ace
Years ago

Movements at Centrals

With the departure of many of the senior women from centrals ABL side, will centrals still have a team for the 2007 main season? Further, if there is no women's team, will there still be a mean's team?

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sum1  
Years ago

Not sure about a mean team ace but a mens team for sure on the other hand i am not close enough to it to know if a womens team will play but i am sure there is someone out their who can inform us all.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

no womens team, heard they can get 'special permission' to have mens team in comp still??

Pity Centrals doesnt know how to look after their better players, if that was the case they might not be in this situation.

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ace  
Years ago

oops - yes a men's team, women were far from being mean!

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sum1  
Years ago

well ace i think it was good to have the two import players last year but perhaps more needed to be done to keep the other players, i am sure they won't lose any other players this year

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In the Know  
Years ago

Its a shame for basketball.

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business arising  
Years ago

Where has Bayley gone? and what was her name Karen Roberts a great little player

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Anonymous  
Years ago

rumor is that some of the uni girls are coming over to centrals for abl season. but im not sure if this is legal under the abl rules.....

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Robbo  
Years ago

This is what I understand...

Centrals cannot get a team together, they have appealed to all other teams asking for players, when the players wouldn't come the senior players decided to bail out of the sinking ship and left (most notably, Bayly to Eastern) They are onto the fourth coach in as many years and the committee up there seems to push coaches out of the club faster than seeing a g-string sitting over some trashy girls jeans at the elizabeth city centre. Since they have lost all their players the club has appealed to the league again to allow a combination uni team (Adelaide Uni, Flinders Uni & Uni SA) to play under the Centrals flag. They need permission from the league to play these players without the penalty of starters not being allowed to play in reserves for the Uni teams to agree to it. Centrals is in major trouble... They should do all they can to sign their coach to a long term deal then back away and let someone with an ounce of basketball sense run the team properly (they should never have let Kylie Taylor get away) but again the Centrals committee knows best GO LIONS!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

i heard that when other clubs offered they turned them away and said that they wanted to use their own girls...... big mistake doing that

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lil monkey  
Years ago

they have no girls to choose from. Unless they are planning on putting a junior team in to play aba?

think they need to look at getting a new club president, obviously things arnt going so well out there.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Good move Bayly!! She will be more than a wedge ahead at Mavs!

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Squizzy  
Years ago

If this is true what an absolute shame. The facilities at Starplex are excellent & the competition is much better with all sides (including Centrals)being competitive.
I thought that they looked much better last year & were finally on the upward path.
I'm not a Centrals person but would be sad to hear if their girls pulled out.
Their court announcer was also pretty entertaining so I hope that they retain him!

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sum1  
Years ago

Bayley was good for centrals she will be a big loss not only on the field but off as well. Come back as the club need you to bring in the young ones and keep the club going, perhaps stay away one year and then come back all refreshed.

Perhaps Robbo should make a comeback and Trimboli should get more game time then the club would have players

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sum1  
Years ago

Squizzy you are spot on the ABA needs a northern team to stay alive and promote the sport without it and the population growth in the north being a big factor. Without basketballtThe women will all go and play soccer or netball. No wonder why soccer is now becoming the leading sport in the country.

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311  
Years ago

If the club had looked after their more senior players, most notably Bayly, then they may be a fighting chance. Im not talking paying them mega bucks, I understand they do not receive financial remuneration, but at the very least a few hundred to cover petrol costs per season could be a start.

They had started to show a glimmer of hope but with the loss of Coach Taylor that spelled the beginning of the end.

Unfortunately the club's culture is one of not looking after their own so it's hard to see how the female program will survive.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

who else has left from the womens team

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Lion Supporter  
Years ago

The 2 girls from Warrnambool (from what I hear) were ready to sign for this year early last year but the committee didn't act so the girls are staying at home. With a contract they would have honoured it. Bad management. The Money sisters have moved on and I don't think they are playing. Tracie has retired. Emily was made to play division 2 under 18's as well as 30 odd minutes a game in ABA and at 16 this was always going to burn her out, she is just not playing anymore. Again more bad management.

The committee needs to be held accountable. I suggest before any exemptions are given to the Men to play without the women an investigation should be undertaken to see that the committee did all it could to retain the current players and support recruiting and development.

The coaching team the girls had last year made big improvements what did the committee do to retain them? Why weren't the 2 girls from Warrnambool resigned to ensure a playing squad for 2007? these are 2 question that the committee should be ask to answer.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I absolutely agree Lion Supporter. Centrals have never supported their womens program it has always been too focused on the mens side. tis a shame.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Emily to be a nurse in the navy!!

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Lions'r'Done  
Years ago

Centrals women cannot field a team, Centrals are going into receivership, Centrals are s**t because blah, blah, blah.

It is the same every year!

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Glen  
Years ago

maybe areas need to be zoned as in football. that may be the only way central will get good players.
for some reason (from juniors up), central is the last club chosen.
why is that? it would not be travelling distance etc. as matches are played everywhere and some players travel down south to play and train. there has to be more to it than that.
I know for a fact the main focus at Central has always been the ABA Men's Team and the Women's Team has hardly had any support at all.
they definately need a well known and proven Coach, who will entice the better players to the club.
the experienced and good players, eg, ex sasi and state players will not stay at a club where the coaching is substandard after all they have had the best coaches and know when a coaching progam is below par.

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to the left  
Years ago

it is an absoloute shame that the larger clubs all but discourage non preferred juniors from their senior programme

to see this situation and u21/ u18 div 1 / 2 players being left out of senior grooming in larger clubs and just left to go nowhere is a shame

why can centrals not be allowed to speak to u18 / u21 non cored players ?

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booga  
Years ago

To the left: why would girls leave a div1 program to play div2 at centrals it doesnt make sense.

"I heard that when other clubs offered they turned them away" yes this was true but the only club was north and the coach at the time was glen shaw for centrals and he had no idea who things were done in s.a ball so now it's a case of paying for the sins of others.
I belive their is only 1 or 2 people in this state that could fix the problem at centrals but it would take about 6 to 8 years before visible signs of imorovment could be seen. the two people are jane stirling and paul meske(sorry if spelt wrong) but with no money to offer or any other reason to do it why would they, just my opinion

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I can assure you that it was no fault of the committee that the two imports didn't come back to centrals. One stayed in Warrnambool because she got a job there and it was in her home town, the other one had some family issues that she couldn't walk away from.
Centrals were working closely with the uni clubs, however it appears destined not to happen.

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Lions'r'Done  
Years ago

From what was mentioned yesterday the Committee didn't get the paperwork needed to keep these girls in contract!
Is this not true?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

It wouldnt suprise me if that was the case. Trying to make other excuses as to why the girls didn't stay.
What did they do to keep Bayly? and didnt they almost have another big girl interested in playing?.
How can they expect to get a womens team together, when they don't even look after what they do have.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

there not playing for a million bucks so why come back here when home and jobs and family are back in Vic, there probably if anything losing out coming over to play.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

because it 'would have' been part of their contract.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"he had no idea who things were done in s.a ball so now it's a case of paying for the sins of others."

And you do Mr Booga? Looking at ur posts history Im not so sure.

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Sturty6ers  
Years ago

Booga

Glenn had a good knowledge of 'SA Ball'. He had coached in Adelaide prior to going to Centrals. From what I know he was a very knowledgable coach.

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booga  
Years ago

anon or glen as i think u r and sturty6ers if had prior knowledge of s.a ball why did he have no clue about sasi

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Anonymous  
Years ago

This post is not about Glen.

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Orlando Smith  
Years ago

I believe the main issue here is with no consistancy in coaching there can be no continued recruiting... The Centrals juniors need more development in order to be ready to play ABA and until a coach is allowed to stay for more than a season players wont want to move clubs to play there.

2006 - Kylie Taylor
2005 - Glen Shaw
2004 - Dan L.
2003 - Glen Hosking
2002 - Julie Anderson

I know the last 2 felt pushed away by the committee as they were given no room to run the team as they felt was right.

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Kingman  
Years ago

Everyone can point the finger at who is to blame and when all that is said and done what has been done to fix the problem. If the Centrals ABA women don't play this season they are no chance of getting a team in the future. The Men maybe able to play this season but what then, does BSA change the Bi-Law or is Centrals Men one season off the end as well. If the Bi-Law is changed does that open up oppitunities for the Uni teams or Torrens Valley or God forbid Western Magic to enter a team in the ABA.

The Centrals bus is rolling down the hill with no one helping to stop it and if it isn't stopped who or what is it going to take with it. Which club will be next? This will have some impact on Basketball in South Australia make no mistake about that.

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Happy_Harry  
Years ago

HAHAHAHA Centrals are a rabble; put a fork in them they are done.

They should get Booga and his 'hot chip and diet coke' eating old man to coach to coach the team, going by his way of turning the Sixer around he has all the answer.

The CDBC senior committee for as long as I know have always tried to stick there nose into basketball business that did not involve them.

They have made life hell for every senior men's (all the way back to the early 1990s when Chris Lucas was the Men's coach) and Women's coach as well as any JDO that has a semblance of knowledge was booted out. It's always a 4 or 5 year plan that get to a point of looking good and then the committee will either stick there nose in and sack the person doing all then good work or take all the accolades and annoy that same person causing them to leave. And then it starts all over again, all the good kids will leave, the good senior player will leave and the teams will bottom out and have to start rebuilding the club dynamic's again.


Like I said; that club is a RABBLE.

They need to implement a strategy that can build club to be successful. The 4 most important areas would be (junior boys and Girls (Mini ball under 8's  14's) and then 16's to the senior sides. 1 for boys side and 1 for the girls side  the Senior men's and women's job would include looking after the under 16, 18 and 20's.

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Happy_Harry  
Years ago

The Centrals women's team ( well the entire club) remind me of the Sturt Football Club in the early to mid 1990s when they didn't win a game for 6 or 7 year in a row. They need someone like Phil Carman (but a basketball person) to come in and turn the club around.

They need to try and entice someone to take this challenge on and build there coaching reputation, this person is someone who is looking for an opportunity to branch out into a management position, senior coaching, career advancements in the training and developing (someone who can pass on there skills to the junior coaches) sector and someone who will basically do this for free (over 4 or 5 years)

But who?

The club should look at offering this challenge to Rachel Sporn, Pat Mickan, (I doubt either would be interested) but they have to put a job description together and put the challenge to recently retired players or chaos, even someone like Marg Angove (I know it a different sport) wouldn't so such a bad idea.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

happy harry (mr paradigm). How wrong you are my friend. Is ignorance bliss?

I would sure love to know who you are because some of the posts you have made here have been absolute classics. Might I find out if I venture out to a mental assylum? Your language, choice of words and thoughts seem that way.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

(#116371) - nice work PM. how's the painting?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

116372, who is "PM"

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Happy_Harry  
Years ago

#116371

Excuse me?

That was only my third post on this forum. I have no idea what you are talking about.

I am a new user to this forum.

Why Mr Paradigm, saying that what would be so bad about shifting the clubs current culture and implementing a new paradigm. I don't understand why you called me that; my post had noting about a paradigm shift in it.

Getting a little bit defensive and paranoid aren't we.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Dick Daft quote?

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booga  
Years ago

i would be intrested to see who happy harry is as well. the truth is a lot of the stuff he wrote is true with chris and others even with bob hunnerup it happened. i know alot of the times mary lamont had a lot to do with it in the past but not anymore once she made the basa bored her involement in the club decreased but in then becomes a cultre i supose.
by the way harry he still eats hot chips but with pepsi max now

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Happy_Harry  
Years ago

His Dr must be proud.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Centrals have always concentrated on the mens sides. A few year (probably say many now) they lost in the vicinity of 8-10 Junior female players becasue they appeared to showed no interest in develping young female players. They had an AGM and the mens coach had all of the senior men attend just to get his way. Nice going. Included in the bunch of players who left were Lauren Mansfield and Jess Fergus. Great vision, you get what you deserve!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

#116443

LOL

That was Barry Mansfield, he took the girls to North Adelaide because he was not elected to the committee. He had a major cry and sooked out of the club.

So get your facts right.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The part about having all of the mens team attend the AGM is absolutely right. And the reason behind it was that one particvular individual didn't want the Manfields on the committee

So Barry may have sooked, but he had a right to do so, because no one else at Centrals cared about what he and Sue were doing to develop Juniors and in particular the girls sides. He had the best interests of his kids in mind and so he should have. They were never going anywhere under the Centrals regime.

Get your fact right buddy.

Unfortunately, my kids stuck around at Centrals for a couple of years lost all interest in the game and never played again.

Just think what Centrals would look like now if they made a different decision. Think about that.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

He had his own interest, not the clubs. He always has and always will.


I know the facts - open your own eyes.


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booga  
Years ago

thats true, it's preety bad that the last time centrals had a decent womens team was when ted powell coached but junior teams was starting to drop off back then

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I attended that meeting so I do know what went on and have been involved in sporting clubs to know when a predetermined outcome has been set up.

Facts. Centrals lost at least 8, and if I recall a few more than that, Junior Girls. I believe all of these have played Div 1 at North, the majortiy having been involved in SASI squads and I think 3 have played ABA, if not at North at other clubs.

If they hadn't left, and I am sure it was their own decision because Barry is no Pied Piper, would Centrals Women be in the predicament they are now?

Whilst a definitive response cannot be given, the answer is probably no.

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booga  
Years ago

i remember that meeting it was barry v's mary. it was the only time mary and bob worked together instead of against each other

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Anonymous  
Years ago

116481, all these people are long gone. What is the point?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

so, does anyone know if the Uni clubs are able to field a team under centrals name? what's happening with that?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yes, the uni teams can field a club under centrals name. No its not happening - various reasons including some uni players already tied to other ABL clubs, distance of travel to Starplex every second week and time committments of playing with too late notice.

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booga  
Years ago

since they are droping their only div1 team to div 2 things are only getting tougher

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Graeme LeBroy  
Years ago

I believe Barry has done a great job at North, promoting and helping the girls side of the club to make it a pretty competitive if not dominant part today.
Thanks Centrals for having that meeting (if it did happen) to make Barry move, North are better for it, and so are his kids and the number of other kids he has helped by coaching them.
Barry has taught me a bucket load, and wouldn't have done so if he was still at Centrals.

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Neptuneboy  
Years ago

Did someone crap themselves?

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