Talk ya self up some more cheezy. i need to start seeing some court burns on those knees. if ya scrap some more, ya have my vote!

I'd say a good point guard and centre are the first two positions a club should fill.

Follow by a swingman than a 4 man.

So, the shooting guard is the least important?

Good point. Sixers have won all of their championships without a dominant centre. Don't think any player is more or less important as a general rule..

Doctor, to say the Sixers have won championships without a dominant centre is slightly off base.

Reesy is a dominant centre. Perhaps not on the scoresheet or in filling lanes, but dominant nonetheless. Ask anyone who plays against him at national league - he fills up the keyway big time and is very underrated.

most under rated in the league

Lets see,

Centres don't get the ball down the floor,
they recieve more than they assist and they usually guard the opositions slowest player.

Think about it the guards on your team would guard the oponents best penetrator, if they aren't up to the task there probably won't be many def boards for you anyway.

A good four man will do everything a five man does just faster!

You make some good points but,

The MOST important position on the floor is the spot 1-5 were your oponents are the weakest.
ie. out rebound a lazy centre or steal the ball of a weaker point guard.

Cheezeburger if you run the floor hard all game then as a five may you will be a huge asset to your team and perhaps even the most important player, some games.

Be sure though that you don't underestimate the importance of the role your guards play. They read the tempo of the game and decide when to run and who to get the ball to. I doubt they underestimate your importance in the team.

Just remember next time your crashing the offensive boards

One of your team mates is getting backcourt.

If you miss the rebound so what!!
If the guard misses backcourt
YOU GIVE UP A TRANSITION BASKET!

Basketball is a team sport geared around big men doing most of the rebounding /scoring. A good guard will understand the role each team mate plays.
The fact you can't see past your own position on the floor goes a long way in helping me explain why the centre, in my opinion isn't the most important player.

hope you reply

cbf replying.i made my point.u made yourse.mines correct yours isnt.

yes cheezeburger,and the point guards wouldnt be important would they? u say they set screens...the point guard is the one who has to set his man up, and make the screen actually work...its not like centres are the only person on the court who are allowed to set a screen...and i believe guards and forwards block shots too.

u may have made ur point, but its not one of your best. if u want to win a game in the dying seconds, who would u give the ball to? rees or maher? think about it...and your rebounding point, i believe maher gets around 6 boards a game, a fair effort for someone who isnt 'controlling the paint' as u put it.

nah if u want to win the game in the dying seconds what shot is safer.the big man shooting a j from the block or even closer or a 3 pointer.

because u see so many game winners from big guys down in the block as well dont you?

u didnt answer my question burger...maher or rees?? and u had nothing to say to anything else i said so looks like i won the battle of 'the centre is the most important player'.

is that so? what would happen if we didnt have brett maher? seriously...

feather did you understand the heading of the thread-The IMPORTANCE of the centre.im just stating the facts of what the centre does and what no ones else sees but the centre cause no player today wants to be a centre.

what would happen if u didnt have paul rees setting the screens to get maher open?????

yes...as already mentioned, the point guards would have to set up his man to make the screen actually work...anyway can set a screen!

im sure there are plenty of point guards out there who would love to be taller so they could go to work inside.

"im just stating the facts of what the centre does and what no ones else sees but the centre"...i think everyone knows what a centre does. its not that complicated

its not that complicated.PO.u must be a stuck pg or sg if u made that comment.

what is so complicated then? tell me what they do that only centres know?

reading the ball coming off the rim, defending other big men,shot blocking,reading the game a step ahead,boxing out etc....

so the point of this thread was...? just to tell people what centres do?

yeah because there the most under rated people in the game.and there a dying breed.

oh please. u cant be serious.

i am seriuos.ask any centre.or let me guess or your mates are hero sg's n dunkers,so u cant.

I can't agree with that -- there are loads of decent centres around in the NBA and NBL, plus a lot of newcomers.

Have a look at somewhere like NBADraft.net -- a good number of young centres coming through.

name the 'LOADS' of centres apart from okafor.

cause u cant agree with that. a dying breed...good call...not

Shaq, Ilgauskas, Amare, Dirk, Wallace, Miller, Yao, Mohammed, Okur, Brezec, etc.

In the NBL, Bradtke, Burgess, Calvary, Burston, Pepper, etc.

wait i second issac u said theres alot of good centres coming though from the 2004 draft?where are they apart from okafor.

yes isaac, we are all aware. maybe this cheezeburger person is the only one that doesnt

yes ok im being attack by a bunch of point guards n shooting guards.

well ur argument wasnt that great...

perhaps a bunch of shooting guards and point guards are baing attcaked by a cantre?

or if i could spell... "being and centre"

burger -- the 2005 list, at nbadraft.net -- did you even look at the site??

Taft, 6'10" PF/C
Andriuskevicius, 7'3" C
Bogut, 7' C
Petro, 7' C

Plus a number of PFs that could play C if required.

They're not a dying breed. Near-seven foot guys with some level of coordination have never been all that common.

This is the dumbest thread in a while.

I think left handed small forwards with great hook shots and red hair are the most important players on a team.

I think someone has missed the point of the team in "team game". Everyone plays their part.

Well said pegs - a good centre is just as important as a PG or SG - all five (and the subs) have to play together as a team. To say that any position is more important than another is crap

A good enough player will always stand out no matter what posi they play. Look at Jerry West, MJ and Kareem for example - 3 markedly different players but all invaluable to their team

that has been my point all along..the team game, hence, the guards needing to set thier man up to use the screen. cheezeburger is just a little messed up at the moment. im sure we will all forgive him just this once

leave my thread in peace.

cant wait for ur next one haha

dont worry ill be back

yes thats what im worried about..

burger, did you see last friday night's sixers game??? multiple times in the 4th quarter, rees went to set a screen for maher, only to be waved away, and then maher took the chump to school. good guards don't need screens, and if they do need one, im sure a well-built SF could get the job done.

get this.....yeah u to isaac
http://www.nba.com/hawks/news/Catching_Up_With_Moses_Malone_012005.html

moses malone talkimg about centres today............

MM: No one wants to take the banging anymore  they don't want that hard work. You got young kids that watch high school kids, the high schoolers watch the college kids, and they watch the pros. Everyone imitates what they see, and there just aren't many guys who want to do the work down there. A center has to do it all. He has to worry about the other center, the forwards, and the guards. The other positions can worry about just their man, but the center has to do all the dirty work.

thanks moses for backing me up

all the PG's and SG's were are you now. Well said moses. I think Moses Malone Knows more about the game of bball than any of us and he said it right there. so its end of convisation. Centers do the dirty work its not attractive ball to the average kid. It takes a great basketball mind to honor the centers game, obviously these guards dont know ball

All guard points come from fast breaks. Where does that start? with big man getting a elbow too the teeth but still being able to pull the board and getting a massive outlet pass. Big men have to lugg there 100 kilo plus frames from baseline to baseline whilst guards run from three point line to point line.

isaac, have a poll going-what positions do you play?.guarentee you 80 percent will be guards.theres many examples of former centres who have become guardsd because they hate the contact and cant bang in the paint

waa waa waa. everyone bow down to the big men, especially cheezeburger, cause they are all big tough men.

I think 80% of players will be guards/forwards too, because 4 out of the 5 positions on the floor are guards/forwards. Nice one cheezeburger, that's the most sensible thing you have said in a while.

I give up... :-)

The bulls won 6 championships using crap centres....

well doctor if u read cheezeburgers post then u will see he only talks about guards eg. pg, sg, so that makes your contribution worthless. Just read the moese malone interview and it says it all

well i dont care if my comments dont make sence to you. you just have to read between the lines to make sence of my posts

Sence = sense.

Cheezeburger's thread is titled 'importance of the Centre' as opposed to everyone else.

80% of players guards? In what league? Willy Wonka's Social League. Charlie and Willie to play centre on forward, with 80% oompa loompa's sharing the guard spots?

thedoctor what are you a doctor or an english teacher.think its the english techer

I am one of the Three Wise Men.

1- the doctor

2- Kareem Abdul Jabbar (best hook shot ever + best martial art fight scene ever)

3- Arnold Schwarzenegger - there is an Arnie quote to handle any situation

so the sixers are taking rees and cooper as centres into into this season.