Anonymous
Years ago

An objective take at last night's scuffle in Perth

Teys excessively pushes DKD with around 19 seconds left in the game. This could be interpreted as "not in the spirit of the game".

If you played social league bball and a guy came at you like Teys did you would be annoyed.

Cummings was being yeld at by Gleeson as he brought the ball up to "push it". As a DP with defence being played on him, he attacked the rim.

Citing "unwritten bball laws" Teys has a point to be annoyed at this. However, his reaction as a senior player and captain to viciously foul Cummings is reckless and dangerous.

DKD's reaction to then push Teys is something you would any team mate to do. It was a hard push to a sideways facing Teys who went flying.

DKD should be reprimanded for instigating a melee.

Larkins and Drimic are the "third men in" and did not attempt to calm the situation. Instead they threw forearms to the back of DKD.

Shorter leaves the bench and gets involved in the scuffle.

Matt Neilson and Gleeson leave cats bench to stop scuffle. Lucas Walker accompanies them, but then turns around when he realises he shouldn't have left the bench.

Meanwhile Larkins has Stiendl pinned down for no reason who is on top of Sobey (i think) who is on top of Shorter's towel.

Result

DKD reported - instigating melee
Teys reported - Rough, reckless, endangering play
Drimic reported - instigating melee, throwing "punch"
Larkins reported - instigating melee, throwing "punch"
Shorter and Walker - not sure there's a punishment for leaving the bench. Walker did not get involved and walked away when he realised he shouldn't be there. Shorter got amongst things.

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snooch  
Years ago

Hahaha yeah objective like Donald Trump

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Whatever Teys may have done with 19 seconds left is irrelevant. The incident was sparked by his dirty play on Cummings, and DKD (over)reacted like any other player would.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Agree 99% - except Walker & SS should both get punished...you can't come off the bench - it's hard enough to deal with the 10 on court.

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KET  
Years ago

I think OP isn't aware what the definition of "objective" is.

An USF shouldn’t start a melee. An USF is an USF, call it and then the player DKD sticking up for his team gets a tech himself and the rest dealt with with reprimands post-game.

Not hard to solve

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Anonymous  
Years ago

You need to take into account the stage of the game and who Teys targeted. It wasn't an ordinary USF. It was completely unwarranted and dirty, and was bound to provoke a reaction.

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Mock  
Years ago

Not a bad summary. Teys is the low dog who started the whole thing and probably did so because of frustration at his own s*** game and USELESS career.

DKD overreacted but he is a passionate bloke who was sticking up for his teammate and was disgusted by Teys lack of class and sportsmanship.



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Anonymous  
Years ago

A heap of Perth fans "objective" take.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Walker should also be punished for the throw on Larkins

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KET  
Years ago

You're being emotional - the unwarranted nature and time of the game is what makes it unsportsmanlike.

The fact it’s a DP is irrelevant. Welcome to the league fella.

USF was given, fair call; I don’t know what occurred post that foul wise but if DKD got away with the push without a tech then count yourselves having won the situation.

I think a lot of the leagues fans will take Perth preciousness with a grain of salt given the NBLs ability to let Perth get away with sneaky elbowing grabbing and unsportsmanlike behaviour which has become club culture as an apparent "defence".

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Larkins is also a DP and walkers throw was just as bad if not worse than Teys foul

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Zodiac  
Years ago

Gotta love Perth fans. Walker started the whole thing with his gutless dirty play on a little DP so when Teys decided to get back at their DP he's the instigator. Walker and Teys should've been ejected and DKD should expect a suspension. It's a shame Walker has fully bought into Perth's dirty bully boy ways but so be it.

Yet another example of the refs being intimidated by the big Perth crowds and letting things get out of hand.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"Welcome to the league fella"

If you want to pretend Teys was “welcoming” Cummings, go for it. The fact he is a DP won't factor into any punishment but combined with the other facts of the situation (score line, timing etc) you end up with a player deciding to take out the easiest target on the court when the game was well and truly over. The entire incident was on Teys.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"Walker started the whole thing"

Are you serious? Whatever Walker did, its ridiculous to suggest Teys was responding to that by taking out another player. If Teys had such a problem, why didnt he go after Walker?

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Luuuc  
Years ago

Teys targeting a DP who had done nothing wrong all game (since he hadn't even been a part of it) like that says a bit about his mindset and character, but it should have no influence on his penalty.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Teys is a loser in every sense of the word. I am going to make my feelings about this dud known to the Adelaide club.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Walker acted like a flog too

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Luuuc  
Years ago

Walker was acting like a flog all night.

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Train  
Years ago

Steindl has a massive red mark around his neck after the game. Did anyone see what Clint did? Shorter was going mental at him.

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Brunson  
Years ago

Walker is always a flog.

"Citing "unwritten bball laws" Teys has a point to be annoyed at this."

Ummm no that "unwritten law" is outdated. Percentage counts. If Perth miss out on home court due to 2 points do you think they will be saying "That's fine we missed out on home court because we did the right thing". Teys did the wrong thing, simple as that.

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KET  
Years ago

Anonymous, if you're not a fan of bully behaviour than Perth wouldn’t be the club to go for

Teys committed an USF and nothing more, he got called for it.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Committed an USF in the dying seconds of a blowout, against the youngest player on the court. Yep, punishment is still an USF but it says a lot about Teys as a person and leader.

But sure, pretend this is about Perth's physical style of play if you want.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I just read the comments on the Sixers FB page. A bunch of rabid morons saying Teys didnt hit him hard enough, or Teys was justified, or that Perth is "always dirty" so this was somehow their fault.

Sixers fans, huh?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Gotta love Adelaide fans.

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Luuuc  
Years ago

A number of reports have been made following last night's game between the Perth Wildcats and Adelaide 36ers at Perth Arena.
Adelaide's Brendan Teys and Perth's Dexter Kernich-Drew were both reported for unduly rough play arising from an incident in the fourth quarter.
Adelaide's Shannon Shorter and Perth's Lucas Walker were reported for leaving their benches during the same incident in the fourth quarter.
Majok Deng, Nelson Larkins, Anthony Drmic, Mitch Creek and Shannon Shorter (Adelaide) and Dexter Kernich-Drew, Clint Steindl and Jarrod Kenny (Perth) were all reported for engaging in a melee.

The reports will be now reviewed by the NBL Game Review Panel and any charges will be announced by 6pm Sunday. All players will be available for tomorrow's game at Titanium Security Arena.


From NBL.com.au

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So where is the unduly rough play charge for Walker? According to Zodiac, he started the whole thing.

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Udog  
Years ago

That Walker headlock sling was just a nice cuddle for the little bloke right? Nothing wrong with it? One eyed support for both sides obviously blurring peoples judgement

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Udog  
Years ago

The ref was standing right next to them too.

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Udog  
Years ago

Whole bunch of cock waving in that stadium last night and nothing more.

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Luuuc  
Years ago

^ yep, pretty much.

Which is fine btw. I don't think anyone wants actual fights to be occurring.

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KET  
Years ago

"But sure, pretend this is about Perth's physical style of play if you want."

Nobody said that.

Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man


People are simply saying - it was an USF and it got called for an USF. What's done is done.

What else is there to complain about? Teys was a bully? Teys was dirty?

We would be more sympathetic if Perth weren't the quintessential example of bully boy behaviour & dirty tactics. If you're so aghast by the proposition of bully or dirty behaviour, then don't support one who's reputation is stamped by it.

A lot of the more reasonable people would look at floggish behaviour a bit more objectively and see it from both sides.

I've been known to call out Drmic for bad and provocative behaviour, Shorter for having a short fuse and the likes of Ferguson last year who got provoked, sucked in and lashed out displaying amateur hour.

Last night Perth certainly weren't innocent victims.

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Manu Fieldel  
Years ago

People would clearly rather quarrel than discuss the whys and the hows. It's easier to do I guess

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Manu Fieldel  
Years ago

Good example of what KET is talking about:

https://youtu.be/aMcjxSThD54

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Gotta love these flog Adelaide supporters who think their team is full of angels.

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Btown  
Years ago

The why is easy, poor officiating. That was boiling over the entire second half.


Is there any footage of this Walker incident, I haven't seen it yet, was it in the scuffle of earlier in the game
Also what was Brandt’s USF for earlier in the game?

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Btown  
Years ago

"Last night Perth certainly weren't innocent victims.". Not sure if anyone is saying that and if they are they're wrong.
Innocent victim was the rookie, fortunately wasn’t hurt and looked pretty happy he made the shot.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

'We would be more sympathetic if Perth weren't the quintessential example of bully boy behaviour & dirty tactics. If you're so aghast by the proposition of bully or dirty behaviour, then don't support one who's reputation is stamped by it.'

Maybe you could find a Wikipedia entry for hyperbole.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Brandts USF was for pushing Creek away from their huddle.

I was at the game Teyes pushed DKD in the back in the backcourt the play before.

DKD should get punished for reacting but Teyes pushing a player with his back turned and then no play on the ball USF when you're down by 20 ...it's on him for 2 dog acts

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I should add Walker deserved an USF for the incident before this...Brandt was hard done by.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

As Homicide said, "Adelaide just continue to come and come and come down your throat"

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Gotta say I'd have done the exact same thing DKD did. Gotta stand up for your teammates. Ideally he shouldn't have reacted that way but it's easy to say that in the cold light of day.Teys having a sook pushes DKD out of court, then proceeds to shoulder charge a Development Player on the last play. Nice class shown by the captain, says a lot about the team. And don't give me that bs about running out the clock to respect the other team. It's not 1990, it's a tight small league and every point counts. DirtySixers can't seem to accept that (see 2013/14 melee). Refs should be on the hook for completely losing control of the game. No doubt they will be admonished for not stopping the play when Teys and DKD were getting heated up the other end despite the lack of time left. If they had've stopped the play and double tech'd, there would have been no brawl.

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koberulz  
Years ago

Walker and Teys should've been ejected
They were.

I don't know what occurred post that foul wise but if DKD got away with the push without a tech then count yourselves having won the situation.
DKD was ejected.

For mine, Chris Reid is the one responsible for this. Should have T'd up Teys and DKD when they were going at each other the play before, instead of wrestling them apart while paying no attention whatsoever to the game going on down the other end.

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Udog  
Years ago

Yep. Refs no idea as usual.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"As Homicide said, "Adelaide just continue to come and come and come down your throat""

36ers prematurely ejaculated in the first half.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If they call a double technical with 19 sec to go there is no melee. Control not management.

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Fruitbat  
Years ago

Yes what Teys done was unsportsmanlike and dkd reaction was over the top.
The real issue was that both sides were frustrated with some pretty awful referring.
They got so many calls wrong it was mind numbing. Both sides and the crowd were confused..
For example sobey for his arms chopped under the basket when they were below his waist and the refs put him to the line saying he's shooting. He had only just grabbed the ball. There were also several fouls called when there was no contact at all.
Bad reffing creates frustration on the court and then it doesn’t take much for things to boil over.
Refs need to take some responsibility.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Boilovers create ratings so maybe the NBL will start rostering even worse refs

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NannasAlwaysRight  
Years ago

In all the years of Shaun Redhage the dog, karma is a bitch especially when its on a kid who really wasn't even part of the play (referring to before), but took the hit and made the play.

What I have noticed lately is lots of flapping of the mouth from every player. FFS, just play.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Haha Perth fans are classic. "Our poor little DP" - the DP put himself in that situation by making a play in the dying seconds when up 20. Get him out the game. Have no problem with what Teys did - hard foul, sure. Unsportmanlike, sure.

But all these people calling Teys names is just laughable and shows you don't know basketball.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

People are calling him names because he is so irrelevant that they don't know who he is

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koberulz  
Years ago

Areyyou saying DPs shouldn't be on the court unless it's a close game?

Percentage matters. Nothing wrong with playing to the buzzer, every team does.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Teys is like the zac dawson of the nbl. If joey wright wasn't coaching teys wouldn't have a job just like zac dawson and ross lyon

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Laker824  
Years ago

I personally think Walker deserves a pat on the back, should've done more. It is embarassing seeing Larkins get court time he has no place in the NBL, he is garbage at Premier League. Have refused to go to a game since hes been on the roster, must be the ultimate coach's pet....

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Laker824, did you wake up and drink a full bottle of Hateraide before your post? Larkins has put in hours of hard work daily and is getting rewarded for that. To say he somehow deserves what Walker did simply because he is getting an opportunity that obviously you or a friend didn't, is lame.

Grow a set yourself and do something about it, don’t wish harm on someone because they are living their dream!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If his dad wasnt who he was, Larkins would be nowhere near an NBL squad

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LV  
Years ago

I hope Teys gets a game, DKD a heavy fine, and the rest get lighter fines.

That would be a fair result in my book.

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Laker824  
Years ago

#426 I'll give it to him that he does work hard. Not in anyway jealous of him being a DP, having a roster spot though would be a different story. My point is across the aprox 100 Aussie born players in the NBL he is out of place. Anyone with a basketball brain would know that.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

He also wears his 36ers shorts under his Centrals ones to remind everyone how after four seasons as a DP hes only developed to a player worth 30 seconds a game

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Anon 443, seriously, the jealousy and hate for him is unwarranted. He's a great kid that works hard. Blue collar guy.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

He's a five foot nothing scrub with a famous surname, of course he has to work hard for his 30 seconds a game after four years of development.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

#459 and you play for?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The old "you don't play 30 seconds of nbl so you can't criticise someone who wouldn't even be dressed if Doyle was healthy" argument

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Karen L  
Years ago

Nelsie has played 30 minutes of NBL in 14 games over 4 seasons thankyou very much, stop being so mean to him! Joey keeps saying any day now he's going to actually develop.

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