simple no swearing the ref should be reported simple tech the players but if ref think inappropriate to swear then why does he ?? and what action should be taken ask the ref ???
this holy than thou attitude whats get up people noses about refs who put on the gray and black and become super wonders in their dreams
i have no idea about the game - ref etc - but this just brings bad taste to all

who was the ref? if its who i think it is, hes a tool and ejected me once aswell, but for good reason, after my outbursts after his disgraceful calls.

swear jar Jan.

I think the same ref is the clear stats leader for both techs and games called off...

He threatened to tech the score bench in one game because the clock wasn't started correctly on one occasion.

#92666 fair comment. Probably out of frustration as most refs are fairly approachable and willing to discuss the game or an interpretation.

Why does it still exist... good question. Perhaps issac can tell us. why are there still 3 referees names on here... well perhaps issac can tell us that as well.

He can also tell us why people from the 'lower class' divisions who think they can play basketball are always oh here having a wah wah.

These people do not deserve a ball. In fact anybody who comes on here and dribbles the jibba-jabba that they dont like the umpiring, should not recieve anything (except for maybe the doorman on tuesday nights at the dome).


If you dont want the refs swearing at you, then dont swear at them. its funny how it is acceptable for players to do it, and not umpires.
Take Joey Johns in the NRL. He got two weeks. I know of an umpire who did less then Joey and got 2 years, all cos he said F*-k once.

But if you think that coming on hoops.com.au (cheep pop), and writing that you don't like certain umpires will help them improve, you must be stupid. and you do deserve a ball....to the head.

'Would it happen to be ----- or ----? TERRIBLE UMPIRES shouldn't be umpiring bball fullstop (52-Cans, 17/08/06)

yeah, that's going to make the umpire's enjoyment of the game rise, and i'm sure that the next time they hit the court they're going to have that in their mind to hinder their performance.
Even better stop having your wah wah, dry up those tears, and start umpiring yourself since you think its so easy. no, you would rather just sit behind your computer screen and dribble jibba-jabba. (Prob how you play basketball as well)

Perhaps its time for referees to get on players backs when they miss a free throw. There's no defense... its not like you are out of position. Come on people, its sport. In this case its social basketball (or div5.....nah thats social basketball).

Grow up you imbosibles.


That's me, just havin my say

I've left it so far because I've read nothing that suggests that the ref hasn't sworn as suggested, and that surely that's an issue worth addressing?

If you have an issue with a specific post then email me via the forum with the address of the thread, the ID# of the post, and so on - this has been forum practise since the beginning and it's in the guidelines or terms of use. I don't have time to read every single post that comes through and make calls on what people think is fair, what they think is too heavy-handed, what's legal, what's offensive to a minority, etc?

People have criticisms of players, referees, administrators and so on (go and read the comments about Marcus Ng for a recent example). This is one case where from my skim-read it seemed that a player was right in suggesting that a referee had acted poorly and was asking their peers for a suggestion on how to lodge a complaint - I think that's reasonable.

imbosibles? is that an imbicile who is impossible to deal with?

its not a witch hunt. it is about accountability and understanding the process.

kind of reminded me of the wombles.... so i had to mix imbicile with womble and thats what i got. and to you issac, would you like for me to write up here every time that i hear a player swear at a ref. thats surely an issue worth addressing. there's juniors tonight. perhaps we can write about how they have bad parents because they swore at a ref in an under 18s game....

Players aren't calling the game. They aren't being paid to participate (they're paying to be on the court). You've taken a very basic and thoughtless view of the situation. Ideally they're not going to swear, but if they do, warn them and then tech them - how does swearing back at them aid in control of the game? From the original post in this thread, it seems like things got very quickly out of control because of that.

(Louts probably swear at police all the time, but I would expect the police to play a professional hand and not stoop unnecessarily to that level.)

And if enough people, including at least one who is a reliable-enough contributor to believe, think that there's a pattern of poor performance, then asking a question about what can be done is fair.

I'll say it again: if you have a problem with a specific post, then you email me about it. Easy.

to all those who read that, umpires get paid re-emburstment for their time. its not like they get paid hundreds of dollars to come do a div 4 or 5 game, let alone social.
Some players respond better when you speak their 'language'. Cam McKinnon (that was cam not sam for those playing along at home) for example. talk to him he'll keep crying. call him a soft bitch, he smiles and gets on with the game.
Some players it is needed to speak to them like that. they look at you and say "shit, i told him to fcuk off, and he didnt tech me... he just told me to fcuk off as well... thats what i like"

And dont get me started on the police.... and their stupid bloody horses! Umpires are not police, they do not police the game.

and if i emailed you isaac, that would spoil all the fun.... Does your guidelines not say QUOTE "Where possible, don't slam referees. They have a tough job and they make mistakes. There's scope to discuss a contentious call, but keep it fair. A number of refs read and post to the forum -- if you piss them off, who's going to call your game?" UNQUOTE

playing a game like basketball is emotional. an emotional expletive will often come out.
more often then not, the swearing is directed at the frustration of their own action, and is not directed at a ref.
either way, swearing deserves a tech foul.
there is no excuse for a ref to swear AT players. it demonstrates a lack of confidence and integrity.
how is an emotionally charged ref going to make efective and unbiased decisions?

i know of many a time when a ref has heard a player swear, and when the tech was given not oly the player, but the coach went off their tree. Game control brother.
Just because a ref tells a player to get f///ked doesnt mean that he cant make an unbiased decision. Just because a ref doesnt like a bloke doesnt mean he's going to call carp on him for the rest of the game.
its just amazing how its ok for a player to do it, and not a ref.....

just havin my say,
you sound like a very grumpy person.
read my post again without your ego getting in the way of understanding simple concepts.
as a ref, you have the procedures in place to deal with players and coaches who swear.
if a player or coach swears AT the ref, eject them.
maintain the integrity of the game and the referees.

Game control? Glad your not referreeing any higher then div 5 and by the sounds of it you never will. Respect is earned not given. That goes for Players, Coaches or Referree's.

In Social Competitions if a player or team has a problem with the conduct of a referee they should first address it to the Umpire in Charge. If they are not satisfied with the result then they should lodge a formal complaint in writing to the Stadium Manager who will work with me to rectify the problem.

In District Juniors the same applies except the team/individual etc. needs to put the complaint through their club committee.
In District Seniors there is no UIC so you need to go though your club in the first instance.

Neil Poulton
Manager, Referee Development