Way to over exceed expectations Centrals, a major achievement getting 1 team into the finals; party central for Centrals down at Starplex this week.

On a side note, the regular season system with uneven byes should really be reassessed. A team should not be penalised for having 2 byes instead of one.

some one didn't have a date on the weekend.
it would be interesting to see how much it has changed from 2 years back to see who is improving and who is sliding
could the centrals girl team that is in the finals double as their abl team at least the team knows how to win

Panther at the end of the day does it matter? you still need 2 wins and if your good enough it won't make a lick of difference.

Of course it does! How about we run our national competition based on that theory? We'll put all top 8 teams in a hat and draw the finals rounds out that way, and while we're at it, whoever gets drawn out first gets home ground advantage!!!

Well i'll have to take that one on the chin then! What do you mean double div one? As in the top two teams from division two offered spots in division one?

Is it true Southern U16G put in a protest last night re having had 2 byes??

Panther

The double bye would've worked out to favour if Forestville had lost against centrals as it goes on percentage of wins not points in that situation and south would have had a better percentage, but because Forestville won they had the better percentage of wins.

It will also mean that kids at the stronger clubs who get overlooked for Div 1 but may be just as good as the current div 1's because: - havent been playing since U10's and secured their position, or there simply is not enough room in the current Div 1 teams - get a chance to prove themselves as worthy as their Div 1 Club counterparts. Means that they get stronger competition and the competition gets stronger for everybody. More kids get to realise their full potential and get to play at that level. There would also perhaps be less movement between clubs with kids chasing that elusive Div 1 spot.

(#119401) Couldn't have put it better myself.

Anon 119303

Get your facts straight.

It would not have mattered if there were 2 teams from the same Club in Div 1 as that would have made 10 teams and there were 11 games therefore someone would still have had 2 byes.

The uneven number of byes is caused by the programming not the number of teams in each grade.

Across all age groups and divisions. But doesn't include non member clubs who's teams often are graded into divisions lower than they should be.

42 total grades

168 total teams in finals

Maybe they come from Darwin where the people believe under 14's is making the state team.

North 30 in finals out of 42 = 71%
Sturt 33 in finals out of 51 = 65%
Forestville 28 in finals out of 45 = 62%
Norwood 20 in finals out of 52 = 38%
West 3 10 in finals out of 38 = 26%Southern 12 in finals out of 47 = 25%
South 9 in finals out of 39 = 23%
Eastern 3 in finals out of 14 = 21%Woodville 5 in finals out of 30 = 17%
Centrals 1 in finals out of 16 = 6%

anon #119795,

I would say that North have done a pretty good of developing their players over the years.

They have had a number of AIS players and both of their senior teams are made up of juniors.

But I feel that looking at Div 1 teams in finals is another stat that is important especially for the 12 - 18 age groups.

Sturt 8 out of 8
North 5 out of 8
West 4 out of 8
Forestville 4 out of 8
Norwood 3 out of 8
South 3 out of 8
Southern 2 out of 8
Eastern 2 out of 8
Centrals 1 out of 8

This shows that Sturt is more consistant than North, ut also that West does well in div 1 and that Norwood is a little down for div 1.

I think North are also currently lacking in their lower level Boys. From memory their U14/12/10 Boys were no where near the level of the rest of the club. How they devlop this will be improtant to their continued high position.

Some other interesting stats:

1/ Both Centrals and Eastern have decreased their nominations for winter by 1 team. Centrals 15 teams andEastern 13 teams. Dangerous times.

2/ Forestville have increase in teams from summer. 3 U10 Girls terams but only 1 boys?

3/ North, Norwood adn Sturt seem consistant.

4/ Southern have nominated only 41 teams compared to 48 at the start of summer. Drop of epecailly in U12's (3 teams down) and UU14's (2 teams down). Considering there was probably 60 teams at Noarlunga and Southern Suns befgore the merger this is probably a bit disappointing.

5/ Woodville have picked up a couple of teams and West have dropped one.

Norwood have big problems ahead,hardly any teams from 12 - 16 on the girls side making the top 4.

To many teams,not enough quality coaches.

Solution cut probably 7 teams overall,be more selective in type of kids they want.

And become better in training as the North program is probably the best going around.

Top effort from FROM THE STATS ROOM. Great stats, hats off to you.

Great effort "from the stats room"

would be keen to see percentages if only done from U12-U18.

Think there might be some falling in the lower end of your table by some clubs especially the southern clubs.

#121113 (and #121114 as you are clearly the same person!),

This forum is nothing if predictable. Within hours of Sturt success this kind of post comes up.

I've been around this forum long enough to know that it is pointless discussing the following topics rationally: uneven competition, pro/rel, perceived poaching, zoning or Sturt success. I do not post on these issues anymore out of self preservation.

Actions speak louder than words.

Instead of debating the above points, I offer this (as I have in the past!) to you (#121113) and anyone else who believes you, or for that matter anyone else who is interested.

Please call me (if you try really hard you can find my number!) and arrange to follow me for the next week to see how hard our players and coaches are working. You will need to commit to every session, (early mornings and late nights are included), so that you can experience it.

Hopefully you will see just how hard we (and the other so-called super clubs for that matter, because we do not have a monopoly on hard work!) are working and you may gain a greater appreciation of the effort put in by the successful compared to the not.

My guess is that, as in the past, I will get zero response and you will keep sniping at us from the hills.

I keep reading about how the Big 4 clubs poach players from other clubs - I think the real issue here is that they are not being poached they are moving to the Big 4 clubs because their parents want them there - plain and simple - for the so-called "better coaching/training" Problem is though that these parents that come from other so-called "weaker clubs' expect that their kids make Div 1 at these Clubs when they have only been playing Div 2 at the other Clubs. They push and push for it and kids that have been at these Clubs for years and have parents aren't as vocal/pushy get left behind - so to all the parents that bring their children to the Big 4 - perhaps you should stay where you are - because the grass isn't always greener

The point I was making - is that it really has nothing to do with the Clubs - if a parent rings your Club and says "we are not happy at such and such a club" and we want to come to your club because of better coaching/training,grievance at old Club, etc, etc, apart from getting a clearance there is nothing stopping these kids from coming.

It is their choice - Then yes there are the issues of existing kids being moved sideways for the others coming in and new parents expecting their kids to be in higher divisions in place of kids already within the Club that could have been developed - and I agree with you this does not help the comp but this is an issue that BSA need to look at and implement some changes perhaps - you cannot stop kids joining other Clubs - it is a cold hard fact - and quite frankly it is not about junior premierships - it is about the clubs providing a community service to kids that want to play basketball at their particular Club. And until getting a clearance is made harder to obtain - this will always happen - and you end up with an unhappy club that they left, unhapppy parents at the new club that feel their kids are being overlooked.

I dont know what the answer is but I dont know that you can take choice away from families as to which club they want to play at.

Semi Finals results time.

Number of team in Grand Finals

Boys

Sturt 13
South 5
Forestville 4 + 1
Norwood 4 + 1
North 3 + 2
West 3
Eastern 1
Southern 1
Woodville 0
Centrals 0

Girls

Sturt 8
North 8
Forestville 7
Nortwood 5
West 2 + 1
Eastern 1
Southern 1
Woodville 0
Centrals 0

Overall

Sturt 21
North 11 + 2
Forestville 11 + 1
Norwood 9 + 1
West 5 + 1
South 5
Eastern 2
Southern 2
Woodville 0
Centrals 0

The + are games to be played due to the blackout.

Sturt had a very good semi final round, but both North and Forestville are very competitive on the girls side.

The big 4 are 52 against 14 for the other clubs.

Non member clubs made 13 finals + 1.

South boys did very well. While West made 2 Grand Finals in Div 1 boys.

Forestville made 3 girls grand finals while North made 2.

Grand Finals results are now available as all finals have been played.

If people want more detail then just ask.

Sturt 13 grand final wins
North 6 grand final wins
West 4 grand final wins
Forestville 4 grand final wins
Norwood 4 grand final wins
South 2 grand final wins
Others 8 grand final wins

Div 1's

Sturt 5 grand final wins
West 3 grand final wins
Norwood 1 grand final wins
Forestville 2 grand final wins
North 1 grand final wins

The big 4 won 27 out of 41 grades.

Non-member clubs won big in the div 3 and 4 grades.

West and South only non big 4 clubs to win a premiership.

Looks like Sturt had a good finals day.