MTG in a lot of trouble

Reality, you are pretty obviously very keen to see the back of Mt Gambier. Why?

Surely they can't call it VPL?

A quick google search suggests this may not be the best choice.

I think the SA league will only accept them under the same conditions. Must have womens and pay for all travel.

Surely it will be called VBL.

it's a different league to the Big V. It's not run by their administration.

VPL is the football (soccer) state league of Victoria so it can't be named that.

Is it true that the Geelong Supercats will be forced to dissolve the Div 1 men and women's teams if this is a Big V type scenario? Would be a shame as this is truly the grass roots of Geelong Basketball as an identity.

It will be administered by Basketball Victoria not Big V

Big V is part of Basketball Victoria. It's all actually the same thing.

I don't know how Basketball Victoria is run at all. Please enlighten me.
AS BV is the parent do they simply run the BigV out of their own offices or is their an organisation under BV?
FWIH all clubs will have to be an association some clubs aren't apparently. Have a Women's or Men's team respectively for those that don't.
There is currently talks underway about how many imports will be allowed and a levelling of the disparity between clubs.
Ie the Frankston's and Sandringhams of the world. A salary cap. Trying to stop the Bendigo's from winning. This is all a joke.

Tell me how they are one and the same?

Big V run 12 different leagues. They have their own staff.

Basketball Victoria don't run any leagues. They run a participation pathway, an elite high performance pathway. How much say does Nick Honey have in the day to day operations of the Big V?

The VJBL run the Victorian Representative competition.

Wow... basketball in Vicland is complicated.

From afar, that's how I thought the structure would be. THanks for enlightening.
It's hard to know when so many people have the I'm right and you're wrong attitude here.
I would have thought that BV are the administrators who oversee all comps under their umbrella. BIG V run it. Makes sense.

Reality, your belief in your own opinion far outreaches the depth of your knowledge and the level of your understanding.

That url doesn't work LC.

It definitely didn't work lost night. Now that it does they have more staff than the Pert Wildcats!

As they should.

Tomorrow is D day I believe with BA to vote on the SEABL stuff. It's a debacle currently.

The clubs and BV met nearly 2 weeks ago, it's already a done deal. Today is just cosmetic.

Tassie now on the outer as well as MtGambier and Canberra.

But he's an ex player!? Surely he should know what he's doing here!?!? (Sarcasm)

what's makes role in this. N.A. are the ones dumping seabl! #confused

Anon, Maley is the acting CEO of BA.

Yes. that's a recent appointment. Nothing to do with the decisions that were made ages ago..

Maley has been there quite a long time and oversaw the SEABL.

Paul Maley has been at BA for quite some time, overseeing the WNBL and SEABL as part of his role as GM of Competitions (almost 4 years).
He has been in charged of SEABL since BA took over the league.

Any further news on the fate of the Tassie teams?

Yes that I already know. So as the boss why would he agree to vote himself out of a job?

He hasn't voted himself out of a job.

Of course not. Just less work and get paid the same.

More money for less work. (No seabl) Plus they still have the seabl's money as well!

What a joke this competition will be. The season is a proposed 28 week competition. Teams like Eltham will be in. Broadmeadows. No Sandringham. Playing in schools FFS. The "elite" competition is hilarious. Tassie looks to be out with Basketball Victoria wanting Tassie to pay for all teams that visit there. The imports wont want to be in any team that players for so long. The NBL players that play in it wont want to join in either with such a stupidly long season. Obviously that length of time will clash with the NBL pre season, the Blitz etc.
March to September is laughable. Competing against the AFL in Finals time. BA have a lot to answer for and now so does Basketball Victoria. Word is also some other SEABL teams didn't apply to join as well.
A once great competition now destroyed in its entirety.

What exactly is the issue with playing in a school? If the stadium meets requirements isn't that all that matters?

Announcement made next week. Stop speculating and wait for the official announcement.

A bush league that you wouldn't be able to score in. You probably wouldn’t even make it on D2 team in big v.

Unless you work for BV there no way you know what all teams will be in the league? Or what players they sign? Or what stadiums they will play at...

Well if you were in a club about to compete you would know exactly what the competition was going to be and for how long. Hardly speculation either. Playing in a school gym. it's not pickup ball. Meets the standard? Where exactly is this standard btw.

All the nbl players will head to nz, nbl clubs won't allow players to miss preseason. The whole concept seem to make the league poorer, quality worse.

I don't get this same old argument against 'school gym'. Does it matter where the stadium is? If it meets the standards of the competition what does it matter?

It denigrates the competition. Who will go and watch Eltham and Broady play there?

How? It's a stadium. It's their home. Who cares if its shared with a school or not. The stadium wouldn't exist if not for the school. Many sports share facilities. The MCG is a Cricket Ground, does it degenerate the AFL to play at a Cricket Ground? Of course not.

A tin pot shed is hardly a decent basketball stadium. Crowds, catering parking, aftergame function, changerooms. hell go to the marvellous State Basketball centre in Wantirna a see the pathetic change rooms. Double headers. Forget it. Same in a tin pot school. No thanks.

Imports won't want to play for that long and miss out on either O/S or NBL gigs.
Aussie playing in the NBL won't play because their preseason will be on whilst this competition is running. Increased budgets? Hardly. There will be increased budgets already because of the lengthy season. Double headers means extra cost that many teams can't even meet already. makes no sense at all.
A diluted competition with out the Tassie teams or MtGambier in at as well.

I hear Bulleen are going to be in

Wow, what a way to destroy SEABL.

Sandringham are looking at D1 Men and Women

Canberra and AIS wont be in. DV possibly out, No Sandringham. Bendigo would smash most teams as would Ballarat. Nunawading too. Frankston who cares.
I think you will find many imports are already playing overseas. It's not only about the NBL it's about where these guys move onto after a short SEABL season.

No teams have been told if they are in or out. They find out next week.

Can't see bulleen being in when their men’s team wasn’t competitive in D1 this last season. And they didn’t pay much money if any for roster of men team.

DV and Frankston shouldn’t be in. Both their teams from last season wouldn’t have been in top 6 of SCM last year. Frankston women are awful as well!

Sandringham are in. I don't know why they would be out? Ppl starting crap. LOL.

I am not the only one that heard Sandy is out it appears.
"Sandringham are looking at D1 Men and Women"

If this is true, while it sucks that a club as strong as Mt Gambier could be left without a competition (although surely that's on BSA) this could spell the end of competitive basketball in Tasmania.

With all due respect to the NWBU and the SWL, they’re a long way off the step-below-NBL that SEABL offered. I know people will say that Hobart and Launceston teams were mostly non-local, but both had locals starting and NWT in particular are developing a solid local core. Are these kids going to move interstate to continue to compete at this level, especially if they’re likely not future-NBL-standard?

You would imagine that this would also impact on the Huskies bid as their model linked heavily with the SEABL clubs.

Team list for new league will consist of

- Albury
- Bendigo
- Ballarat
- Dandenong
- Diamond Valley
- Geelong
- Kilsyth
- Melbourne
- Nunawading
- Sandringham
- Eltham
- Casey
- Knox
- Hume
- Ringwood
- Waverley

Chargers 1st Seabl Champions and now last Seabl Champions.

How prestigious it will be to win the first ever all Vic Elite competition. Said no one ever. How lop sided will this competition be too. PLaying in the jail that is Broady too.

Some clubs put out some pretty ordinary teams on that list!

Does anyone seriously think that the likes of Bendigo, Ballarat, Nunawading etc will put teams on the floor like they did for the SEABL? If they do they are foolish.
NBL players wont play. Simple. Season is too long. Imports will be looking for a shorter comp for the same money, if not more money.
Basketball Victoria just want to feel loved as it's feels that the SEABL winners were regularly non Victorian. Now we have this debacle.

At least the referee's involved will not have to deal with one Peter Carey.

Horses mouth :
Firstly I have spoken to our Association President and the Big V delegate and they have not been informed if there is a new structure or who is in it. They have applied like everyone else.

Secondly BV did not create this situation and are now doing there best to be involved in administering a MAYBE new tear of basketball in Victoria. Speculation only that, everyone is waiting for correct information.Lets hope it comes soon.

Agree with LC it clearly looks like QBL will be the best winter league in Australia

Pretty sure that if MtG, Canb, AIS, Thunder, Torns and Chargers aren't competing there will be 9 less teams across mens and womens.

Announcement will be made next week.

If you feel the level of comp will go down then don't watch it. Simply. Think guys forget scm beat seabl teams all the time in pre season scrimmages and even mid season scrimmages. Not every seabl player is killing it. Seabl players go to big v teams and still don’t make all star 5 in any of the divisions. Can’t tell me the the players from Frankston, DV, Albert, Sandringham, or even Dandenong are that much better if at all better than some of those top SCM teams.

CABL ... is an example of how little so many in this thread understand about SA Basketball.

what announcement?

Premier League won't admit Mt. Gambier at such short notice. Mt. G don't even have a women's team which is a mandatory requirement, not that it couldn't be done by Mt. Gambier, I'm sure it could. The cost to travel there with 2 teams plus one nights accomodation is what will stop Mt. Gambier getting in to the PL. You'd be looking at close to 5k for one game, a cost that clubs in the PL can't afford.

Yes people are forgetting the costs issue. Basketball Victoria wants Tassie to pay for all trips to there. They forget that with the cost savings they are making travelling to Tassie is nothing in the scheme of things. Makes no sense. I guess they don't want to be beaten again. Spectres ;) I am pretty sure that the SEABL licence/ costs incl. travel and accom is approx $60,000. So massive savings which would still allow Tassie to play.

BA are in a world of hurt over this. Watch this space on that one with Mt Gambier being very unhappy to be given the arse.
Geelong won't be playing out of the Arena as it's too expensive.If Hobart were in they wont be playing at the DEC. Back to the tin shed days for them.
A 28 game monpetion too. If any NBL players do play thy will be classified as imports.
Sandy out and Frankston out. Canberra already gone.
Maley's ringing everyone trying to get a competition going and even some former SEABL clubs are very reluctant to join what will become another D League for basketball in Victoria. Sad days indeed.

Fact is, BA have continued to burn relationships through all this.

Another ball well and truly dropped.

BA might get sued over this cockup.

Where is the source on Gelong not playing in arena, Sandy and Frankston not in?? A lot of random facts thrown out on here. Top SCM teams can compete with seabl so lets stop with all the hate on SCM being inferior. Fact of the matter is no one has 100% certainty of what is going to happen with this new league so lets relax and see what happens.

John the longest SCM "road trip" from the city was Corio and Casey in the opposite direction. Mt Gambier is a 5 hour drive, slight difference.

Next Wednesday is D Day with announcements. Assumptions can be proved correct or otherwise then. The BV working group have kept things very tight within. Very few leaks.

There are plenty of leaks from BV. It just depends on the level of professionalism of the person the leak went to whether it ends up on hoops.

Hahaha SCM better competition then QBL! Now that's a good one!

Plenty of leaks from BA. That I know to be true.

Geelong rely on good crowds. Simple. Who wants to see Geelong smash one of these weak teams? No one.
There are no assumptions here. Just the truth.

I do believe that the talent that will be on display will be an inferior product.
Teams won't load up like they did in the seabl. 7 current seabl teams out.

I know of at least 3 Ex SEABL clubs who have decided at least for this season to field only 1 import and a reduced budget to see what the league performance is going to look like. Why pay a fortune to play in a low talent new league.

Clubs may treat the first couple of years in this new league an opportunity to develop from within rather than win a championship.

Yes. I had heard of 3 as well. Good to see that the rumours posted have been heard elsewhere. A Development League. Thanks BA and BV.

It's hardly "the same competition as what it was" with BIG V teams joining. Werribee, Eltham, Broadmeadows, Casey, Knox and possibly more. The loss of 7 seabl teams as well.Tassie wont be in unless Maley can pull a rabbit out of his arse. The Mount absolutely furious and may challenge that decision. BA wrote so much crap about what they would bring to the table and deliver (which they didn't) it's hilarious.

Happy to be corrected, but I think in the men's SEABL:

Nuna played with one import (Swetalla) this year.
Dandy played without imports this year.
Canberra went with one import (Gaff) - I think he's still an import.
Kilsyth went with one import (Turner).
Mt Gambier only had Marzette after they lost players to injury.
Melbourne only played a Chinese kid occasionally.

COE would normally play without imports too, but they played more than one this year with the foreign NBA Global Academy boys able to play.

It is not rare for teams in SEABL to play with one import.

All those NBL players will immediately become imports. So 2 imports straight away.
Not that those goes will play in the new comp.

Yep. Maybe even get sued.

It's a disaster because Basketball Australia governs basketball for the whole country, and they've effectively killed Mount Gambier and hamstrung basketball in Tasmania. They had a perfectly functioning league and they've killed it. People fail to see that suburban Melbourne doesn't have a monopoly on the sport in Australia.

Mount Gambier's recent successes, the strength of Hobart, Albury-Wodonga and NW Tasmania all helped give the SEABL it's attraction. Mount Gambier, Albury and Hobart have all won championships since 2012 in the men. Brisbane were always strong before they pulled out. Granted Canberra unfortunately have become weaker and weaker as the years have gone on, but they could have turned it around. Sydney have been strong in the women's competition as have Launceston.

The Big V teams that are being spoken about here joining the existing SEABL teams do not make up for the absence of these interstate teams. This Premier League will be an inferior product. Simple.

The Victorian SEABL clubs never complained about the equalisation costs. If they did they would have pulled out long ago.

It's not a question of "we don't need such and such" - for the league to survive and thrive it needs everyone to be all in.

Tassie is done. Mt Gambier and many weak Vic teams in. AIS may play away games only. That's a joke in itself as they have always been. No equalisation either. BV want Tassie to pay for everyone to visit.
Wilson wouldn't be playing for the Tigers as an import. Moller either, and the list goes on. All imports under the new rules.
Franga are broke, Sandy being sued, Knox were broke, Eltham oh dear, Broady plays in a jail last time I was there. Werribee, don't know nor Casey.
If they play midweek games and with 28 games to be played that will test all clubs.
BA are a joke and the development of Aussie basketball in the South East of Australia is now a laughing stock.

lol nutshell but you forgot"pie in the sky" until someone beaks the silence

Yes the spending that is required to put those teams of the floor would be a lot higher than the BIG V teams are used to. Another reason why it will become a Dleague.

I never said that. I was saying that those clubs going up to another level will have to find the extra $$$'s to be competitive. The Bendigo's and Ballarat's' and Mount Gambier's, Chargers oh wait

Yes 3 Tasmanian teams in the new comp. It will be 2 conferences of 10 with a playing a 28 game season. Playing own conference twice and other conference once.

Sandringham wont be in. All other Vic SEABL teams will be.

Bulleen, Eltham, Casey, Knox, Hume, Ringwood, Sunbury and Waverley from Big V.

Sabres are in stop making trouble douchebag

Tassie may be in.Nothing more. BV wants Tassie to pay for everyone to visit which is bullshit.

LC, SEABL was rationalised.

Sunbury only won a couple of games in Div 1 men this year.

Must be the Womwms team that they stacked a couple of seasons ago.

Sorry I used the wrong word LC. The word is equalised.
It's changed because Basketball Victoria don't want Tassie in at all.
If you read the article BV invited Tassie in LAST THURSDAY. So why have they waited so long to reach a decision? Clearly up until last WEDNESDAY Tassie was out. It's laughable. One of the most powerful clubs over the last 2 decades in SEABL the first and Last SEABL winners aren't wanted. No last seasons grand Finalist the Tornadoes, not last season finals plating team the Thunder.
Canberra is a basketcase and simply walked away and MTGambier another long term SEABL club and of recent time perennial champions aren't wanted either.
I keep saying it, the addition of these smaller clubs will see a once great competition degenerate into a lopsided affair. A 28 game season too is detrimental as well allegedly playing from March to September.
I am assuming that they will play mid week games possibly. Tassie wont be able to do that either.Sad days indeed.

Stay tuned for news out of Franga. There is a movie in the making here !!

Maybe but they are still in the new competition!

Premier league you need men and women

Sunbury's women’s program is pretty good. They have been recruiting hard for the men

"Premier league you need men and women"
Clearly that rule is now out the door if Thunder and Tornadoes have been invite in. Yet another BV backflip.

Everyone seems to blame the Big V teams, is it possible that a lot of OLD SEABL teams are finding it hard to generate enough money to continue to existing in the old format, thus want reduce expenditure? Last time I checked money didn't come off the lemon tree.

Most metro Vic SEABL teams would be competing against many local football teams for sponsorship etc. Not sure on SEABL butgets but local footy club could have player payments up near 250/300K. Let alone VFL clubs being more than that. so genertaing a enough cash to compete in an CASH war might not be possible any longer.

What a good idea, having the shitty Div 1 teams play against the Shitty Div 2 teams. Makes perfect sense.

How many teams from Big V will go up?

See above. Shitty clubs playing shitty clubs.

19 clubs seems an odd number if you are going with 2 conferences

I think you'll find Mt. Gambier will be in it. Otherwise they wouldn't be shopping around for a womens team to put together, which I dare say will be a requirement.

They should just merge all the rest and have 4 geographical conferences.

Not much difference between them all once you take the second import away from Champ comps

Casey are saying they have been told they will be in

Time will tell

BV trying to keep everyone happy is easier said than done

Casey aren't saying anything about them being told they are in. Casey are hoping they are in. False statements above. No one knows until the announcement.

Can anyone enlighten as to how/why seabl came to exist? Are those factors still in play?

Casey are in.

Correct me if I am wrong. if tassie team are not in then yes obviously that hurts comp and isn't ideal for those teams. But this league is taking seabl who we all know is a great league and combining with the best teams in big v State champ, woulnd't this make the comp even stronger then seabl was? I reckon top SCM can add more value then bottom of SEABL. Hopefully the better players in seabl stick around and dont move to other leagues because this new league could have some great potential!

It will be like DV getting into the SEABL. They think they are good and when that next step is taken they realise that the step up is massive.

I'm sure Casey will be out recruiting. Believe it or not you can add players in the off season if you want

As the structure of basketball heads towards a total focus on state based leagues (with the possible exception of a couple of Tassie teams), I would be interested to hear whether you believe that this will be of benefit to the game overall?

I'm guessing that seabl came into being as a result of some frustrations with state based leagues in the past?

The standard in seabl has been pretty high. It provided a place for players on the fringe of the nbl or just below, to play in a quality competition and earn a few dollars too.

The combination of the generally well resourced regional clubs and the stronger Vic metro clubs seemed to work really well. It included teams across several states and was not totally Vic metro centric.

Seabl had a lot going for it

With the exception of Victoria, none of the other states appear to have state leagues that are anywhere near the standard of seabl.

Will the new Vic Premier League adequately fill the void?
Will the new structure be better for basketball in Australia?

Or are we now just a few (lost) years away from the Ballarats, Bendigos, Nunawadings, Kilsyths etc getting frustrated with the standard of play and the politics of their new state based league?

The aforementioned Clubs have agreed to joining, so be it in the future.

Seabl is not far and above better than SCM. I've been played at both levels and there is very little difference.

Most that are saying it’s a big jump have never played at either level.

Desmond Simmons dominated at seabl then he did the exact same statistically at SCM for waverley.

You guys Have no idea. Some SCM teams actually have higher player budgets than seabl teams.

Is this same Des Simmons that was just a pretty average player for Mt Gambier?

Agreed Reality.

Seabl was a pretty good second tier competition to the nbl. Especially, given the concentration of teams around country and metro Victoria, with its geographic position allowing teams from Tassie, NSW and regional SA to add to the quality and breadth of the comp.

How will the Tassie teams be received by the locally focused Vic clubs? How long before they realise that being treated like a largely unwanted tack on just isn't worth the cost/effort.

Love to hear the reasoning as to why this is a good direction for basketball in Australia.

The SEABL were about to vote at the gf meeting to leave BA. N.A. go in first.

Maley has a lot to answer for.

Still does. he's been doing a lot of last minute ringing around that's for sure.

All fine taking pot shots at a bloke on here.... have you put your hand up to BA to solve the issue? Ring the office and volunteer to be involved in the new league or get on the board.

^ yeah because it's that easy!!

Get on the Board... oh dear. I don't know about you but I am not taking any pot shots merely stating what I know to be true.

Make no mistake he's frantically ringing around to get clubs onside.

Email sent to clubs yesterday, delayed to next week now.

Frantically....

22 teams in. Tassie may still be in. BA assisting with some costs.

who are the 22 teams in??

Is there a chance that nothing happens for next year and everything stays the same for 2019?

Lets face it we next week is the start of November.

Will Mark Quinn apply?

It sure shows you that they are out of control when one team invited in receives that request on Monday this week.

I was invited to apply for a job recently. I was even invited to interview for the position. I even asked them a week later whether they could tell me their decision. Bet you can't guess what they said???

Why would Big V clubs be falling over themselves to join this league. The increased budget that will be required to a, compete with SEABL teams (who I admit could use the opportunity to reduce their roster budgets but some won't) b, with no real added benefit to their members. I would imagine those clubs that value their member base would seriously question the the opportunity cost. Big V is largely unsupported within most clubs. Some of the more successful Big V clubs have in a lot of cases seen their junior programs (the income stream) fall in their quality. See the number of junior teams playing VC from Ringwood, Waverley, McKinnon and Corio (relegated but spent a heap) over the last 4 years.

Seabl teams will save a lot of money with this new competion which can go to establishing better sides ;)

Who says Corio relegated and how you know who spent what ?. Associations still not informed.

Mount gambier applying but have never had a women's SEABL team

They are looking to buy a team , they don't even have a CBL team so don’t have the basis of a team. How do the other applicants feel about that ?

They never had a women's SEABL team in thirty years ?

Launceston don't have a Mens team and Thunder don't have a Womens team. How can they be in?

Hard to understand why they never had a CBL Team this year for those juniors or why they never had a women's SEABL team in the past.

So recruit the best from Adelaide .....interesting

Why aren't mount gambier playing in their own state league based out of Adelaide, a lot of their men and by the sounds of it their women are coming out of Adelaide anyway !

Good point

Adelaide teams don't want to travel to Mount Gambier

But Victorian teams do ?
I'm interested , if basketball Australia have a national state leagues champions series would Victoria be happy to be represented by an SA team

I think the pioneers deserve credit for their history but I wonder if they haven't built a program that’s almost to successful. They need to win to maintain their support in a small community , i have concerns that trying to replicate the mens team program for the women is a step to far. It is the reason they have never had a women’s team as it will be a huge drain on a small population base

How did they go

So where they competitive ?

So Devonport and Launceston some how get an exemption? Hobart isn't an association by the way, yet MtG have to have a Women's team. Tat is simply as mish mash of the rules to suit.

I guess a men's and a women’s team together from Tasmania is one complete application.

Maybe a genuine state by state competition is the only fair way to do it

State by state would make the most sense with tassie in vic for population purposes but backwards nuff nuffs in Adelaide are stuck in the 1970's and won’t travel once a year to play a game of bball because who’d want to strengthen and improve basketball if you have to drive once a year!

I give credit to Mt Gambier for agreeing to start a women's program. They've had a massive competitive advantage in SEABL only having to fund one team for all these years.

If they're accepted into the new league it'll be interesting to see how their men's team fares when their resources have to be spread across two programs.

so not state by state then if you want tassie teams in.

i assume you have an "except for" in relation to albury as well?

what about the centre of excellence? I could be wrong but I dont think that is in Vic either?

so but for those "exceptions" its state by state.

i guess your definition for "nuff nuffs in adelaide" could also be applied on the exact same basis to the victorian clubs!

or could it be that you just dont want to be beaten consistently by the nuff nuffs from SA?

So if Mt Gambier and the Tassie teams are in. With the exception of adding a couple of Big V clubs, What exactly is changing?

All this to just change a name and boot Canberra out?

I agree that mount gambier have had a clear advantage in not needing to fund the extra women's and junior teams in SEABL , but this might now be a leveller in the competition. Looking at the domestic competition there, it doesn’t look deep as far as women go so they will need to spend dollars on their women’s team

Welcome to the real world Mt G.

Albury/Wodonga are not a NSW team. Their stadium is in NSW but they are a Victorian club. The club is registered in Victoria as are their players. They shouldn't be treated as an interstate team.

Would be very surprised if they weren't admitted into the new league before COE, Mt Gambier or the Tassie teams. Especially since none of the other Victorian teams would need to fly there. The cost to travel to Albury/Wodonga would be a hell of a lot less than Tassie or Mt Gambier as there's no flights and no need for accommodation.

Ok, let's clear just a little of the BS.

Mt Gambier's success has been centered around the last 6 years. That is, during a period where the club was led by a very ambitious president who has now moved on.

More importantly, Richard Hill came to coach and brought his son Brad and Tom Daly to join Matt Sutton and Eric Burdon who were already living there. This coach/player group formed the core of the teams success, along with coach Hill's recruitment of some top imports.

Sutton and Brad Hill are now retired, Burdon on the wrong side of thirty and Daly had some injuries last season.

Coaches and players, and even administrators, move on.

A combination of factors produced a very talented group with an experienced coach. Mt Gambier will find it very difficult to continue this success even without having to field a womens team.

Squads like Hobart, Ballarat, Nuna, Kilsyth etc should be more intimidating over the next few seasons.

no flights need to get to mtg either can also be done without accommodation.

if albury is not a nsw team why did they not get an invite to apply when the other vic clubs did and only when tassie teams did?

will be interesting to see if there have been different rules applied to different teams kept in and out.

i suspect all seabl teams who want in will be in.

there will be some of the bigger non vic seabl teams added.

to the casual fan it wont look any different to seabl.

No one has mentioned the concept of Sat/Sun games and how it will affect MTG and HOB

Accommodation is crucial to the MTG trip. To do the 5+ hour trip in the middle of the night after a game is sheer stupidity. I can't believe someone would even suggest it. Spend the thousand bucks and avoid an horrific accident.

there are professional drivers who do that thing daily without horrific accidents but agree with the accommodation being far the best option though.

cant see how or why saturday or sunday would be any issue?

when do teams find out if they are in or not?

Very late to this thread, a lot of guessing here, symptomatic of very poor communication it seems.

Anon #711921,

The Albury thing is easily resolved isn't it, which Association is entering? Albury (NSW) or Wodonga (Vic)? It can't be both surely?

It should have nothing to do with where the stadium is or where the players are registered, it should only come down to the association entering the competition.

Seabl games have always been played on Frid. sat. and Sunday. What is the issue?

You raised a good point, basketball SA surely need to step up and work with mount gambier , it shouldn't all rest on a decision by BV

For, hopefully, the last time.

Mt Gambier are simply not welcome in the local competition. Most clubs are opposed to spending more money to be flogged by a team that is (currently) far better than any of them.

So, for the Pioneers, it is be accepted into the BV competition or cease to exist.

There is nowhere else for them to go. Why do you think they are so desperate to get in?

How big a gap can there be in the SA Comp ? If the pioneers lost 2 players they would otherwise bring in and promoted more locals to start on the court would they still be too strong?

"I understand Tas & Mt Gambier want to be involved as it will be the best competition outside of the NBL, but it is a bit rich to expect BV to cater for non-member clubs..."

Pretty simple cost equalisation. Like the SEabl. It really is that simple except BV don't want to do it.

Why would BSA save MtG when there's no benefit to them, they already lose thousands running their comp with no travel component and they're just doing the minimum with Premier League until the Metro Clubs walk away and run their own comp in 2020?

BSA have a responsibility to SA basketball which last I checked included Mount as they are within that state! They should be ringing them inviting them in for the good of basketball in SA.

Mount might loose a few players as a result and not be that much better than those already on the comp plus who says mount spend the same sort of cash in that league as they might prefer to promote more locals

#712017

Except SEABL's cost equalisation was effectively based on common and equal membership.

I think the point people are trying to make is that Mt Gambier is not an association member of Basketball Victoria.

Bendigo's members all pay fees into BV's coffers for a range of services, from insurance, to referees development to government relations etc. Mt Gambier do not pay those fees, so in any new BV competition, why should they equally access or take advantage of BV's services?

You can assume that BV will operate this on a true cost recovery basis, but that will not be the case in reality. So equalisation becomes problematic, and someone like Mt Gambier would need to end up paying quite a bit more than the others to make up for their overall lack of investment in BV's pretty significant infrastructure.

Maybe SA Country need to get off their arse and support the pioneers? They give associations very little else!

While there might not be equalisation costs the entry fees are still significant. 15k per team ie 30k for each club. 20 club comp that's 600k a year! with clubs meeting their own travel costs what will the money be used for?

It's hard to believe that only 5 months till the season will start, going to be clubs well behind the 8 ball for the first season.

Amazed by the number of South Australians on here who appear to genuinely not care about Mount and consider their inclusion in a league, in their own state to be a massive inconvenience, or view their involvement as unfair to the other clubs.

As somebody who has played SEABL, SCM and D1 BigV, I can tell you that a single road trip is not an inconvenience, or an unreasonable expense. As a player you always looked forward to road trips, especially out country. And to have a club who could really push the rest of your league to improve BasketballSA would be stupid to not want Mount playing in SA should they not be accepted into the new Vic league.

Tassie will now be in a few competitions.

Anon 119 unfortunately that is a Victorian opinion-point of view. Anything more than a 30 min travel time is considered a road trip in SA and unacceptable.

I think basketballSA Is missing an opportunity and maybe if BV knock back mount gambiers application it will be the catalyst for positive change for basketball here, yes I am South Australia and disillusioned with where basketball is at in this state

Spoken like a true player who doesn't pay the travel expenses #119.

If teams fly to Mt Gambier you're looking at 20 return flights (two teams) at a minimum of $400 per head. There's $8000 in flights. Plus another $1500 or so for accommodation. All to play one game of basketball.

For Big V teams that are used to paying $15000 per year that's a pretty massive jump to go to $30000 plus travel costs to Mt Gambier and Tasmania.

I can see why some clubs weren't in favour of these interstate teams.

Albury/Wodonga is a different matter as you can drive there and travel back after the game. $200 in petrol is a much better outcome than $10,000 for a trip to Mt Gambier or Tassie.

All will be revealed tomorrow.

No one flies to Mt Gambier, you drive, most seabl teams only fly to Tasmania.

so why is everyone jumping on bsa and criticising for not pushing to have mtg in their league yet no one is being critical of basketball tassie for not wanting their 3 teams? It is exactly the same scenario.

please any suggestion that bordertown, port augusta, port pirie, murray bridge would somehow help strengthen the league needs some help.

mildura applied a few years back and clubs didnt want them (seems that BV is happy for clubs in their state go to another state based comp).


BA surely have a responsibility for all clubs and regardless of their state to find an appropriate and viable league for them to compete in given that they canned a perfectly strong financially viable league in which those teams were competing and which teams were lining up to join.

While accepted in usual circumstances it is not BV responsibility or concern about interstate teams it probably is in this case as it seems pretty obvious that the decision of ba was orchestrated by bv.
anyone able to answer what the 600k bv are collecting will be used for?

It's a 4.5 hours bus ride from Adelaide to Mount Gambier. People making out like it's a 16 hours flight from Sydney to LA.

Just to give some context, this is some of the travel in that happens in BigV. And this is travel by road (car/bus)

Melbourne to Warnambool: 3 hours
Warrnambool to Traralgon: 4.5 hours
Mornington to Shepparton: 3 hours
Melbourne to Mildura: 6 hours
Mildura to Traralgon: 7.5 hours
Dromana to Mildura: 7 hours
Wodonga to Dromana: 4.5 hours
Mildura to Wodonga: 6 hours

And a lot of these trips are taken by smaller clubs. Nobody HAS to fly. If small clubs like Wallan and Maccabi can afford to get from Melbourne to Mildura, I'm sure that clubs in SA who can afford to pay NBL players can get their teams to Mount Gambier.

You would be surprised, quite a few fly to Mt Gambier. Friday night games, allows players/coaches to work half days then fly out early afternoon.

seems that they are used to travel then. a trip to mount gambier 4.5 hours (from melbourne) shouldnt be difficult then.

yes most clubs did fly into mt gambier when there were equalisation payments. however there is no real need to do so. if costs are a concern and without equalisation payments those clubs can drie. as said above its only a 4.5 hour trip.
do you think that mt gambier flew to melbourne and all other venues? even with equalisation this wasnt the case. mt gambier was able to travel on the road to their games but teams have to fly in to play them? mt gambier did have some trips by plane. eg tassie trip, canberra trip each year and one two others but predominately they drove to their games.

Equalisation costs didn't work for everybody. I could never understand the fairness of a team like Albury/Wodonga paying the same amount as everybody else when they only flew once a year. I think the way BV are going is right. If the Tassie teams want to join the comp they should pay their own way. it shouldn't be up to the teams that don't fly to subsidise the travel costs of the teams that do.

"No one flies" to The Mount. That's simply BS.
"Albury/Wodonga is a different matter as you can drive there and travel back after the game. $200 in petrol is a much better outcome than $10,000 for a trip to Mt Gambier or Tassie."

Yes if you want to have your team potentially killed by doing that, you are foolish.

"$10,000 for a trip to Mt Gambier...." hahaha

Ummm, Rex flight from Melbourne to Mt Gambier is currently showing as $440 per head. Two teams of eight players plus two coaches = 20 people. 20 x $440 = $8800 plus accommodation and food you're going to be pretty close to $10,000.

Albury would fly to MtGambier surely? Canberra, Tassie and Brisbane most recently.

NW Thunder has an article on the Tassie scenario. Lot's of if's in there.
https://www.theadvocate.com.au/story/5728822/elite-comp-hope-for-the-north-west-thunder/?cs=88&fbclid=IwAR334nVsa6r58cGsoTvLCcuLk94CdEjAsPf8cLC8GD4864TcW1oITEyGXXs

Can't wait for the announcement tomorrow so everyone can stop guessing.

if you are not so precious and drive to mt gambier it is far less than the 10k!!!

if you are silly enough to think the only option is to fly if you just book more than 30days in advance (not hard as there will be a fixture) tickets are $129.

mtg should not have to contribute to flight costs when teams can drive. if they want to fly no issue but surely has to b at there own costs just like bendigo who have been know to charter a flight.

Fingers crossed for the good basketball people in Mt Gambier and Tassie.

Hopefully, reasonable compromises can be found.

precious hahaha.

People have lives, families ... WORK.

We're not talking about professionals here. Driving takes time people don't have. It's not being precious mate its reality that we're talking about a semi-pro/amateur league.

Then don't play. If you want to be amateur play reserves on a Tuesday night.

Its a semi pro league Take a day off work to not get paid. Sure. Like so many here they all have opinions based on no playing experience and any elite level.Yet are happy to say they are right.

That is supposed to be revealed today.

Do you non south Australians realise that the premier league is a long way from a semi pro league? Do you realise it is not a state league but rather an Adelaide league? Do you realise that the largest centre outside of Adelaide has a population of just 28k? The Adelaide league is significantly different to "other state leagues" particularly Victorian leagues to which it is for some reason being compared?

Great idea. Drive there Saturday. Play, lose and drive back sunday and be non functional at work. Piss off.

wow, toughen up princess

Yeah Hobart to NWT is 3 hours that's a tough trip.

WA has its majority of population in Perth with the largest town outside of it with 30K just like SA. And guess what? Its state league the SBL has country teams!

Not just like SA.

Bunbury has a population of 85,000+
Busselton 38,000+
Geraldton 37,000+
Albany 34,000+
Kalgoorlie 30,000+

All larger than MtG which is SA's second largest town with 29,000+ population.

You can't just make SA be like another state. It is what it is. Basketball is just one part of that reality.

Population dynamics of city:towns in WA and SA aren't that much different.

Says you. Facts prove you wrong. WA has a very robust Country Town population and economy compared to the ever shrinking SA Country population.

It's not even close.

Where will the announcement be made about the new league?

Has anyone heard anything?

My belief was the new league was proposing no Friday games. So big difference to interstate teams.

Lots of things rumoured, so will be good to bed some things down and start moving forward. Desperately waiting to hear something...c'mon BV...

Anyone no how the clubs are to be informed or will it just be an announcement on media

4pm announcement

announced where or how?

Mt G in.... Canberra out.

BA to announce soon.

Waverley and Ringwood are definitely confirmed in.
Announcement being made tonight on BIG V website.

Eltham too.

if it is now being announced tonight how then is it that ringwood and waverly are definately confirmed in?

Clubs have been informed.

Eltham can't be in. Their women were relegated to division 1.

BA sent out an email this afternoon effectively announcing the official death of the SEABL.

The email confirmed that Canberra men and women and Sydney women had applied to join the Waratah.

The email also confirmed that some clubs had expressed either in writing or verbally to BA that they were out.

BA trying to spin it that the VIC SEABL clubs "left SEABL" not, "we didn't want to run the league and we weren't going to sanction it". Basically pulling a Pilate and washing their hands of it.

Mount Gambier being left out makes sense another only hope is to now be allowed into the SA state league which, given SA basketball politics, appears very slim.

Probably change the Thread title - SEABL is over. There's no SEABL in 2019.

Canberra and Sydney are out and have allowed notified BSNW of their intention to play Waratah. Everyone else has applied, clubs have been advised.

BV wesbsite

http://basketballvictoria.com.au/foundation-licences-announced-for-basketball-victorias-new-league/

Eltham women relegated means nothing, DV men and women finished in the bottom few the year they went to SEABL, as were Melbourne, and both recruit a whole roster, with very minimal players left form theor Big V season. Maybe it has a lot to do with on and off the court, men and women as a whole.

Not everyone else applied. Some teams were invited in.

Number of games?
Friday games?
Timing of season?

So much information still to announce.

RIP Mount Gambier

RIP Mt Gambier

http://basketballvictoria.com.au/foundation-licences-announced-for-basketball-victorias-new-league/

Very disappointing for western Melbourne basketball.
Didn't need more teams on top of each other in the E and SE.

http://basketballvictoria.com.au/foundation-licences-announced-for-basketball-victorias-new-league/

2541 it does mean something. As a sunbury supporter, we were not allowed in due to the men not being up to it. What is the difference?

So they leave Albury Wodonga in but can Mt.Gambier?

Can't really compare Albury/Wodonga to Mt Gambier.

A/W already have a men's and women's team and are only a three hour drive from Melbourne.

Whilst it's sad for mount gambier , it forces them into discussions with their own state body, this might lead to an improved SA Basketball comp but the pioneers might need to suffer a bit of pain in order for the long term future of the sport in SA

To say they have no future straight away would be for them to throw in the towel and effectively say they want nothing to do with their own state. They need to sit down and have serious discussions with SA Basketball..,.....or throw in the towel

Coe will be in victoria then?

By their reasoning, yes.

Excuse me all you basketball professionals so what
Happens to basketball pathway in the west. Not one team
Picked. A simple answer would be okay.

Surprised Casey aren't in.

Tassie has been out and still may be out. There only offered a spot in the new competition last Thursday.

Isn't Geelong west?
No other teams would be competitive in Men's & Women's comp.
Same with Casey.

Which clubs in the west should be considered? Werribee? Keilor?

Why no Tesms from Western metropolitan Melbourne? Could have had any of Werribee, Hume, Sunbury or Keilor. All at some point showed interest.

#712568 asked...

Excuse me all you basketball professionals so what
Happens to basketball pathway in the west. Not one team
Picked. A simple answer would be okay.

Seeing its NO different to what it has been the last 15 years... what answer do you want?

Dear Mt Gambier Pioneers,

Thank you so much for your contribution to the SEABL competition over the last thirty years. Honestly, we've loved having you.

We now respectfully request that you take hold of your:
Four championship banners,
Five grand finals in the last six years,
Regular home game attendences of around 800 or more, and
Strong community acceptance and support,

And insert them as far up your rear end as you can.

Love,
BA/BV.

Perhaps not the exact words but you get the sentiment..

What will happen to SCM and SCW?

SCW will no only have 6 teams. Will they have a 20 game season playing everyone 4 times lmao

So whats happening to gambier? SA Premier league?

Don't be surprised if MtGsmbier play SCM. The only reason they did not get into the new league was because they didn’t have s Women’s team. Had nothing to do with being in SA

Mount got the short shift but blind Freddie knew this was happening! BA @ BTAS stumping cash up to help travel costs only reason the tassie teams got in.

It's sad that no team from the west/north got in with booking populations and future growth short term pain of having one of those club in made sense in the long term particularly when clubs basically next door in the east get in like Eltham/DV when you compare the growth to Keillor/Werribee and the facilities but we know who has all the favours at BV

So the top two tiers will be:

Super V
Big V

?

Who cares after that Take your frustrations out on BA.
Top league now invented with a shit league now invented. Thanks BA

Why are the AIS in this competition or what ever they call themselves now?
Gunners have been a basket case for a long time unfortunately.
Gunners article here.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/basketball/is-this-the-end-for-the-canberra-gunners-after-seabl-goes-bust-20181031-p50d8k.html

Maybe Werribee,Kei.or,Sunbury will have to earn a spot.
Not good enough yet.

^^^^ COE (AIS) allowed to play as once the upgrade happens at the State Basketball Centre in Wantirna, the COE will have a new home. Better to have them in the comp now rather than wait a year or two.

Western suburbs teams were asked but some declined due to lack of finance or not having the resources (on and off court) to compete.

FWIH it's extremely unlikely the CoE will move to Melbourne.

State Championship tournament is being planned for 2020. Looking to hold it on the Gold Coast.

When are BigV going to restructure SCM/SCW as a result of this?

Expect to see Big V SCM & W have their import restrictions changed from 2 to 1 only. This will cascade down to Div 1 & 2 not allowed to have any imports. A big plus in my eyes. Makes teams develop from within and those clubs not good enough in lower divisions who reply on an import to be competitive die a quick death.

Unless BA give the Big V League an exemption to the current FIBA rule. I Hope not.

If having imports helps put teams on the floor and keeps others playing the sport then that can only be a good thing for the sport....

Waverely aren't spending big on the imports they have already signed for 2019 season.

Knox are known big spenders. And are throwing a lot of money around during their current recruiting process for 2019 season.

Most the teams already have their signings. So doubt increase in payment for players.

Surely they can't restrict SCM to one import this late. Most teams will already have imports sorted etc.

If no imports are allowed in lower divisions it will be who will get the best naturalised australian who used to be american.

Just read pioneers press release , it exposes their own boards lack of planning and perhaps their own negligence in ignoring the importance of the women's program. It’s one thing to say that BA didn’t insist they have a women’s team, but when everyone else has one and new applicants must demonstrate a plan to, well it suggests the pioneers board stuck their head in the sand and chose to ignore what was going on around them. Now their application to enter the new league fails because they can’t demonstrate an established women’s and it’s everyone else’s fault. Sorry pioneers board but you intent on chasing a men’s championship became all consuming and it is apparent that you were focussed on a team not a club

Teams have already signed imports to contracts. It would be a legal nightmare to change the rules now. Surely Big V are smart enough to realize that.

There certainly was talk that the Pioneers were going to sue BA for failure to deliver on any of their promises.
The thread title is no longer applicable either. SEABL is no unfortunately dead.

If mount are still trying to rally support behind closed doors then taking pot shots at BA in a statement isn't the way to do it!

Hardly a pot shot when it's factually correct.

I don’t think pioneers will go down without fight, doubt this is over yet.

Mtg will be in SCM Big V next year

wrong

It's just a bizarre concept this whole thing. There were a bunch of SEABL teams looking to get out of SEABL due to costs, travel and a bunch of other reasons. The power struggle to put a top team on the court got very expensive and the bigger clubs (the ones with massive junior programs - for those of you not in Vic that's 6000+ kids) could afford it. Tigers and DV were on their way back, Knox recently returned couldn't see the value. Now we've got SEABL 2.0. Because really that's what it is. Pretty much the same costs are going to be involved (wait until Ringwood have to report that to their member base). The travel is almost the same (Tassie, Albury, Bendigo, Canberra? nobody seems to know). Just administered by BV and not BA. Seriously its just BV picking up something that really not many clubs actually wanted. 2 years it will be Victoria only as the licencees will drive the change and not BA/BV. Tassie, start developing your own league as the clock is ticking............isn't it Mount Gambier?

Tassie has a few comps but they are separate. I wouldn't want to be driving to Burnie of Smithon every month of so. 4 - 6 hours. It's not quite as small as Melbourne.

I can confirm the book value of the SEABL assets handed over to BA was in fact $256,243 (as per annual report).

From what I understand close to 400k was handed over from Seabl to BA. As i understand BA say that is ours but we might use it to help ease travel costs for new clubs in elite league. That is help those clubs who made no contributions to it, while clubs that did but now don't have a spot in the league (Canberra and Mount) more bad luck. BA have a lot toy answer for