he was actually caught driving unlicenced in Nov 2003 whilst suspended re a DUI so the title of the post is misleading. It has taken 11 months to get to court. Still a bad headline for someone whose role at the sixers is presumably in marketting/promotion and is a role model. Also a bad headline when you are trying to promote the sixers. A positive story out of the sport pages would be helpful.

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The article didn't make The Advertiser's online selection that I can see, but I had a flick through during lunch.

Page 7 is a bit unfortunate, but I don't think that the headline mentions either the words "basketball" or "36ers" (can anyone confirm?). Probably a little larger than the Sixers would have hoped. The piece basically detailed MD's history of not paying parking tickets, driving while disqualified, etc. Said that when busted for DUI, he was 3 times over the legal limit. Not good.

as a leader and role model he should take stock -no doubt he is paining !

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thats right as long as he wasn't driving a 36ers mitsibishi

True. Does he?

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Does Mark go around by himself? I think you will find that if you see him travelling during business hours he is usually being driven around by someone.

I can guarantee that Davis does NOT drive a 36ers Mitsubishi (and if there is anyone driving a 36ers Mitsubishi, well goodluck to them - Mazda is the teams vehicle sponsor now!!)

Eevery time I have seen Mark leaving or arriving at the Dome, it has been with someone else.

As for driving required as part of his job....anyone heard of Cabcharge....credit cards etc???

Further to that...wouldnt it also be better to get potential sponsors to the Dome to sign them up??

Take them for a tour, show them where there box will be, where they will be dining, take them into the "hallowed" areas and show them the changerooms, the gym, the "players lounge"...get them to watch some training....you know some of the "behind the scenes" type stuff to make the potential sponsor feel really part of the team. Introduce them to the team at practise, away from all the crowds.

Well, when he was playing all of his drives ended up in charges anyway so he's just keeping things consistent.

I swear, I saw a game at Apollo in 91' playing for Ken "glass heels" Cole when he got fouled out on 5 charges.

Some time in jail (sharing the frontline with Dwayne Nelson) didn't do any good then - why should it now?

More then likely he's looking at a further suspension on his licence, plus a huge fine.

He's also entitled to 'home detention' on weekends or community service as a punishment on top of the finanical fine.

Jail time is not out of the question, but unlikely due to the calibre of legal representation that Davis could use...

Driving unlicenced usually only results in a TIN, whilst PCA (Davis has priors for PCA, not DUI. big difference) results in a appearance before a Magistrate.

Whar are you on about?

Somebody is studying law...

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Probably to clarify any concerns they might have or gain direct information. I agree that a statement that included accurate information could be useful in this situation to avert negative publicity.

You know what guys, at the end of day..... and everything like that!

You know what I'm saying?

I actually managed to get to read the article today, and I think the original thread title of this thread is inaccurate, not to mention half of the discussion within.

Davis is NOT facing more drink driving charges, he is facing charges after ALLEGEDLY being caught driving down south, whilst disqualified.

The drink driving charges have been heard, and dealth with, and I think it was pure sensationalism on the part of The Advertiser (SURPRISE!!) to even mention those charges.

Hopefully, if the charges are correct, Pud has finally learned that he needs to serve his time, and get back on the road lawfully, and serve as the community icon he is known as.

(Ed: I think he made a plea of guilty and that was stated in the article. The article also mentioned driving while 3 times over the limit and disqualified; if someone has a history of driving-related offences, surely that's relevant and not sensationalism?)

What about a joint-promotion against the dangers of drink driving and taking the road seriously, with another luminary from Port Adelaide Power (ie Mr Pickett)?

Driving without a licence is a serious offence that you wouldn't want to repeat, regardless of how big a celebrity you are. They can both expect suspended sentences and then next time ..... good night, would someone please pass the soap?

you would get the sack at my work.....

If it's only a 'drive whilst suspended or court disqualified' charge then the matter should/could be dealt with via a traffic infringment notice, but this is all depending on how many prior convictions for traffic matters Davis has.

No, not studying law, just one of your friendly boys in blue.

Yogee, how do you ALLEGEDLY drive a car? It's black and white. You are either driving or not, and your licence is either suspended or not.

Stop giving the bloke a hard time, he's hardly in the spot light these days and should hardly be subjected to this type of criticism. All you forum writers i'm sure are not perfect angels! If it were anybody else who really cares.Cut the guy some slack, he was a legend for this team, played back in the day when people played for the love of the game and was and still is one of the most loyal people to the club, enough with the tall poppy syndrome!!!
I hope that people find out all the things you guys have done wrong and post it all over a website or in the paper.

AMEN brother let those without sin cast the first stone. (I learnt that one from the simpsons not church)

Panther and Informer, I was not criticising him, just making the fact that it is very hard to be allegedly caught driving...

Don't get so defensive dudes, I love Mark Davis as much as the next 36ers fan...get of your high horse.

Tall Poppy Syndrome...please

So by that thinking, what exactly is it that Mark can do that is unacceptable that warrants closer examination. Or is he able to commit further mistakes and get away with it without suffering from the same punishment that others who are less popular than him endure. Sports people often do get of with lighter sentencing.

It is unfortunate, but if you live your life as a sports person by promoting your club throught the media, then you are a role model and need to be held accountable through the media. Just like all other sports people in the country. Because like it or not the sponsor and paying spectator want their money to go to "perfect angels" to quote panther, even though they themselves are just like the rest of us, not even close to living our lives without similar mistakes. And it is the sponsors and paying spectators that pay the wages.

Sorry just my opinion.

MW, do I publicily discuss the things you've been caught doing??? If you were alledged to steal post it notes from work would you like everyone to know about it??? Have it "posted" (no pun intended) on a public website for everyone to know your a hard core thief????
I'm not on my high horse, I just don't think something like this should be made as public as it is and shouldn't be discussed on this website.
Don't like the tall poppy syndrome comment? Obviously hit a nerve then...

No perfect angel here Panther, did the crime & paid my time. Wasn't cut the slack that Mark Davis has been but I'm no sports legend, and never expected any leniency.

Unfortunately I've had good friends killed by drink drivers and irresponsible people who weren't licensed.

With all due repect to Mark Davis and his career, you can't keep dropping your pants to the law no matter how many boards you've pulled down.

It's not tall poppy syndrome, no one likes to see their hero fall but you don't want to see them hurt other people either.

It's a serious issue Panther and should be discussed. If Pud's indiscretion helps some young forum poster think twice about driving unlicensed than the thread has been worth it, don't you think?

Your right, I am a role model to all other office workers out there who use and abuse the stationary at their workplaces, I should be ashamed and my actions plastered all over the media...

What are you talking about?

This is a public forum to discuss all things basketball, and arguably the best player to play for the 36ers is in trouble with the law and you think that won't get discussed?

That is very naive of you Panther.

So Sigfried, how is it that Mark "...is able to commit further mistakes and get away with it without suffering from the same punishment that others who are less popular than him endure." So Mark was never punished? How was he then driving unlicensed? He just decided one day he'd hand in his licence for 18 months???
So if you advertise your club through the media then your a role model? Is that what your saying? I wouldn't clasify John Pike owner of Heaven a role model! He was alledgely caught driving while suspended, how do you know the circumstances of why he was driving? Where you there???
If he gets caught speeding or not wearing a sealtbelt would you want to informed about that???

I think you just did inform us.

Panther you're not Pud posting under an alias are you? You must be judging by the way you are defending what he has done...

No he's your worst nightmare!

All I can say is what goes around comes around, trust me.
Bootney, i'm not saying drink driving isn't a big issue, but why isn't then every single time someone drink drives or drives unlicensed that they aren't spread across the newspapers or websites like this???

What goes around comes around...so what is coming around then?

I guess it's up to the media to make their call on what is "news worthy". And since it's basketball related, I'm not surprised that people want to express their opinion on the issue.

I would say that a non-victimless crime should definitely be publically reported. "Victimless" crimes (possession of a soft drug, for example) will get reported if you have a history of it such that the public will want to read about it, or if you're a "name" within the community.

I can appreciate the points made by those who think it's a punishable offence (i.e., some would get fired for it) and those who want to limit the negativity as it impacts basketball.I can't see everyone coming to a clean agreement either way.

Shall we wrap this up?

I guess you'll have to wait and see...

Anyone know who MW is perhaps we can dig some dirt on him/her and post it all over this website for everyone to see...

ha ha ha...dude I have a feeling I'll be waiting a while.

MW writes Yogee, how do you ALLEGEDLY drive a car? It's black and white. You are either driving or not, and your licence is either suspended or not.

Well, unless our country was picked up moved whilst I was at work today, we are a democratic country.

One of our democratic rights is the presumption of innocence until proven guilty in a court of law. This has not happened, so therefore any charges Davis is facing are alleged offences until they are proven. Basic law really.

I'm pretty sure that he entered a plea of guilty to the court, and it was mentioned in the article.

Siegfried and Roy...you state that when you promote your club through the media, you have to be scrutinised by the media (well, I paraphrased)....

why...if your work involves media contact, should your private life then be open to public scrutiny in the media. I am a media writer, and made the decision NOT to promote this artice to my national audience for 2 reasons a) not really relevant to a nationla audience and b) I dont feel it should be getting lived through the public media.

If this had been any other person, there would not have been a mention of it in the papers (maybe a little 5 line column on Page 24), but because it is a high profile sporting identity, bang, there goes the sensationalism.

Personally, I have no time for repeat drink drivers, or people that drive dangerously, spending 3 years working on ambulances, and seeing what it does. However, I still think this case has been well and truly beaten to death, and Davis should be afforded some sense of privacy in this matter, unless he personally decides to make some sort of public announcement.

Isaac wrote I'm pretty sure that he entered a plea of guilty to the court, and it was mentioned in the article.

I seem to recall the articlesaid Davis was preparing to plead guilty, but then the matter got adjourned. May have misread.

From the Pickett incident. Article from PAFC site:
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Club Statement
12:01:01 PM Thu 14 October, 2004
Port Adelaide Football Club
The Port Adelaide Football Club is aware that Byron Pickett was involved in a car accident overnight, and accordingly has been charged with several driving offences.

The club is disappointed with this and certainly relieved that no injuries were sustained as a result of the accident.

Byron is currently on annual leave.

The matter is before the courts.

Accordingly the club has nothing to add at this time.
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Geeez......i think thats twice in about 3 months...I recall he had a prang over in Pt Lincoln )or somewhere west) not that long ago...or was that Robbie Burns? Who ironically was in court today for his Tennyson prang (twice over the limit)...got a licese suspension and fine.

I thought you were against the publication/discussion of this sort of gear! :P

Just saying twice in 3months.....not good!! At least Davis was just caught for no license...didnt wreck or hury anyone/anything

i think if you actually know who panther is you know he's had his fair share of drink driving Mr meaners! come B own up! if you think Pud's drink driving crimes are his worst, think again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yogee,

YOu are 100% correct. In build the bases of taking a matter before a Magistrate (regardless of murder, shop lifting, negligent driving etc etc), it is always ALLEGED.

It's is the Police's job to investigate the identity and the incident of the 'alleged' offender. Once that investigation become complete, and the through investigation techniques (statements, ID parade, or the simple fact of someone handing you a photographic ID and cofessing), then they are still the alleged offender. It is up to the Courts to decide if that person is guilty or not guilty of that offence.

As much as it does hurt me to say this, the presumption that people are innocent, and must be proven guilty is correct.

My personal motto....... "In God we trust, everyone else is a suspect!"

My point was how do you allegedly drive a car? Anyway who cares...

By the way, nothing has "come around" yet Panther, I'm waiting...

MW,

Define for me, 'in control of a motor vehicle'.

Do you think that sitting in a vehicle, pissed out of your head, with the keys in the ignition, engine running, and then going to sleep define as being in control of a vehicle???

Then define, 'driving a motor vehicle.'

My understanding is as soon as you put the keys in the ignition, that is regarded under law as being in control.

I assume driving a vehicle would then be the steps taken to put it in motion (ie putting it in gear)..regardless of whether the vehicle has moved or not.

Not so, I once did agree with you until I was placed in the box and told not so in Court. A precendent wa set by this ruling in one of the Eastern states.

A 'gentleman' (I use the word loosely) was blind drunk, got into his vehicle in the middle of winter, placed himself in the drivers seat, turned on the ignition, turned on the engine and then passed out. Due to the fact he was asleep (my opinion, passed out), he was deemed not to be in control of his motor vehicle. 'Not guilty' was the findings....

A mate of mine was caught sitting in the drivers seat of a car with the keys in the ignition, not even turned on, and was found guilty of drink driving...interesting isn't it! Admittingly is was only a light sentence...

Alternatively, in a WA case, a person has found to have been 'driving' by simply 'controlling' the direction of the car after being towed, despite the engine not being on. Administering the brake and steering was enough!

Don't you just love interpretations of current legislation between different jurisdications.....

oh well, back to more important issues of basketball than worrying about work......

since u came back to south panther u have been very vocal on these threads
on matters from club to now drink/driving,mark is a legend,but he has not done himself or his club
any favours,he's a big boy,ur not the only one who has opinions hence the interest,ur not doing ur club any favours by defending him,

How am I not doing my club any favours? Assuming you play and I did say assuming, if a legend of your club was done for a traffic infringement and it was made public and people started bagging him/her would you sit back and do nothing or defend them???
I'm not saying he's innocent or guilty and i'm definitely not agreeing with the drink driving issues from a couple of years ago but to make an issue of driving whilst under suspension or excessive parking tickets is ridiculous and if people want to print plus read that kind of stuff they really should get a hobby or something.

It is quite funny that you do not want people discussing this issue yet you are constantly adding to the thread and not letting it die. Whats the word I am looking for here? Starts with a "H" and ends in "ypocrite"....

Sorry what would you like me to do? Let people like yourself sit back and bag one of the legends of the game? I would gaurantee that next time you saw Pud you would once again be kissing his arse, that my friend is a hypocrite!

Well actually, the only time I have met the great man was at a US clothing store in a mall in Adelaide, and I can't say I was kissing his arse then...

What you were only buying clothes to look like him???

Nah dude, just passing by and saw him at the counter...

It is true that all of the relatives of people who have suffered at the hands of a drink driver would be upset this man has got away with it too many times for his own good and others. get off the road if you got enough bucks to catch a taxi and enough women to call to get ya home

cant say he is a good role model.

only for story telling

most people on these web/forums have hobby's am sure b/ball, there's to many sports/person's of late from all code's including md who are currently b4 the court's they are roll model's 4 1.000 of youngsters they should b well and truely put out there 4 all to c,and yes my friend stay out of it and yes, it's a no win situation 4 you,for anybody
legend or not and yes again u do not do south any favours stick to trying to win back some respect win some games,good luck,

jays, what women you talking about...isn't a man married

jays, what women are you talking about...isn't a man married