Someone said Frankston in the Frankston thread yesterday.

Knox dropped out of seabl because they are broke

SEABL is a massive financial drain on clubs

Is SEABL worth it? It appears it isn't.

Is SEABL worth it?

It is if your winning and competitive
It's also worth it if you can afford it
Perhaps those struggling financially should forgo their imports

Don't discount Melbourne...

Most of the imports aren't that good either.

I guess you haven't seen a seabl game this season.

Far from it. The gap between the teams other than a few is so tight this season. Upsets every weekend in fact. Seabl players going and about to go to the NBL as well makes for one of the most exciting seasons in a long time.

^ and there in lies the issue, the difference between the top teams and the rest is huge,teams are either flogging those in the bottom 6 or having narrow wins in the top 2

If the competition as a whole had more teams up to the same level it could and would be a very good competition,but too many teams get caught up in wanting the elite level but wont/cant find decent players

Two teams in each conference have not been that competitive, Coe, Candberra, Melbourne and Frankston, all other teams can beat anyone. Mount gambier look a class above but the rest is pretty even.

you do realize their are also women playing SEABL dont you^ and the original post was about both SCM & SCW,dont think its the same in that comp, in fact its only in the mens South comp that it looks to be an even comp, the mens EAST have a clear division between top two, then next three.

CoE are hardly ever competitive. Tigers are a basketcase and don't tell franga they are no good. having just beaten the Spectres. Equally Sandy got a recent scalp too.
I believe next season CoE will play a full season (about time)

"you do realize their are also women playing SEABL dont you^"

So? Maybe he just follows the men's?

Just the men. In the East conference the bottom 2 teams are clearly out of it. In the South conference take away the bottom 2 teams and the next team above them has the same number of wins in the East. That's how close it is. A few slip up from those further up the top could see them slip out of the 4 very easily.

You would think they would change the rules to reduce imports/outside players. Have a rule about certain amount of players having to come from your junior program? I sense SEABL keeps going further and further away from what it should be for. They think of themselves as a mini NBL rather than the pinnacle of junior pathway. Sucks.

^agree , something should be done to ensure your local players actually have a pathway not just a token one or two thrown in. SEABL should not have Impoetscat all really , clubs should be working on developing their juniors so the can be at that level , they don't develop sitting on the bench
And the NBL and WNBL players that come down to SEABL should be those that are sitting on the bench playing very few of any minutes in games not the starting five players who are already "developed" and getting game time

SEABL should be the development league for the next wave of Australian WNBL and NBL players not MBA and WNBA players ..... the imports that come for SEABL are inferior to most of what sits on the dam
Bench in many cases , give the local players the opportunity to strengthen their skills, in the long run it benefits our leagues

known that may be true for regional areas which don't have pro team so SEABL fills the gap, but for all the metro Melbourne teams it should be more about junior pathways. Perfect world SEABL would exist just in regional areas, with Melb metro teams going back to Big V and focus on juniors. imo

Franga has a spare $1mill? Seriously?

Leave SEABL > ? > million$$$

What eva that is meant to say

Only reason Frankston would stay in SEABL is to please a small number of. Wet brittle egos

*meant to read "small number of very brittle egos"

So you are saying it was poor administration that forced Frankston out of YL?

Will they haveYL next year? If you were playing u/18s surely you would be looking to leave and go to a club with YL

Poor admin/turning their noses up at bigv. Thought it was below them to have game essentials. Game PA announcers, programs, floor sweepers. Big v rightly so fines associations for not providing these.
Fines weren't paid, following season both teams' games were classed as 20-0 results. Both obviously finished bottom. So if they were to come back, they would be relegated to yl1.

Chargers drop 2 on the road. Lose the to Tigers. Not good.

Bendigo struggling as well, very tight competition with mount gambier being the favourites. Sides that are getting a more even contributions going better than the one or two player big stat guys.

Yes some have suggested that the bottom sides aren't up to it. How wrong.

Coming from a number of sources, Frankston will have SCM/W and YL teams in Big V next year.

Anybody know the cost difference of the two comps , why is BigV more financially affordable than SEABL , they use similar stadiums , same score brnch and ref numbers , crt announcers etc AND it seems BigV teams in Sc pay bigger than SEABL for players
Yet the standard is well below that of SEABL

Who do you think pays for all the flights? Travel is equalised across all teams. For a 2 team club (Men's and Women's) there is probably $50k difference (approx) between Big V and SEABL. Must SEABL programs would have a budget in the area of $500k

Would love to see someone suggest how a $500K budget might be broken down. That's a really, really big number.

Flights+accommodation do add up, but how much in total who knows.

Smart move by Frankston. Good to see them thinking about what's best for the club long term rather than short term "status" to make a small number of people feel good.

Also great for them to have a YL program again as they are the only club in Victoria that have a senior team but nothing between juniors and their senior program

$500k for 2 seabl teams is way over the top.
More in the $300k+ area I would have thought. Most teams drive to games seeing as the majority of teams are in Melboune, geelong Bendigo and ballarat and albury.

Fly Mt Gambier, Canberra and Tasmania. You have to pay your coach, your imports, stud Australians, admin staff etc etc Also remember the flight costs are equalised so those same teams above fly every 2nd week, then add in hire cars or mini buses etc and it all adds up.

So Pioneers, Canberra (men and women), AIS, Launceston, Hobart (men and women), NWT and Sydney all fly every 2nd week roughly. Thats a lot of coin.

Also Qantas/Virgin price gouge domestic regional routes like crazy as highlighted in the media recently. It all adds up.

Sydney?
Everyone else pays for imports. Coaches get sfa. Admin staff? Since when. If there are admin staff they are part of the whole organisation, not seabl specific.
MtG don't have a womens team nor does Launceston.
and NWT.
Suggesting $500,000 is insane.
AFAIK seabl teams are now flying shitstar. Hire cars are generally cheap.
Imports pays are governed by the Oz government and they really don't earn a lot compared to any NBL player. Minimums infact.

Travel costs are equalised across the league - every team pays the same base. Teams can then pay for extra fights and accommodation if they want to take more than 10 people. At most that would be an extra $1500 per team per trip if you take 3 extras.

As an example of player costs, NW Tassie had their annual report on their website last year (would link it, but I can't find it on their new website) and they reported that something like $70K was paid to their men's team. I know directly of two 'successful' Melbourne clubs that operate at around the same number for their men's teams. The other four would not want to be much different given their current rosters and ladder positions.

$500K is a number thrown around far too loosely.

Most imports come out on minimum, which is something like $2K a month for 6 months (plus accommodation and transport)

Anon #639541 with the $500K remark was really just making it up. But good that this created a discussion with the above comment from someone who actually does know the reality. Thanks.

A decent import will get $500-$600 pw. Plus car and accom as mentioned above.

So $70K not $500K (lol). Makes sense.

Few WNBL teams operate on a budget of 500k most are well below that
So no way any SEABL team would be having a budget of 500k

^ Wow thanks for letting us know. Talk about coming late to the party. We've moved on from the $500K BS figure.

^ Wow thanks for letting us know. Talk about coming late to the party. We've moved on from the $500K BS figure.

^^ This was to the anon two posts above not ex coach. Good analysis ex coach.

So $200K was men and women, halve that so $100K? Say men's team was $120K women's $80K. So it's close to the $70K just for men mentioned above. So $70-$120K seems like an indicative range for SEABL.

$200K is way to low. About $300K would be a quality franchise. Certainly some teams spend a lot more. Esp in the Men's area.
Some teams will be spending less and the results would show that.

To the idiot #641. Launceston only have a women's team, Sydney only have a women's team and no one said MTG had a women's team.

In addition a 2 team club has entry costs of $60k before paying anyone.

So in summary: no one really knows.

The answers are there. About $300K for 2 competitive sides.

Spending $800k is ridiculous. Not even Bendigo spends that much ;)

Frankston beat the Braves on OT last night. Must be about season over for Harvs, so up and down this year.

Other than mount gambier never seen so many strange results, very tight indeed. Dandenong out of the south side for me.

Spectres lose. Thunder lose. Interesting weekend.

Franga have $1mill already. So chump change for them.

So what will they drop to from SEABL?

Yeah i think it is a given that they will end up needing to drop to SCM/W at some point if not next season it will be sometime soon.

The sooner they realize it is actually not that bad and do it the better.