whats nash done, really though? He's gotten probably the most talented team in the NBA to the conference finals twice. Doesnt that make jason kidd better? he got his talented team to the finals twice. arenas isn't nearly a top 10 player, i wouldn't put him in my top 20
Isnt it interesting that the Top 10 in a lot of cases doesnt mention the top earners in the game right now :
Chris Webber $20 plus Mil over next 2yrs
Shaq - injured .. is it $60 mill left over 3 years ?
or these guys $15 mill plus Club:
Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis , Jalen Rose ... Michael Finley, Baron Davis ,Jermaine O'neal ..
I think the Knicks have a lot to answer for driving the price up on quality players.
Dirk would easily be top 3, probably along with kobe and garnett i would say. As for camby being the best centre in the league, how does that work!!?? No way i would put artest in my top 10 and i would not include billups either. Dwight howard would have to be up there, maybe not top 10 though.
ELG if your theory on who makes the team better you would have to have Dirk as your number 1. Timmy D does alot but look at last year without duncan playing to his level San An still finished in the top 4(1st i think but not sure) San An has the ballance with Timmy D Manu and Parker three allstars plus can Areanas do a windmill?
heres my person pick
they both lead there the top 2 teams and are also having great induvidual seasons as well.
scoring machine and u gotta have him high from his form last season
Still very young but a freak of nature. very powerful and really isnt a match for 1 on 1.
hes what like 24 and lead his team already to a championship. he was playoff mvp which means a lot considering playoffs is the real season.
his post moments are all most ungaurdable and is a monster on the boards.
agent 0 is having a break out year. his teams do ok and he is performing high! his numbers go up every year.
love him or hate him he still gets the job done. at all most 30 points a game and a stack of assists you gotta have him here. with the right team he would be able to lead them to a championship
no question bout his taslents he just needs to prove to be a winner because he hasnt ever done that. get deep inside the playoffs and you could probably consider him like Dirk
Artest simply because i think he is the best defender in the leage who can score when needs to and he plays with a lot of heart.
sorry to every play that missed out
ie Duncan, Ming, Pierce, Allen, Carter, stardimare
No way is Camby one of the best ten players in the NBA. I'd rate Yao and Stoudemire ahead of him, making Camby the 3rd best C in the league. When Shaq comes back, you could make a decent argument that he goes to number 3, leaving Camby 4th.
Nor is Duncan the second best in the league. His numbers are good (20, 10 and 3) but they're not great.
Here's my picks:
Next 5- Duncan, Marion, MacGrady, Iverson, Pierce.
1 Kobe - The best scorer in the league and this season has proved that he an make his teammates better
2 Duncan - fantastic winner/defender
4 Kidd - almost averaging a triple double this season. A better defender than Nash, just as good playmaker.
9 Lebron - has all the talent but not quite there yet
10 Shaq - Still the best winner in the game. This season has proven that Miami can't win without him.
ELG, Since when have you been on the Kidd bandwagon? i can remember you posting a few weeks ago about how Nash was better than Kidd. Make up your mind!
Everyone's top 10 is basically guards with the odd forward. 10 years ago this list would of been C's & PF's, my how the game has changed, and not for the better I might add.
My top Ten
4. Yao - when he was playing
5. Duncan - a step slower but still Mr Fundamentals
6. Nash - doesn't play enough defence, also don't know if his style can win a championship
8. LeBron - he has to be in the top ten, just needs to actually show some real killer instinct
9. Kidd - I rate him better than Nash but the Nets aren't doing as well
Wade IMO is not as good as he looked, Shaq requires a double team and that made it that bit easier for Wade.
Mr Clutch, IMO Artest has to be top 10 because of his hustle, heart and more importantly defence. He is the best defender in the league, and consistently shuts down the best players going around. Add that he'll get you 25, 6-8 rebounds and a handful of assists every night and he's got to be around the mark.
Too much focus on offence these days, you have to award defence. It's also the single reason why Kobe is better than Lebron and why Wade is that good too, these guys know how to play D.. Lebron still has to develop that part of his game
It is amazing the lists that people put up, so many one dimensional players!
Here is the top ten from the NBA's fantasy performance index. I think quite a few of you will be suprised!!!
Now i'm sure there would be plenty of arguement of that top ten!!!
Personally, my top ten would be something like this...
1. Steve Nash
Double Clutch - Sure Shaq's stats may not be all that good (i don't know where you got 40% fg from - he shoots at like 60% for his career) but i dont think you can measure how good he is by his stats. Look at his winning %, with all the double teams he draws i think you'll find most of Maimi's players will lift there game once he returns.
Lockstock, I totally agree to much emphasis is placed on offense these days and i agree that is the reason Kobe is better than Lebron and Wade, that's also why duncan is so high on my list. But as good a defender as artest is he still has never been on a winning team and his %'s and attitude are terrible.
No one's arguing against Shaq's past ability, but against what he's done this season.
He's played four games for two wins over the Nets. The two losses were a 42 point thrashing at the hands of the Bulls and a 22-point drubbing by the Rockets. Both of those thrashings were at home!
This season, he's shooting at 45% from the field and 44% from the stripe (both career lows). Add in 3.5 turnovers per game and it hardly indicates that he's still a big game player.
It's a bit hard to judge a player on 4 games of basketball, and you have to remember that he's renound for pacing himself a bit early on in the season.
Last season he averaged 20 9 2 blocks on 60%fg whilst only playing 30 minutes a game - five less than the previous season. Not too bad IMO. We'll see how he does when he comes back to full strength, more importantly see how Miami does.
mr clutch, can't disagree with you on the attitude of Artest.. however if his Pacers stayed together and didn't go jumping into stands punching people out a year or two ago they arguably were very close to the favourites to win the title, with Artest being one of the top 3 candidates spoken of for MVP that year. I think it's a question that could easily go either way..
Surprised also to see Elton Brand not getting any mention yet.. would anyone have him close to top 10?
Bizzy, don't you think that it's a bit hypocritical to not have Wade in your ten because you don't think he can win a title without Shaq, yet have Kobe at 3?
We've all seen how Kobe went with Shaq (title favourite every year) compared to how he played for that first or so without him. Even now, the Lakers have the Spurs, Mavs, Suns and Jazz in front of them out West.
I know that Kobe is (at this stage) a better player than Wade, but Kobe clearly can't it done all by himself either.
He is this year. his team's second in the west without Odom.
p.s anyone can be a star at atlanta. its where you go to get a big contract.
and shaqs days of being double teamed are over. maybe against the weaker clubs, but against the better clubs like dallas, lakers, houston they have big men can adequately guard him one on one. i mean lets face it, mourning was more effective in the finals last year than shaq. wade did all the damage on his own (even if he is wildly over protected by the refs). and they (miami) dont have the shooting power to overcome a team who will struggle to guard him one on one (phoenix, san an) their rotations are too good. unless wade can pull off another miracle performance for the rest of the season, i cant see them making the finals.
1.T-MAc hE CAN DO ANYTHING HE WANTS WITH A BASKETBALL, IF YOU WATCH HIM PLAY YOU CAN SEE HE ISN'T EVN TRYING.
2.LEBRON- IF HE DEVELOPS HIS OUTSIDE SHOT HE'LL PROBABLY THE MOST FUN PLAYER TO WATCH.
3.WADE-HE ALREADY HAS A RING AND HES ONLY WHAT, 22. tHERE ARE ALOT MORE TO COME.
4.KOBE- HE NEEDS TO PASS THE ROCK, HE GETS IT MORE THAN THE WHOLE OTHER TEAM.
5.dIRK- HE IS JUST GOOOD!
Amare has to be there, maybe still under done behind garnett and duncan, but this guy is the real deal and in my top 10!
Also Iguodala is the man?? Also in my top 10!
Wade, Melo, Amare, arenas, nash, Iguodala, dirk, LeBron, Kobe, McGrady
Im looking at the future here as well, not at guys that were in the prime 5 years ago, but still getting it done!!
I see alot of you have Nash as #1. Give me John stockton over nash any day john could do everything Nash can but he plays defense to. Maybe try the reverse and justify why Kobe should not be #1. He is the best all around player and most fundimentally solid. The only one ever compared to his Airness by the Airness himself. Don't follow the media Hype go with your true NBA knowledge. Remember Nash and the others need other players to help there game Kobe can do it by himself if need be.
Well. you ppl. are all forgetting about Paul Pierce.. Also, we all saw what Carlos Bozzer can do in the offseason.. and he deserves my respect.
i can't believe no one has put tim duncan as number one. All you posters can brag n boast about nash or kobe being the best but tim duncan is 10 steps ahead of everyone and if you want to argue look at his stats and achievements. No one...NO ONE comes near him.
And you cant say well nash is more creative or kobe is a better scorer, while that is true it still doesn't come near as tim duncan's numbers offensively and defensively. And rule out last season because timmy had plantar fascitis or whatever it is. He is the best player the NBA has seen in the pas decade.
Ohh and don't forget, the spurs are gonna win the championship this year and he is their archilles heal and the reason why. Spurs over detroit in 6.
Most of the players on most lists are fantastic individual players.
But then again, basketball is a team game.
The player that makes the most out of his team should be the ones on the Top ten lists.Player that dont spend too much time with the ball to make a difference.
In no particular order:
yo soy billy pienso que esta es la mas seria seleccion de los top ten sin apasionamiento. y sea que esten de acuerdo o no ustedes me van a dar la razon ahi les va para todos ustedes gracias.
1-Steve Nash(inteligencia y abilidad).
2-kevin Garnett(el mas completo de todos los tiempos).
3-tim duncan(el mas seguro).
4-Kobe Bryant(la makina de hacer puntos).
5-Lebron James( pronto sera el rey,pero todabia).
6-Dirk Nowitzki(ha hecho todo solo le fata un anillo).
7-Allen Iverson(el pequeño gigante).
8-Dwayne Wade(falta mucho por ver de la maravilla).
9-Tracy Mcgrady( mi favorito pero las lesiones...).
10-jason kidd( pequeño que hace a los demas grandes).
No way you can have Iverson, McGrady, Arenas, Anthony (bad decision to pair him with Iverson)in any top 10 group. They are not winners. At that level, there are many great players, some scoring a lot more than others, some rebouding more, steals etc. At the end of the day, great players will help their team win.
Iverson = hogg
McGrady = soft+never advanced pas 1st round
Arenas = I too could average 28 shots per game if I shot 40 shots per game.
Anthony = was getting much better before they traded for Iverson. They needed to trade Martin for a sg or pg.
This is the problem with kids these days, they look up to proven losers who look good, but don help their team win...well anything.
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