They just Suck. Thats all to it.

I was at the game. Jingles sux. Heal sux. Holmes sucked. Grove sucked. Hendix sux.

Ebi should get the hummer imo. Easily the best player in the league atm.

How does one play for the MVP Title and one play for a Championship?

I think Jingles is a great player, no question about it. This kid has game. But don't you think he is overrated at times? Do you really think he is an NBA Prospect? He has some flaws in his game, that i have noticed over the past few weeks

Personally, I think people are forgetting the standard of the NBA. IMO, If J.Ingles can play NBA, then ALOT of other players in the NBL can too(Ballinger,Ere,Worthington,Hinson and Corey Williams)

No chanceIngles will play NBA. I doubt he should even be considered for Beijing. Sure, he is tall and long, but he isnt that quick. He couldn't contain CJ or Adam Gibson last night. Both of them beat him off the first step.

Also, In a game where no-one was making anything happen, how can an NBA-prospect/Boomer go for 5 points? Ridiculous.

no doubt the kid has got talent, however he is not NBA material and he should not make the Australian team for Beijing.

He needs to improve his defence and also his speed. No doubt thought there is a lot of potential and in time subject to how he responds he will make boomers team post olympics.

Re Ingles - he still needs development. Whereas Goorj tends to hold them back too long (eg Tovey, Barlow) maybe Ingles was given too much latitude too soon. Do you need to be the face of a club at only 20? Still needs guidance and lots of really good coaching. ????Heal???
Seems that so many Aussie basketball followers of late like to get stuck into the young guys - the U25's who are still developing their game - Ingles, Worthington, Barlow, Robbins, Loughton, Tragardh to name a few. They will all have bad games, make mistakes, just like the more experienced guys do. They also sometimes have great games which need to be acknowledged but not dwelt on.
I'm a Kings fan, but I admire all these young guys who are starring in our league. Barlow has just come back from his 2nd knee reco and he's having a great season - wish he was still a King. Everyone gave Kendall a year's grace when he came back!
Let's support rather than trash - that's all I'm trying to say!

Be interesting to see who stays and who goes at the Dragons. By all accounts they were absolutely TERRIBLE both games at the weekend. Radio commentators at Townsville sure weren't complimentary. Maybe 36ers might be able to lure Ingles back home?? Have heard a rumour that he's keen on the Tigers - quite a close friendship with one of the coaches there! Does anyone know if he's out of contract? Have been told that Martin HATES Heal, also hates Ingles so team spirit is obviously low. Time to dust off the cheque books maybe???

Anon #165243 - r u Jingles father??

I too think Joe Ingles is bad, he is an unco left hander that makes the game look ugly. I dont understand how he could ever be considered a NBA prospect. He had been handed a perfect opportunity from coach Heal to take over games seeing as though nothing else for the Dragons has'nt worked and he still cannot score double figures consistantly. Very, very average indeed

Does anyone know what sort of money Igles would be on from the Dragons??

You have got to be kidding me?

Ingles, aged all of 20 years, has scored in double figures in 17 of 21 games this season. He's averaging 16, 6 and 5 which is great considering he's in just his second year in the league.

He's playing less minutes than Brett Maher (as a quick statistical comparison to someone that people rate highly) and his stats are not dissimilar (beating him on the boards, in assists, steals and blocks, and is a couple of points per game off him in scoring).

He's easily leading the team in assists despite playing with Heal, Groves, Martin and Shanahan who should all be distributing.

"bad", "unco", "very, very average" - ridiculous.

The Dragons have major problems this year, but I don't think I'm being biased towards the SA components in saying that I doubt Ingles and Holmes are part of the problem.

Ingles and Holmes are the single shining lights of this season and I see them play a LOT. I don't follow enough of the NBA to know about whether Joe fits there (probably not) but he is sure as hell legitimate in this league. As for Jacob, jesus, the guy works his arse off non-stop. Both of them play as good a D as they can when NONE of their teammates (including the "Coach") help or even cope on their own.

The Dragons problems lie squarely on one persons head and it may be put on the block sooner rather than later.

The rumblings are beginning.

THIS from someone who watches ALL of their games. Not just a couple of shockers.

I think the conlcusion is that Ingles has a bright future in the NBL or in Europe, but will not have a career in the NBA.

i may have got a little carried away earlier when i really took to Jingles, i guess i just dont like his style all that much and i had a dig.
He plays some solid ball for the NBl but he can never be considered for the NBA...never ever ever!!
I believe when Cortez gets it going he is the best player in the NBL to watch...