Anon
Last year

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Spoilt for Riches

After watching the U.S vs Argentina showcase today it seems unlikely anyone will be getting close to these guys. Which got me thinking how spoilt they are for talent as they could enter another team with players equal to or better at each position..Who would win in this match up?

Current Team:
Irving/Lowry
Thompson/Derozan
Durant/George/Barnes
Melo/Green
Cousins/Jordan


Potential Team:
Curry/Paul/Lillard
Westbrook/Harden
LBJ/Leonard
Griffin/Aldridge
Davis/Howard

Would say the potential team at each position except the center spot. Thoughts?

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RMQ
Last year
00:03 24 Jul 16

Reply #592126

re: Spoilt for Riches

The USA select team would probably win gold too.


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ME
Last year
00:14 24 Jul 16

Reply #592128

re: Spoilt for Riches

I wouldn't be falling too hard for the US team just yet. They easily beat an Argentine team which is a husk of its former glory, but they did it by jacking up junk and dominating them inside.

USA wont be quite so dominant on the O boards against the better teams in the competition. They also don't appear to have much happening from mid-range. If you have a solid inside defensive presence and you make it out to shooters you could potentially trouble or beat the USA.

A team that wants a shot at them would have to be efficient offensively. Turn overs would be costly so you need a team that is either conservative, or can get back on transition defense to nullify their fast break game. Australia did a half decent job of that in 2012 before three quarter time.

Any team that wants a shot would also be praying on a poor shooting night. There will, as usual, be nights when the Americans turn up and simply cant miss. On those nights you might as well just throw in the towel.

But can they be beaten? Yes, they can. And they're at their weakest on paper that they've ever been since 1992


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Ricey
Last year
00:31 24 Jul 16

Reply #592133

re: Spoilt for Riches

You'll also need to hope the referee they have isn't American who misses a bunch of calls which seems to be a regular occurrence in the Olympics for team USA.


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Anonymous
Last year
01:02 24 Jul 16

Reply #592134

re: Spoilt for Riches

They are the favourites for sure but wont dominate like you may think.

Spain
Lithuania
Serbia
France

All very good teams...


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Anonymous
Last year
08:16 24 Jul 16

Reply #592136

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The referees cannot referee their own country at the Olympics Ricey


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ME
Last year
10:19 24 Jul 16

Reply #592137

re: Spoilt for Riches

"They are the favourites for sure but wont dominate like you may think.

Spain
Lithuania
Serbia
France

All very good teams..."

I'd put Australia in that mix, especially with Bogut. I wouldn't expect Australia to win against the USA but I think we can give them a game on our day.

Serbia is not as good as they were in the World Cup. They're a team rebuilding and I wouldn't expect them to be in medal calculations. They don't have much of an inside presence now.

Brazil is probably the other threat to the USA and a strong medal candidate.


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Anonymous
Last year
12:12 24 Jul 16

Reply #592139

re: Spoilt for Riches

Usa's worst player would be first picked for the Boomers, no chance of beating them !!


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XY
Last year
13:32 24 Jul 16

Reply #592140

re: Spoilt for Riches

"USA's worst player would be first picked for the boomers" - yes, probably

"No chance of beating them" - no, some chance, even if only 5%


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Anonymous
Last year
13:52 24 Jul 16

Reply #592141

re: Spoilt for Riches

Usa fielded their third string side at the last world cup and won really easily. They will win again.


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ME
Last year
14:02 24 Jul 16

Reply #592142

re: Spoilt for Riches

""USA's worst player would be first picked for the boomers" - yes, probably

"No chance of beating them" - no, some chance, even if only 5%"

Basketball games are played on the court, not on paper. The USA would have never lost a single game if we use that logic. The USA was beaten by Greece, who didn't have a single NBA player at the time.


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Anonymous
Last year
14:14 24 Jul 16

Reply #592143

re: Spoilt for Riches

Yes and then Greece lost by 40 to Spain in the final without P Gasol playing


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Anonymous
Last year
14:35 24 Jul 16

Reply #592144

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Australia's best player is who, Delly? And we could give the US a run for their money? Please.


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Anonymous
Last year
15:46 24 Jul 16

Reply #592146

re: Spoilt for Riches

There's one glaring reason why you can't put Australia a chance to compete with the U.S, it's an absolutely horrible matchup.

The U.S play small 1 through 4. We have a glut of bigs that don't have the athleticism to play the 4 against them. On top of that, we don't have any long athletic wings to match them even in the 2 spot, let alone the 4.

Our bigs can contain the 5 spot of the U.S to an extent (nobody is stopping Cousins).

But that 4 spot is going to be the undoing for Australia.


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fstos
Last year
16:43 24 Jul 16

Reply #592148

re: Spoilt for Riches

Good point anon 146. This is the reason that Vukona is (or was) such a great player at international level. His mobility and strength allowed him to match up with mobile 4's and compete with bigger 4's.


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ME
Last year
17:17 24 Jul 16

Reply #592151

re: Spoilt for Riches

"Australia's best player is who, Delly? And we could give the US a run for their money? Please. "

Err, no. Australia's best player is Andrew Bogut, or failing that, Patty Mills.

"

There's one glaring reason why you can't put Australia a chance to compete with the U.S, it's an absolutely horrible matchup.

The U.S play small 1 through 4. We have a glut of bigs that don't have the athleticism to play the 4 against them. On top of that, we don't have any long athletic wings to match them even in the 2 spot, let alone the 4.

Our bigs can contain the 5 spot of the U.S to an extent (nobody is stopping Cousins).

But that 4 spot is going to be the undoing for Australia.
"

Broekhoff or Ingles would probably played the 4 in a small ball line up. We have the versatility to play big and small. A line up with Delly/Lisch Mills, Ingles, Broekhoff, Bogut/Baynes as the main seven and a touch of Bairstow and Goulding with the rest relegated to the bench would atleast be able to keep pace with the Americans when it comes to running the floor.


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Anonymous
Last year
20:55 24 Jul 16

Reply #592153

re: Spoilt for Riches

This Australian team doesn't have much versatility at all.

The guards are all small without length, and that's for both guard spots. Your biggest guard is 6'4 at a reach in this team.

We have two wings, legit! Both can't play the 4 spot either as they aren't good enough rebounders or able to at least keep people off the boards. Both of which again are more suited to the 2/3 role.

Then you have 6 bigs (who are actually all Cs truely), none of which are particularly athletic or able to defend well on the perimeter.

You have an extremely limited ability to switch pick and rolls, limited in who you can matchup with defensively, really poor floor spacing with most lineups.

I can see Lemanis is going for the dominate the game inside strategy, and over-power teams, and they will overmatch the weaker squads, but otherwise these weaknesses will be too much to overcome.

This team is built perfectly for the 1980/1990s, but horribly for 2016.


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Anonymous
Last year
23:31 24 Jul 16

Reply #592154

re: Spoilt for Riches

Australia can beat the USA in 2020
with this Squad:

Exum
Mcdowell~white
Simmons
Thon maker
Humphries

Mills
Deng Adel
Jonah Bolden
Daniel Mading
matur maker
deng gak
Makur maker


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ME
Last year
00:18 25 Jul 16

Reply #592155

re: Spoilt for Riches

Broekhoff is a great rebounder at his position. As for who can play the four, what about Motum and Anderson?


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Anonymous
Last year
00:24 25 Jul 16

Reply #592156

re: Spoilt for Riches

A line up with Delly/Lisch Mills, Ingles, Broekhoff, Bogut/Baynes as the main seven and a touch of Bairstow and Goulding with the rest relegated to the bench would get absolutely slaughtered by the US

Couple of NBA bench players, some NBL players and bogut vs a selection of 12 of the best 24 star players in the NBA. We might have a chance to score a basket, not to win


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ME
Last year
00:30 25 Jul 16

Reply #592157

re: Spoilt for Riches

Okay, we get it. You've looked at the names on the team and have already assumed a loss. Of course, Greece and Argentina could have done the same in the wins they've had to them. Fact is no one is meant to beat the USA on paper.

I am not even saying I think we can win. I am just talking about potential line ups and strategies to give ourselves some hope of doing so. My belief is that we will lose the USA game but still be in the mix for a medal, and I am basing that off having seen recent games played by France, Spain, Serbia and Argentina. France and Serbia games were serious qualification games.


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Anonymous
Last year
06:55 25 Jul 16

Reply #592159

re: Spoilt for Riches

Broekhoff a great rebounder? Are you sure you're looking at the same player?

Anderson and Motum are not 4 men, they can play it offensively to a limited extent, but neither of them can guard on the perimeter at all, and neither are good athletes to compensate for the lack of defense.

I'm not even talking about beating the U.S, look at the glut of long lengthy wings and stretch/small ball 4s playing for the other squads and there you'll see the problem.

As I said, the team is built perfectly for the basketball of the 1980/1990s.
But the game has changed in 2016, you need floor spacing, you need athleticism and length and you need versatility on both ends.


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Anonymous
Last year
09:36 25 Jul 16

Reply #592160

re: Spoilt for Riches

Won't finish top 6. Stop kidding yourself


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ME
Last year
09:47 25 Jul 16

Reply #592161

re: Spoilt for Riches

Well we will get the first good look at them against decent competition tomorrow vs. Lithuania. The game is at 6.30am but I am sure it will stay up on the link afterwards.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0hitU-8O4w


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XY
Last year
11:26 25 Jul 16

Reply #592165

re: Spoilt for Riches

Of the 12 teams at the competition, the Boomers are ranked the 8th best team (barely tipping out Croatia). We are not coming off of a very high base here, and for good reason.

There is understandably a lot of optimism about our team and fortunes, but arguments for a sense of realism about our prospects. It is difficult to point to any of those other teams ranked above us (or Croatia) and say we absolutely should beat them (or vice versa). Can we beat them, yes. But the whole tournament is fraught and we have to be on our best every game. Being in the USA's group is a slight advantage for a change on the cross-over but as 2014 showed you still have to beat your opponent.

We could easily end up anywhere from second to eighth, but a medal would be an over-achieve and a quarter final cross-over loss a disappointment and probable under-achieve.

Yes, the US could probably put three teams together and have a realistic chance of sweeping all the medals. But history shows that they are not infallible, and this might be one of those years given most of their first-choice players are missing. But they are still rightly odds-on favourites for the gold.


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Anonymous
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11:28 25 Jul 16

Reply #592166

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"The USA was beaten by Greece, who didn't have a single NBA player at the time."

That was ten years ago. They haven't lost a single game since.


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hoopie
Last year
13:14 25 Jul 16

Reply #592181

re: Spoilt for Riches

I'm with XY.

At least this time the media haven't been exaggerating our medal chances - they've left it to the Boomers themselves to talk medals.


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eyeshutopen
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14:11 25 Jul 16

Reply #592183

re: Spoilt for Riches

Broekhoff is a great rebounder. Can confirm.


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ME
Last year
16:15 25 Jul 16

Reply #592192

re: Spoilt for Riches

I am also with XY. We are in a log jam with 6 of the top 8 teams who can beat eachother on any given night.

And yes, Broekhoff is a great rebounder. He could be serviceable in the 4 spot at times.


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Anonymous
Last year
16:25 25 Jul 16

Reply #592193

re: Spoilt for Riches

So this great rebounder played 31 Euroleague games last season for 25 mins per game accumulating a total of 104 rebounds at 3.3 rpg.... Yes, Broekhoff is a great rebounder.


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Anonymous
Last year
17:14 25 Jul 16

Reply #592197

re: Spoilt for Riches

This boomer team have no athleticism.
Would be lucky to finish in top 6


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Anonymous
Last year
17:20 25 Jul 16

Reply #592199

re: Spoilt for Riches

You're forgetting this is the same website that thinks delly is a superstar because he kept the MVP to a measly 26 points a game and doesn't manage to turn it over a lot...


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ME
Last year
17:32 25 Jul 16

Reply #592200

re: Spoilt for Riches

He has a different role in his Euroleague team but he has always been a good rebounder for the Boomers. Plus Euroleague games have fewer shots and are lower scoring.

Seems you just want to hate for the sake of it. Oh well, we will see what happens in 2 weeks time.


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Anonymous
Last year
17:51 25 Jul 16

Reply #592202

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Oh so now he has a different role in Euroleague so his ability to rebound just vanishes? I'm not a hater, I just don't like fan boy posts. You say we are in a log jam for positions 2 to 6. If Bogut get's up he will be so under done after no game time since his injury. Every other player is a bit player at best in the NBA. We are very skinny in the 4 spot with as discussed above no ability to defend the perimeter or have any ounce of foot speed.

Other countries have NBA superstars and Euroleague Superstars and you think we are going to trouble the USA. We need to worry about game 1 first, then game 2 etc etc.

Historically our problem is we start nervous and slow and our tournament is over realistically after the first 2 rounds. Can we compete...YES. But my concern is who is going to put the ball in the hole and then conversely who is going to defender guys like Batum etc.

It's true we have the most players in the NBA we have ever had, but that in itself doesn't guarantee us anything.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:04 25 Jul 16

Reply #592221

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A good rebounder for the boomers with career averages of 3.2 in International play and 2.5 in the 2014 World Cup in 20 mins per game.

Broekhoff is a decent player don't get me wrong, but he is in no stretch a small ball 4, a 2/3 at most. So don't hype him up as a rebounder when that's not him.


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eyeshutopen
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21:07 25 Jul 16

Reply #592222

re: Spoilt for Riches

#592221

You should watch Broekhoff play sometime.


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Keany
Last year
21:31 25 Jul 16

Reply #592223

re: Spoilt for Riches

What will team USA death line up be???
Draymond
Melo
KD
Klay
Kyrie

Or George in for melo


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Anonymous
Last year
22:48 25 Jul 16

Reply #592227

re: Spoilt for Riches

Its called live basket. You should try it eyeshutopen


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Luuuc
Last year
22:54 25 Jul 16

Reply #592229

re: Spoilt for Riches

I agree that Broekhoff is a good rebounder. For his size & position.

But put him at the 4 against guys that are bigger than him and whose focus is to block out & get boards (as opposed to the wing players he can get boards against) and it's a different ballgame entirely. Bad idea IMO.


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ME
Last year
04:58 26 Jul 16

Reply #592232

re: Spoilt for Riches

I am not saying we have much of a chance of beating the USA, but I am talking about tactics to give ourselves the best shot. Certainly their 49 point mutilation of China doesn't fill me with much hope. We will be competitive in all other games, and I agree, the Olympics for the Boomers will largely be decided in the first two games.


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