Still want to know why it was suddenly decided to ban div 3 teams after years and years of them being allowed, thought it was about getting junior basketballers involved ?

St Clair, Eltham, Easter Classic, Nunawading, Millicent, Bearcats Carnival etc... there is no shortage of tournaments for junior basketballers to be involved, all of which will provide adequete challenges for division 3+ teams.

If you're actually wondering why BSA have limited the number of teams (for which I expect there is a reasonable explanation re: court/referee availability and scheduling) and not just keen to have a public whinge over trivial issues, then contact them or ask your club.


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isn't there more courts available now ?

2016 -
Mars - 3
Hillcrest - 2
Starplex - 3 or 4
Port - 3
St Clair - 2
Wayville - 3
Adel Hills - 2
Marion - 2
Morphett Vale - 4
Pasadena - 3
Dome - 3

2017 -
all the above + 2 ARC

It was decided and recommended by the JDO's that unless the club already had a 3rd team in Div 2 no extra teams were going to be accepted. It's a waste of everyones time when clubs put in teams just for the "experience" If you cant make the top 4 why should you get an extra game. Nothing has changed and all the lower play off games are a waste of time and energy for everyone.

In other states they have an u12 weekend and then an u14 weekend etc

Interested to see how the changes will affect the results, probably not at all.

I understand the frustration of Div 3 teams not being given a chance. There a multiple Div 3 teams that would be mid table teams in Div 2, and I feel the players and probably more so the parent's frustration.

It could be argued that Div 2 shouldn't be involved, with the exception that the stronger clubs or the clubs able to focus on development tend to load those teams with first-year players (hence these team sometimes appearing to be weaker than Div 3 sides, particularly in summer season), so it's reasonable for them to be included on this basis.

For my opinion, for what its worth, the issue is with the timing of the championship (not on a long weekend) meaning the schedule is compressed and that some very weak teams qualify, effectively giving some sides a bye in the draw.

Options of moving the championship to a long weekend aren't universally popular for multiple reasons, and lower teams (bottom 2) pre-qualifying against Div 3 teams are equally unpopular.

With the advent of women's AFL and the already significant inroads this is having on the selection pool for youth teams as one example (AFL has final state selections on state champs grand final day!), now more than ever, parents should be prepared to change clubs if there are greater opportunities elsewhere. It staggers me how many parents aren't prepared to attend another club's training to at least have a look and appraise the coach etc.

I'd also second the tournament options. They are numerous, and Nunawading is a good tournament to go to for Div 3 teams due to timing.

Talk with your feet parents. If your child is good enough, they may walk into another teams Div 2 starting lineup and help your child's development in addition to the strength and evenness of the overall competition.

you talk about changing clubs - well it has been a disaster for one at our club and odds on they will be out the sport in 6-12 months. The player hated it - taken away from friends and new club culture and worse of all the new group was very intolerant.

also what about a seeding elimination system ?
i.e. the higher seeds start second / third round etc whilst the lower seeds play each other first and knock each other out.

Okay anons, I'll bite:

Strong division 3 teams SHOULD be playing division 2, and arguably they SHOULD be allowed to participate in State Champs.

Their current club has likely done a good job in developing their players, and clubs with consistently poor division 1/2 teams clearly aren't. Moving to these clubs succeeds in evening out the competition, at the expense of addressing the fundamental issues.

The universal answer should be putting the onus on clubs to continually improve their governance, and results by extension.

The problem with this solution is that the clubs are made up of voluneers, many of whom either act in their own self-interest at the expense of the community or have good intentions but are incapable of making sound operational decisions.

Given that SA has 10 member clubs, the gradual collapse of a few clubs (which is always a real possibility) would be devastating for the basketball community. Therefore BSA has elected to prop up the poorly run clubs by attempting to increase the flow of talent to these clubs.

While I think BSA should be more audacious and make decisions on a case-by-case basis rather than blindly following policy, the sad reality is that BSA has taken a fairly pragmatic approach to the situation.

Moreover, this is the way it is. Complaining accomplishes nothing. Move on.

West U16 D2 boys are the perfect example of who shouldn't be in D2 and are wasting a spot at state champs. Over the first 5 games they have lost by an average of 67. Last game losing 96-2. Their closest game was a 34 point loss to the second to bottom team.

They would be lucky to be a mid level team in D3. The D3 North team would beat them by about 50.

Why West is allowing these boys to get smashed each week instead of dropping them to D3 where they would be competitive and win a couple I don't know why.

Is there some sort of sanction for not having a team in D2? If there isn't they should be dropped to D3 straight away. All the boys in that team deserve to be in a league they can be competitive in, instead of being humiliated every week.

Who are the favourites to qualify for 14s Nationals do we think? Sturt & Norths in the boys

North's under 14's boys are riddled with injuries, so unfortunately they wont do as well as they should.

Norwood 14s boys and Sturt for the final.

^Toss up between Southern, Forestville and perhaps Centrals.

Forestville v Sturt for 14s girls. Fville have their star back, it was a tight game for the two a few rounds ago.

Sturt will take it out, they are a good unit and just getting better.

Top 3 qualify for both? even with injuries North should still be too strong for the rest and finish at worst third

251, Sturt were missing arguably their best player for that game.

At full strength they are clearly the best SA team.

Well read: I did say they'd win.
Yes, I agree they are the best team. However, Fville has been without their best player too. Shes the best player in under 14s, however- she's not as interested in bball as the Sturt girls. She'll play netball in the future and make a career of it.

I know you did, I was just providing context to the scoreline of their last encounter: Forestville had their full team whereas Sturt were missing their best player (IMO), so the 2pt margin may be a little flattering.

It's a shame because if Forestville hadn't lost two key players from their U12 div 1 team then it might have been 50-50 contest.

IMO -

state -

12G - Fville
14G - Sturt
16G - Fville
18G - Fville

reserves -

12G - Fville
14G - North
16G - Sturt
18G - Fville

all will be close -

probably the only certainties would be

Fville 18G state
Fville 12G reserves
Sturt 16G reserves

One moved states, however being a talent at under 12 level doesnt mean much come under 14's.

the 14's girls teams are all pretty even IMO, even the teams losing by 15 each week have kept the top of the table to 2 points until the 4th, lots of first years in the bottom 2-3 teams.

Sturt v Fville in the final, unless an upset occurs by Southern or (possibly) Norwood when they actually run a play.

i think ! is on the money.

it'll be the annual Forestville sweep of the girls in state.

u14G state pool B - is anyone's guess - what an even pool

The entire under 14 girls comp is fairly even. The bottom teams are still doing ok now Woodville relegated (they were DIV 3 standard at best). Poor old North with their baby guards is left at the bottom, but when we've played them they show promise and have the best centre in 14's IMO, she just isnt fed the ball well yet.

South is hit and miss, but have had some good wins.

Mavs have some great players and strength and Bearcats have improved a lot.

The stand outs will be Forestville and Sturt but i think Southern and Norwood will nip at their heels and Centrals have a few new country recruits i think...

You can't name juniors, sorry.

State champs and there are still games with no results against them from last night, geez.

Few thumpings up there, all expected.

A highlight was Forestville state 12 girls demolishing Centrals, played a hard press the entire game much to many supporters horror. It's state champs people, not school ball - get over it.

Rockets boys teams with some 100+ plus thumpings too in 14's and 16's.

As predicted the state 14's girls comp is even, Sturt girls with only a 14 point win over Mavs when people expected a demolishing.

I'm not writing them off, they are a brilliant team, very talented. I am making the point the 14 girls state comp is really even, from the best down to the bottom teams, there isn't huge gaps in skill.

These 14 girls placed extremely well at Southern Cross Challenge, finished 3rd and 4th.

They took it to the VICS, beating two of the VIC METRO teams and also VIC COUNTRY.

The Sturt outfit will be very competitite vs any team you place in front of them.

The high performance programs, camps and tournaments are doing good things for the 14's now IMO

A number of players were unavailable for Southern Cross too e.g. North's center.

This year's U14G don't have as much depth as last year's, but have considerably better top-end talent.

^^ agreed, North's centre did miss Southern Cross, she is very good, knows her position well for a 12/13 year old.

She will make a big difference to SA team next year.

The top 20 of the 14's girls are very good, some speedy guards and strength in the mids and talls i dont know i agree with the lack of depth, just a different group.

They have two centres and i am not about to name an 11/12 year old.

^That's not who I was referring to at least, but I also won't be naming anyone.

Blowouts across the board so far in U14G - maybe not such an even comp...

Kids are often misunderstood, yep. Huge talent in multiple teams. Potential to shine and will when exposed to NITP program and even playing field away from their clubs.

There's been some blowouts, yes. But there's also been surprising wins and also closer games than expected.

Is that 36-0. Scoreline correct in u16 g state ? What went on there ?

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Top 3 to Nationals. Top 4 to Classics.

It was top 4 for boys a few years ago because Sturt won it the previous year.

I think Sturt might take it out.

Agreed. Totally crap. Felt like a couple of regular games close together.

Zero atmosphere.

well there would be around 10-12 Div 3 teams disappointed that they were disallowed from entering.
Less people involved - This is what was wanted.

would not make any call on 14 club champs til after classics. Until everyone has seen all the teams play - saying a certain team is going to win is just uninformed. Even after classics teams have 6 months to sharpen their game up. SA teams ok but a long way from "winning it".

I understand what you're saying..^^ we do all our work with our girl away from the club.emotional conditioning, growing the love of the creative game.. all away from the restrictions of the club..

It's about all you can do now to keep the flame lit.

why have div 3-4-5-6 ?

They are not invited to state champs anymore, club cancels trainings because of state champs yet they are banned from playing - so basically sent away. No compensation trainings, club puts their hand out for same fees, club fills their media with div 1/2 team info. Squad head coaches only interested in Div 1 and politics. Draws for div 1 and 2 are articulately done and balanced / located.New players off the street can walk into some clubs div 1-2 teams and be called "elite" yet regular Div 3-4-5-6 players / teams etc get cut out further.

looks like some trophies are going to new clubrooms

from what i have worked out -

state girls Fville

reserve girls Fville

state boys Centrals

reserve boys North

unsure on overall - ? Fville

"*Correction Apology - Basketball SA would like to apologise for incorrectly announcing at the presentations that the Sturt Sabres Basketball Club were joint winners of the State Champion Boys and State Champion Club awards. We apologise for the technical error and the disappointment this may have caused."

sturt would be runners up to those 7 of 8 too.

Sturt were runners up in more than I can remember - zero titles across the board though, which is highly unusual.

Sturt will be just fine, they were everywhere in GF's but some fell short.

Forestville have proven once again their girls program is simply the best in the state.

Watch them play and you will see they have one maybe two really talented players in both the 12's and 14's the rest just play to the system and it is a good one.

BSA website records go back to 2001.

2017 is the first year Sturt have not won any trophy (reserve or state, overall).

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