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Years ago

Have any states made a video on " no zone" ?

Recently re-read the zone buster by-law / info article and have been thinking this would be better explained in this day and age by a video rather than X and Os and paragraphs of info. Lately I have encountered several people making noises about zones gameday who have had little understanding of the "no zone" and then we had a ref that advised us that zones were allowable in U14s. Some excuse of "pack defence" with all 5 in the key and nobody going to the ball. If you go to a coaching or referee course often drills / rules are broken down with video to teach - well why not a video on "no zone" concepts?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Has to start with the refs, then the coaches. Video would make it easier.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

In SA refs don't enforce the zone rule so NO it does not have to start with refs.

SA did have a video relating to the rule which was distributed to supervisors and clubs, this was a few years ago now though.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Are you saying there is no zone rule in SA or just that the refs don't enforce it?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

the refs don't enforce it.

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=  
Years ago

just think a video of what is ok and what is not would be better for people to understand. The video could have key points for refs, coaches to monitor. Video would be a better learning tool.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

BA was sending one out to teams in advance of u14 Club Champs a few years ago, not sure if they're still doing this.

It's a really, really hard rule to enforce, though. It's rare to see good teams playing zone in a competition where it's banned, so a lot of the time it's a result of a kid who is lazy or lacks understanding.

It's worth keeping in mind that a team playing a banned defence is simply not going to develop good basketball players. They might win a game, or even a lot of games, but they are doing it by making offences play against something they are completely unprepared to tackle. There is no learning opportunity there for the zoning team, so they have a vastly overstated sense of their own ability, and eventually will be shown up for not having learned important skills that everyone else was figuring out while they were busy worrying about coming 3rd instead of 4th in u14 div 3.

I see a lot of parents, coaches and even players get very upset when they think the other team is in a zone, even when it really doesn't matter. The margin might be 30 or 40 points, they might be up or down, and they're still trying to drag court supervisors over to get a no zone rule enforced. Just play to the best of your abilities and don't waste your time. Pick up the pace and get the ball down the floor before a zone gets set - an u12/14 team expecting to run back and stand in the key will be rubbish in d-trans because they have no idea who is responsible for lane runners because that has nothing to do with the zone. Rebound the hell out of it because boxing out from a zone is hard. Play good defence and force turnovers to create advantage situations rather than letting them play half court 5v5. So many better solutions than worrying about the other team's zone.

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hoopie  
Years ago

I coach the Pack Line defense a lot, which is a hybrid along the lines of support m2m but not quite a zone - is Pack Line permitted under a 'no zone' rule?

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the oracle  
Years ago

yes pack line is ok but correct pack line (which I believe not too many know how to run). I am yet to see an U10 /12 / 14 team close out in true packline technique on the next pass. Just sag city. From those that have claimed to be pack - they don't move on the weakside players too much when their player adjusts.

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the oracle  
Years ago

with pack the help person covers the drive lane and may not adjust or pick up their player if an off the ball cutter moves as their job is to close the lane down.

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LC  
Years ago

BV "No Zone" 2018 Update Video: https://vimeo.com/240942823

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Pack is fine, the principles still assign responsibility for an individual offensive player to an individual defensive player. Defenders are ultimately responsible for a player more than a space on the court. My concern with teaching a pack line defence at a young age is that there is less onus on players to develop the ability to stay in front of the player they're guarding (because there are so many hedging defenders deterring a drive). But that's philosophical, and doesn't change that a pack-line is legal in any age group.

But the combination of pack-line and the trend towards switching screening action makes it even harder to identify the difference between man and zone. I think the no zone rule should remain in place for u12 and u14, but would never call on someone to enforce it because a) I would never be successful and b) the team playing zone is ultimately worse off than the team playing against it.

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very Old  
Years ago

The final winner of the national u/14 girls championship, prior to the introduction of the "no Zone" rule, played 1/4 court zone exclusively for every minute of every game in that championship.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So? Playing a zone in a competition in which it is legal is totally different to deliberately playing and coaching one in a competition in which it is banned. If the defence is legal, teams can reasonably be expected to have some idea of how to play against it.

Zone is extremely hard for u12 and u14 athletes to play against. It's not surprising that it was heavily utilised and with notable success, prior to being banned. The challenges for younger players in beating a zone are a big part of why we don't allow them until u16.

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