Just on that Townsville pass, that's part of his problem...he is so intent on running the play it's a problem. He doesn't have the flair or nous to adapt or create - he is predictable.

Blame injuries all you want but he hasn't been injured his whole career and these issues have been staples throughout.

I do like the guy but he would have to be the most overrated player in a long time.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The starting pgs on championship teams over the last 10 years have been

D-Mac (2006,2008)
CJ Bruton (2007,2011 (Braswell also on the team))
Gibson (2009)
Martin (2010,2014, 2016)
Ced Jackson (2012-13, 2015)

So Gibson is on a short list, i agree he probably at times is over rated, but this shows why he is seen as one of the best aussie pgs and is constantly in or around the boomers

Gibsons back up was Rhys Carter at the Dragons and the other guy who was a bit of a play maker was Ingles, no other pgs on the roster.

This list also shows a trend for guys who are good defenders and also above 6'0, which is one doubt people have with guys like Randle, Ervin, etc winning titles.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Joey pumped him up them deflated him. I think its a bit rich to say the 36ers released him as opposed to he wanted to head back to Brisbane and be with his girl and play for a team he has had previous success for.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

And I accepted the title was poor right up the top there

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Dazz  
Years ago

"I wont cry in my sleep about this if we can get a solid point guard to slot alongside Randle."
Seems to be a tendency towards some coaches/ teams going with a combo guard to pair with their PG, rather than dedicated SG. Joey particular seems to like the idea of two combos running together.
Talk in the other thread was of him chasing an import combo, which fits.
Personally, I would say that Joey needs to get past his "issues" and actually hire some guys who are taller than him. LOL
Randle is too small, and weak defensively, BUT his exceptional offence seems to be a perfect fit for Joey's game-plan. Interesting to see who he chooses to partner Randle.

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Tornado  
Years ago

Gibson was lucky winning that title with the Dragons...that team was stacked. Even if Rhys Carter was the starting point they still would have won that title.

That doesn't sell me on Gibson at all.

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AngusH  
Years ago

Gibson is miles better when he is being used as the primary ballhandler. As soon as he is off the ball, he disappears on offense, and it seems to affect him on defense, too. You're never going to tell a team not to go grab a guy like Randle, but Adelaide's insistance on signing import PGs seems to have been a waste of one of the best Australian PGs in the league. He's only 29, still has a couple of peak years left, and should be a good pickup for the new Brisbane team as I assume will end up happening.

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Rat10  
Years ago

To me Gibson has always been a solid player in many facets of the game without being brilliant in any of them. He's a very very good on ball defender particularly because of his physical strength but as said above he doesn't really possess the speed or athleticism of a guy like Damian Martin to really disrupt of defence.

I've always thought his jumper wasn't consistent enough either. Occasionally he'd get on a role with his shooting but it never lasted for too long. Shooting 34% from 3 pt range is solid but not elite like a Brett Maher for instance.

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proud  
Years ago

I hate the guy, think he is so overrated and boo him every time I see him live but I can't help but feel like the NBL is missing it's chance to have him (and Lucas Walker) be the faces of a Tasmanian team.

If we are ever going to have a team there then Gibbo still in his prime and off contract seems like the best way to make that team successful.

Opportunity lost

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Ervin and Gibbo shared a house so knew each other as mates off court. Makes a difference and Ervin had also been around NBL a while so knew the game.

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ME (he/kangaroo)  
Years ago

Proud, there is no opportunity lost because there is no plan or likeliness of a team in Tasmania happening any time soon.

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FM  
Years ago

Always love a call for a Tasmanian team. They use to have one of the
most passionate crowds. Brought some of the crowd along to games interstate. They made a decent impact back @ Apollo.

"Casino our name and basketball is our game, come along and join in all the fun.."

Then the rest of Australia started getting Casino's therefore the money stopped flying into Hobart, Casino reduces profits. No more big bucks for the most expensive franchise for an owner to run.

Would love to see them back, I just don't know how they would fund it.

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proud  
Years ago

I don't deny that they are no longer interested but I find it sad as it sounded like going through but my point is that for as much as I feel Gibbo isn't worth the credit he gets, he's still the man that Tasmania could have built their whole club around from a marketing perspective.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

You are spot on #699. I'm the first to admit Joey has flaws. I think we all know that. But at the end of the day, Gibson is responsible for his career. You can't constantly blame the coach because you like the guy. He has huge deficiencies in his game and if Joey is helping him, he'd have others at his disposal to help.

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Tornado  
Years ago

Gibson and primary ball handler should not be used in the same sentence.

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Beantown  
Years ago

I agree with you Tornado that Gibson is not quick enough or a good enough ball-handler to be the primary creator on a contender. That is exactly why Joey kept bringing in quick import PGs. Its no more complex than that.

And I disagree completely with the idea that Randle is a ball-hog and Gibson has suffered because of it. During the season, both guys were near the top of the league in assists per game.

Whilst Randle at times shot it a lot, it was often because he was the best person to take the shot. I witnessed many games where he spent large periods deferring to others and trying to get his team-mates good looks.

Gibson gave the club good service and I appreciated having him on the team. It is simply time for him to move on.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yet when Randle plays there is a lot of points against from exploitation of his height. You have to look both ends of the court

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Tornado  
Years ago

Anon...if you take into account the +/- for Randle Vs Gibson I would put a large sum of money on Randle having the better rate of return.

Gibson is active on defence but isn't a great defender...don't get confused or fooled!

I really don't get or understand the love for Gibson?! He would be ideal off the bench but not as a starter. That's why he has fit in so well with the Boomers off the bench...when the coach feels they need to settle down and run a structured play Gibson will give you that but he is not someone you want as your primary pg.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I see Gibson as a Derek Fisher type PG, a role player not a franchise star, i think be is fine to have on your team, and even as starting pg, but you cant pay him huge $$$ or it makes it hard to build a really strong team and you need a bigger, dynamic, scoring guard next to him,

IF Brisbane are going for Gibson and Goulding backcourt that could work, a bit like a NBL version of Fisher and Kobe, but yea you have to pay Gibson like a strong role player not a star, also like Derek Fisher in the NBA,

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jon_ham_cock  
Years ago

Joey and Gibbo's player/coach relationship should have been broken up a few years ago.

Gibbo hasn't improved on offense in a while and has gone backwards on defense.

The is potential that the 3 import rule would squeeze a player like Gibbo the most. He has historically been well paid although with 3 imports you'd almost guarantee one will be a young hungry point guard on a low contract.

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Tornado  
Years ago

That's exactly it...with the 3 import rule you can get what Gibson offers (if not more) for a lot less.

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Very Old  
Years ago

I don't believe that Gibson as a PG ever really made his team mates around him better players, ( in fact I though he blamed them for his mistakes) and as a SG I don't think we ever carried a team to a close win in crunch time. So as a combo guard he was only ever a "safe" choice.

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Dazz  
Years ago

I'm no expert, but Gibson has always struck me as a bit of a tweener. Yes, with the Boomers he'd be a good bench option, able to back up both the 1 & 2, but then there are probably better options for both bench spots in a full-strength Boomers line-up.

I think he's a decent option as a PG, not the high-scoring PG many coaches have favoured in the NBL, but decent none the less.
Personally, I think Joey should have kept him and pursued dedicated SG's, but then I guess you wouldn't have Randle.
With Randle, you're better off pursuing a bigger SG, who can also hopefully add on defence.

Frankly, Joey has never seemed particularly fond of making good use of what he's got. He has basically started his own progressive rebuild. It seems that taking the 6's to a GF in his first season secured his ability to do this, and the owners have backed him. On the one hand I would have preferred to see them more competitive this season, but on the other it is nice to see a team backing in their coach long-term. Over the next 1-2 seasons (depending on how his new imports pan out) he should have the team he wants, and it will be exciting times for the 6's.

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PeterJohn  
Years ago

"He is no good under pressure"

"We all remember the games ovet the last few yrars when injured imports off court led to amazing games by the team led by Gibbo and a scoring, rebounding and soread of assists."

I see these as two sides of the same coin. I've said previously on this forum that I believe Gibson performs best when expectations (pressure) are lowest. Hence the 'amazing games' and why he usually performs better than expected in Boomers' games.

Good luck to Gibson wherever he plays. Nonetheless, I'm glad it won't be for the 36ers.

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ROFLcopter  
Years ago

Paired with CG43 in Brisbane I reckon Gibbo could be part of something special. He certainly has the tools...not sure what's happened the last few years.

He needed a fresh start so hope it works out for him.

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Thunder Jam  
Years ago

That certainly will give Brisbane two tools!

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Isaac  
Years ago

I think Gibson is a quality player, just over it in Adelaide for whatever reason. Either long-planned the return to Brisbane, fell out with the coach, etc. Barely even matters what it is. He'll likely be better once he moves on and Adelaide will be better off replacing him.

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Dazz  
Years ago

Correct, have to think he's going to do a lot better under Lemanis, who apparently rates him.

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proud  
Years ago

I'd still take Damien Martin over Gibbo for the Bookers because you know what Damo gives you, deficiencies and all but nobody can predict what sort of game Gibbo will have.

My issue with him in Adelaide is I thought he was gifted ten minutes per game more than he deserved and had those extra ten minutes went to Any combination of Teys/Creek or Sobey then I think they would have been in a better position in games.

Brendan Teys is the sort of player that would flourish coming off the bench at Perth but it felt like he was lucky to be in their ten man rotation.

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Kyrie2Nation  
Years ago

I just hope we can sign a 2 guard who is ACTUALLY A 2 GUARD. The last two seasons we've had dysfunctional offences because we have two PG's starting every week.

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