Junior State Champs

State

U12 Boys

1st Sturt, 2nd Southern, 3rd Woodville and 4th Norwood.

Southern had to play Sturt twice making it harder for them to finish second and they beat Woodville in their matchup and Norwood beat Eastern in the rounds.

U12 Girls

1st Woodville, 2nd North, 3rd Forestville and 4th Sturt.

Sturt had to play Forestviile twice, as well as beating Norwood in their match up. West beat a depleted Woodville and drew with Sturt. 4t spot will be tightly contested, but Norwood should be in the same pool as Woodville and Forestville so will find it tough.

14 Boys

1st Sturt, 2nd Southern, 3rd North and 4th Norwood.

North could be a spoioler here in the semi's. And I gave Norwood the 4th spot due to their head to head win over Woodville

14 Girls

1st Forestville, 2nd Sturt, 3rd North and 4th Woodville.

Top 3 are clearly our Nationals teams, doubt that Sturt will beat Forestville again, but if the hodo goes that way, the gorilla might be King Kong.

16 Boys

1st Norwood, 2nd Eastern, 3rd Sturt and 4th West.

Wouldn't want to be playing West Zone and 3 point shooters in the semi, but would say that the Eastern Norwood matchup is the closest.

16 Girls

1st Sturt, 2nd Norwood, 3rd Eastern and 4th Forestville.

In recent weeks, Forestville have lost to a full strength Norwood and Sturt. Norwood pushed Eastern without their star point guard. The upset, some might say, of the week but results suggest this possible outcome.

18 Boys

1st Sturt, 2nd West, 3rd Forestville and 4th North.

Not much different from 2 years ago, West Forestville and North all have a chance, but only a chance.

18 Girls

1st, Forestville, 2nd Sturt, 3rd North and 4th Norwood.

Sturt had to play Forestville twice and this weeks match up with North will tell a lot. Norwood should move in front of Southern who will be missing their best player for the year. Forestville have lost their point guard to the AIS, she might be back, but even if she isn't, they still should win.

20 Men

1st Forestville, 2nd Sturt, 3rd South and 4th Norwood,

Forestville have seemed to take it too Sturt in the age group over the last couple of years. Will be interesting to see if they can win it this year. Norwood and North will be fighting ove rhte l4th spot.

20 Women

1st North, 2nd Sturt, 3rd Norwood, and 4th West

Sturt have the most potential to come back into their group, which is always the way in 20 women at State Champs for teams. Romeo to slot into Norwood as well. As always, this age group could decide the winner for Overall Girls Club.

Overall

Boys: Sturt 20, Forestville 7, Norwood 6, Southern 6

Girls: Sturt 15, Forestville 13, North 11, Norwood 6, Woodville 6

Overall: Sturt 35, Forestville 20, North 14, Norwood 12

Reserve

12 Boys

1st Sturt, 2nd Norwood, 3rd Woodville and 4th North.

Only a country team to disrupt this order. Interesting what happens with Sturts second team knocking somebody out of position.

12 Girls

1st Sturt, 2nd Forestville, 3rd North and 4th Southern.

If Forestville combine their teams, this result could go the other way. Time will tell. A country team could also change this group.

14 Boys

1st Sturt, 2nd TV, 3rd Forestville and 4th Norwood.

Again, consider a country team to come in and shake things up. Norwood could finish outside of the 4 and get the points.

14 Girls

1st Sturt, 2nd Forestville, 3rd North and 4th Southern

2 x Forestville, 2 x Sturt and 2 x North make this a tough decision for 4th spot. Without knowing if a country team is coming Southern get the nod.

16 Boys

1st Sturt, 2nd TV, 3rd Forestville and 4th North.

Only question here is will the coach shake hands.

16 Girls

1st Norwood, 2nd Forestville, 3rd Sturt and 4th North

Will Sturt or Forestville combine teams to win at all cost. Probably one of the closest top 3's.

18 Boys

1st Sturt, 2nd West, 3rd North and 4th Norwood.

The semi between West and North will be tight. I choseWest purely because they finished higher on the table. That could all change this week.

18 Girls

1st Sturt, 2nd Norwood, 3rd North and 4th Southern.

4th spot up for grabs.

20 Men

1st North, 2nd Norwood, 3rd Forestville and 4th Southern.

Always some upsets here so hard to predict.

20 Women

1st North, 2nd West, 3rd South and 4th Forestville.

Who out of North and West will put their bets 10 together to win. Spots 3 and 4 could be a raffle depending on what they do.

Reserve Overall

Boys: Sturt 20, Norwood 10, North 9, Forestville 5

Girls: Sturt 17, North 12, Forestville 11, Norwood 9.

Overall: Sturt 37 North 21, Norwood 19, Forestville 16.

Big difference is that country teams, (ie Limestone coast) could have a large bearing here.

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FWIW - I disagree with Norwood over Eastern in U12 boys state, I think North > Southern in U14 boys state and Forestvile to make to 4 in U18 reserves (beat North by 20 on Friday & will be in a pool with them & Sturt).

Apart from that, probably about right. Limestone the wildcard in younger reserves grades.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Norwood for the 16 boys ? No offense but they did struggle against some Vic teams in the Elth / Dandy tournament. Were they at full strength ? Did they have a bd weekend ?

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Hood 82  
Years ago

that team is head and shoulders above the next best, IMO. I saw them dis-member sturt by double digit's (and that sturt team is the 2nd best team in that comp).

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Toot  
Years ago

Not sure if they were at full strength or not - but Norwood and Eastern are clearly the best two teams in that age group currently. The results indicate they are both double digits better than any other teams.

Between Norwood and Eastern though is a coin flip for mine. Both very talented - I'd probably give the slight edge to Eastern if I had to pick one.

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Panther  
Years ago

I'd put my money on the Panthers to win the under 20's Men!

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Hoop Addict  
Years ago

I'd take action on that Panther. Hell, I'd even give you odds.

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Dandyman  
Years ago

Toot

Don,t get too comfy with norwood , eastern in 16 boys, we played blues at eltham and having seen them whilst in adelaide in nov 07 and seen them at dandy tourny they were chalk and cheese. If they play at that cheese level as they were over here you may be surprised. Having said that though I know that one of the kids who played country is out for 3 months with a busted finger.

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forestville for girls state - not sturt and norwood as a smoky for a trophy - do underestimate norwood's strength

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Get on Board  
Years ago

Under 14 Girls

Southern will challenge for top 3 spot.

Beat North two weeks ago and matched Sturt on Friday for 3 quarters until better players were fouled out.

This should be a very even States.

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face in the crowd  
Years ago

norwood for girls reserves for sure

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Your dreaming  
Years ago

Get on board, you are dreaming. Southern beat North after they came back from Melbourne and like many teams that went over there were very flat the following week. Perhaps teach your players to play Defence and then your 'better' players won't foul out. How typical of Southern, talking it up before anything has been proven. Wasn't the margin 30 points? that is a huge last quarter to Sturt?

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Groupings??  
Years ago

Anyone got the seedings?

Is it 1,3,6 and 2,4,5

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Hoop Addict  
Years ago

AFAIK it's:

A - 1, 3, 6, 8, 9, 11
B - 2, 4, 5, 7, 10, 12

This *should* produce 1 v 4 & 2 v 3 semis (or at least provides the opportunity for it).

One thing that needs to be fixed is that in 9 & 11 team comps, the #1 seeded team ends up having to play an extra game over the #2 seed, which, IMO, should be fixed, so the lowest seed is always in pool B.

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give it time  
Years ago

A - 1, 3, 6, 8, 9, 11
B - 2, 4, 5, 7, 10, 12

is that taken from when ?

pre summer finals ie after last minor round?

after summer finals?

or christmas?

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Hoop Addict  
Years ago

It's taken after 1 full round of summer season(IE - after everyone has played one another once).

For div 1 comps, that's usually round 9 (IE - the Xmas break). For div 2 comps, that's usually round 11 (IE - final season table).

So if you're keen to know your state champs pool, write it down now, before the summer season ladders get wiped from Sportingpulse in a few weeks.

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Panther  
Years ago

What odds are you offering Hoop Addict??? Do you want to make the bet now or after the summer finals???

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Hoop Addict  
Years ago

I'm happy to do it now.

3/1. I'll put up $75 which I'll pay if South Adelaide win, you put up $25, which you'll pay if anyone else wins.

I've seen you at the casino enough to know you like to gamble. :).

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Get on Board  
Years ago

Your Dreaming.

Is that you Jason?

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Panther  
Years ago

Done i'll take that bet, fantastic odds and it's definitely better than the two to one the casino give me on roulette tables!!!

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Hoop Addict  
Years ago

Done & done. Good luck.

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me3  
Years ago

I dont know how they work these rankings .

Is it what pool they are in ?in Div 2 if you finish 5th where do you sit in the rankings?

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SabreToothTiger  
Years ago

Hows this fopr an ineteresting tid bit:
The last two clubs that won under 12 boys in the Victorian Junior Championships in Werribee (2006) and Bulleen (2007) have not yet qualified for the Victorian Championships that start next week at this age group. In fact one of the past two champions will miss out as they play off against each for one of the final places! That's huge!

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Melvin Corpuscle  
Years ago

What's the opposite of interesting ?
oh, the post above ...

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Hoop Addict  
Years ago

I don't quite know what you're asking me3, but if you're 5th at the time they take the seedings (in div 2, usually the final regular season standings for summer) then I believe you will be in a pool with seeds 2, 4, 7, 10, 12. So whoever was in those position at the time the seedings get taken, they will be in your pool.

Melvin, that is actually quite an interesting & surprising fact for some.

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Fat Chance  
Years ago

Girls 16 1's, Forestville finishing 4th?

After those girls won the winter & summer comps I think your dreaming!

Eagles top 1 or 2 at the very least in this age group.

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Fat Chance,
You've won the winter comp already?
Wow - I guess we'd better spread the word to the other teams not to bother to show up for round 1 tonight!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

With the amount of country kids they keep recruiting, shouldn't forestville be zoned country and adelaide kids issued permits to play.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

175580:

No - the metro kids have to start putting in the effort required to prove they deserve a spot, rather than expecting a spot based on their geographical location.

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Try harder  
Years ago

I think the Metro kids do put in the hard yards, I have seen country kids walk into clubs and everyone else gets pushed down. The country kids expect to play Div 1 and stuff everyone ese, they think they are special, they are not, most of them are "Fly by niters" and they will eventually choose footy over basketball. How about the country kids put in the hard yards and start at Div 2 and prove themselves to everyone else first.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

It's the coaches who put them in Div 1. Don't take it out on the kids, think about who makes the decisions.

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And they don't have to prove themselves to everyone - just the coach!

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Try harder  
Years ago

Perhaps - lo and behold.,.can I actually say it - the coach's perspective is a tainted one...I get the feeling that there is a competition going on between some of the clubs about who can get the most country kids in their Div 1 sides and it is nothing but chest beating between clubs and Coaches and if you think my view is tainted... it comes up all the time as a grievance on Hoops....

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Ha! By "tainted" I assume you mean "The coach can't see that my kid is the best basketballer ever".

But you're right - every coach I know places more importance on "How many country players do I have" over "How can I give this team the best chance to win".... Pfft.

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Try harder  
Years ago

For the record and to answer your statement - I do not look at my kids thru rose coloured glasses. I do not have any kids in Div 1 and am not likely to for some time, if ever, my kids play because they love the game, plain and simple.

I do however see what goes on and I am disappointed for the kids that it affects within our Club and others.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Forestville has state country coaches, coaching district teams and they choose country players for those teams, or players who are on the verge of selection over the ample local talent already at that club or so its perceived.That perception extends to the belief that some country kids get a gig above better metro kids based on whether the country coaches want them for state or not.
The much stated development policy of clubs like sturt and eagles has to be challenged when they place the number of country kids they do in teams.
It would be much less of a problem if country areas were zoned and the number of country players per team capped.
While metro and country run separate programs at the nationals its important that both country and metro kids have the chance to develop equally and stacking teams with too many country kids deprives metro development.One critic said that they're all SA kids and he/she is right except that one group is being advantaged over the other.
I'm all for country kids playing district but I'm also think they need to realise blocks of kids playing for one team has a down side.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

While metro and country run separate programs at the nationals its important that both country and metro kids have the chance to develop equally

I agree. But your way of doing this is to "cap" the number of country players! How is this equal?

they choose country players for those teams, or players who are on the verge of selection over the ample local talent already at that club or so its perceived.

As they should, if they are better players than the "ample local talent".

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Anonymous  
Years ago

You really should be placing the blame on your clubs then, not the 'pawns' in the players.

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SS  
Years ago

If you are disappointed in your club, then you are allowed to move. Please do so.

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Try harder  
Years ago

SS - Great advice - lets not deal with the issues - lets just move on and hope that no-one else notices the real issues and if they do they say nothing. Like tin soldiers with no brains. The reason for this forum is to debate, to air issues, to agree to disagree, but always there is classic advice from people like to you to move on or stop having a sook or whatever the case may be. Problem is this issue is not limited to one Club, the problem does need addressing whether that be by BSA or Club Committees because the bad feeling will continue.

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SS  
Years ago

If you don't like the phone service you are getting, switch carriers. If you don't like the food you are being served, frequent a different resturant. If you don't like the car you drive, sell it and buy a different one. Or feel free to go to all these service providers and ask them to change their service method and see how far you get. If you don't like the service your club is providing, move clubs, but don't expect clubs to change their delivery methods because it doesn't suit your personal preferance. If you want change this forum is not going to provide it in any shape or form.

So get on your club committee and limit the number of country players in your club, or move to a club that doesn't have country kids. BSA have no control over it and neither they should, if you stop kids from playing it would become a national outcry.

IMHO an adult who has a go at kids playing a sport because of geographical location, without having the guts to put their name to it is nothing but a weak sook. That is my opinion.

If you really want to debate, have the guts to put your name to it, or go to your club and ask them to change and have the balls to move if they don't want to listen.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

R u in the phone book sssssoook

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Its a legitimate topic to raise the number of country players playing in district teams.
If each club was restricted to two per team there would not be an issue. Country players inevitably are recruited to already successful teams and in numbers that deprive existing players of spots.
The perception is that some kids do get shafted to accommodate country players who are not at the level of current players because they are earmarked for country state. Raising this is not a criticism of the country players but of the coaches and club structures that allow it.
Forestville and sturt will quite rightly boast the ability to field 2 div 1 teams in several age groups especially in the girls yet the metro kids inevitably end up in the div 2 which would be their second div 1 if they had one. This is not a coincidence and causes concern and raises issues with country coaches coaching in district when they have split loyalties.
Clubs seem unconcerned with fairness , only success and stacking teams with country kids gives them that, so approaching the committee is a fruitless exercise.
Parents are rarely given enough information about basketball and structures to ever make informed decisions, consequently when they finally twig, their kids are bound to the club by friendships more than anything else.
Basketball is a small tightly controlled sport in which to question or criticise ends kids prospects in whatever form that might be. I know parents who are tough, business savvy successes but who are mute sheep on SASI/state and club because to make waves sinks chances.
BSA needs to have some direction , openness and make some hard decisions before basketball loses even more of its junior supporter base. The more open criticism the better as any sport worth its salts should be able to withstand close scrutiny.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Sooooooooooooook.

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MetroParent  
Years ago

The one thing we all have to remember in this debate is that if there really was a better kid, be them metro or coutry, dont you think the coach would pick them?

It no good a coach stacking his team with country kids, only to see the team get spanked every time they hit the court.

You stack your team with the best cattle around.

If that happens to be a mix of country and metro, so be it.

The team my child plays in has almost as many country kids as metro kids.

The cold hard fact is I cant name one kid from div 2 that would come close to replacing any of the div 1 kids, country or metro.

Another point; how the hell can you restrict teams from playing more than 2 country kids?

People this is Australia 2008, not Moscow 1968!

Every kid in SA should have the opportunity of making a div 1 team.

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MetroParent  
Years ago

It's all over already?(#175543)Dosnt your brain have the capacity to go back to the last winter season.

Try a little oil in your ear; the cogs just might start turning.

Looking to far ahead, without remembering to look behind you eh!

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After those girls won the winter & summer comps I think your dreaming

Those girls didn't win the winter comp - a different team did. Some members may still be there, but about half of that team are now playing U18s, as are most of the players they played against. So whilst I remember it, I don't see it's relevance for this years state champs other than for blatant woofing purposes.

Ahhh Forestville, gotta love the arrogance.

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Not as arrogant as Sturt though! Funny did not see the Stats who would win State Champs after the GF results. Did I miss them?

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MetroParent  
Years ago

(#176160)Sorry, silly me.

So having half of the "winter season squad" from the season before winning this years summer season GF obviously does not count.

Yeah..... nice try!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

16 boys state

Norwood
Sturt
Eastern
Forestville
South
North
Southern
>West<
Centrals
Woodville

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Afroman Jnr  
Years ago

west in under 16's have dropped completely since losing one of there two best players to footy.

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Mr ZZZ  
Years ago

Under/16 Boy's State

Eastern
Norwood
South
Sturt
Forestville
Southern
North
Centrals
West
Woodville

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Anonymous  
Years ago

MR zzzz
ur an idiot, south will not be ahead of sturt
they could become close to forestville and north but not top 3

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Hoop Addict  
Years ago

*Bumping*

re: Junior State Champs (#173084 | Grrr!)
Done i'll take that bet, fantastic odds and it's definitely better than the two to one the casino give me on roulette tables!!!


Good luck JB!

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Good Comp  
Years ago

Mr zzz

South lost to West last night.

Need to rework your predictions.

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legend  
Years ago

Gee where's Southern Cuzin he was pumping the South boys up,when they were playing the bottom teams. The top 3 are even injuries might make the difference.At least the comp looks pretty even, good luck to all.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

what does "*bumping*" mean?

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legend  
Years ago

are you dyslexic I wrote pumping if you were aksing

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Isaac  
Years ago

"Bumping" (in Hoop Addict's post, Legend, not from yours) is basically forum-talk for "replying to a topic so that it goes back to the top of the Latest Action list and gets new attention".

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Isaac - makes sense, cheers
legend - relax pal, it's not all about you

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Anonymous  
Years ago

haha so much for south being better than sturt they can even beat west

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Andrew Demetriou  
Years ago

In U16 Boys; Norwood, Sturt and Eastern should have their own comp as nobody has got anywhere near them over the last few years.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

so why not let just those three play and save all the other teams the bother

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If the state champ's program was skewed towards fairness more people would take an interest. Check out which teams dont play a double header, check which teams get a home court first game, check out which teams get two home courts and then try and work out some of the ref choices.
Sturt, Forestvile and Norwood seem to get it easy, how about it 'stats' man , check it out?

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';'  
Years ago

How about you stop your bloody sooking and get your club to work harder!! boo hoo

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madg  
Years ago

14 girls Forestville beat sturt
14 boys sturt beat southern

16 boys Norwood beat sturt
16 girls Sturt beat norwood

18 boys Sturt beat west

these are all state results of the grand finals

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Anonymous  
Years ago

looking back at the original predictions, they are a lot closer than what most other people predicted

as for 16 boys state:
good win by norwood today
Eastern should beat west for 3rd

In terms of the winter district comp, I think it will end like this

Norwood
Sturt
Eastern
Forestville
South
West
North
Centrals
Southern
Woodville

the top 3 are clearly better than the rest, but from 4-10 is wide open... as we've seen this weekend, west suprisingly beat both north and south, south beat north after losing to them a few weeks back, and forestville also lost to centrals... Southern also challenged the teams in their pool while.. Whenever anyone from positions 4-10 meet in the winter, it should produce a fairly even game...

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