This is the game that will show where we are at.

Perth are hard nosed and always seem to bring the grunt against the sixers.

Would be a great game to see live, that is for sure.

Will definetly have some dosh on this game. Especially if the 36ers are paying around the $2.50 mark, which I expect they would be.

We win this game and suddenly we become a target for every other team.

Strangley, I feel more confident about us getting the win this week than I do against the Blaze next week.

Still no Rogers for Perth, can see them struggling with the bigs, and we have JJJUUULIUSSSSSS.

Couple of people here in the west are very nervous bout the game and Sat, but they are very hard to beat at home.

Its been 3 years since i saw the 36ers win "live" and i have had to walk out of challenge stadium crushed too many times.

this is the one...cmon boys

I wonder how many fans we will have there on Saturday

me+2 ...anymore?

"Still no Rogers for Perth, can see them struggling with the bigs"

Definitely, as Isaac said, last time we played them Schensch was on fire - that was the game where he had 33 and 20. Hopefully we get another massive return like that + big contributions from Big Balls and Family Jules.

me ill be there havin a few bevvy's suited up in me jersey. Ill be the one to let that bald headed mooron they call a supporter whos winning bye the end of the game he will be at julius all game with his pissy taunts btw 40 bucks a bloody ticket is steep

wa sixer boi

$55 a ticket is even worse, ill be in the white singlet with Brett on the back..youll hear the whistle

ill be in the old blue champion jersey from a few years ago did you get premium tickets

Aren't the Wildcats just a bunch of kids anyway? They seem to be spending a heap of money on advertising lately.

brad hil is due a good game on his form of one good game one bad one. if we can keep playing defence the way we have the last 3 games and keep them under 100 we should get the win. were starting to gel now and playing with confdence, very important game to get us right in the playoff mix.

the cats are a reasonable side, and havent noticed the advertising?

did i miss something... why did skips post get a ball?

wait a minute...am i showing my age?..is it high school musical or something?

Correct. Might be showing taste rather than age...

Remember the NBL getting involved in some promotion last season? Ugh!

I'll be there in red!! Making plenty of noise getting amongst the BEST crowd in the NBL by far!!! match ups will be great Hodge v PC, Redhage v Ballinger, Bruce v Hinson and Kendall, we have no answer to the big man Schensch but depth i belive is on our side.

Yes we have struggled! And yes the sixers looked good on fox, but the Jungle is the jungle and I would expect the cats to get up in game that could provide many highlights!! Especially from J Hodge who loves to play up to a crowd that loves their ball!!!

I'll be making the trip west and am really looking forward to it. Should be a big one with Adelaide on a roll and the Cats with their back to the wall after being embarrased by GC.

"get your head in the game"

NBL site has tipped Wildcats by 8 in this one, and after reading the preview, i dont really see how they have come to this conclusion! The last sentence about being fired up for their fans is a cop out. Im thinking Adelaide will win this by 10+ due to defense alone! Refs wont even be able to screw us enough compared to the immense talent pool in the 6ers lineup!

This one will go down to the wire , Adelaide is beaming with confidence at moment but as other posters stated the cats are hard to beat at home. I expect Luke to dominate for us , as he is now finding his feet in this league and the boys are giving him the pill more regulary . Balls cannot afford to have an off nite and must be up for the challenge on Redhage which will be the telling factor on the overall result.

Who needs a South v. Tigers rivalry when you have the Classic Sixers v. Wildcats.

Would be nice to start seeing both teams in the finals again; you know both teams go off whenever they play one another.

Whilst the Adelaide fans are great at lifting the players, I hope the lack of them on the road won't have too much of an influence. Its good for the team to be appreciative of the support they get at home but they have to be able to go it alone on the road and play just as well without them. Based on talent, the 36ers will get the win. If the crowd makes a huge difference, then they will struggle.

We should take Perth on form and the fact we have balls and hodge, maher will probably get targeted for some big hits, they seem to always try to hurt him. We have two may players playing well i think but it will be tough, redhage always tears us up so stop him game over.

Herka,

I am guessing you havent been to the Dome, because the Perth crowd (whilst excellent) do not match the 36ers fans.

The cats MC does a good job of revving up, but the crowd noise is far more impressive coming from 6000-8000 36ers fans compared to 3000-4000 cats fans.

Also (as you will hear on Sat night), the cats fans go very very quiet on defence or when they are under pressure. Due to the geography, the fans here in the west dont understand opposition fans...thats why we have been threatened with ejection from the stadium..just for supporting the opposition.

Anyway...im hoping for a fantastic game Sat night with some good fun and banter. (and a 1 point OT win to the 36ers)

How many would attend this game. What kinda crowd numbers do they get there.

Aw, you were sending at the same time as I was, me.

Don't get ejected, me. Look forward to your game reports.

A Christmas present from DD to Hoops poster me. Mate, do yourself a favour & hook up with The Customer & Dunk'n Dan through OzHoops' PM facility. Both local 'Cat fans that love the game & are gut busting fun. Isaac should vouch for this, The Customer's a real character & probably the quickest wit going around. I've met Dunk'n Dan & he's quality. I'm in mail contact with The Customer, but unfortunately we've never had to the chance to catch up. Hellcat might be worth a try too. He's another OzHo quality poster, but haven't heard much of him lately.
Enjoy.

me, you can't get ejected just for supporting the visiting team. Speak the truth and tell us what you really get up to to get ejected. Anyway, hang in there because the 36ers need all the support they can get. The last game I watched in Perth was a few days after Christmas in 2004 I think. Adelaide got the win.

Anyone know if there is Radio for this game? Ive searched around but found nothing.

not long now, looking forward to this one,
a win here will set us up for the remainder of the season

to listen to the game

http://www.sportfm.com.au/listen-live/

Skip,

Try this link:

http://www.sportfm.com.au/

They are talking about the game now.

lol there getting owned

2 early fouls on Luke and Cooper has to guard Victor...

Hill blocked twice in two minutes.

see why i hate brad hill 0/3 in 2 mins game time he is a joke and a walking ball hogg oh yeah and he got blocked twice

Perth usually come firing out of the blocks. I remember them leading by about 14 in the first quarter against NZ recently... and then losing the game by almost 20. So the early lead for them isn't such a big deal this early in the game.

well Brad has also thrown an assist to Adam, so he cannot be that much of a ball hogggg

perth 49 6ers 38

perth 52 6ers 40. victor must the most underrated player in the league

perth 60 adelaide 49 HT

wildcats getting it done with hard work, beating us on the boards and defence.

who is guarding Redhage? how hot is he !

Mahersy has brought us back both times now.

Maher stepping up by the sound of it. 73 all. Bring it.

What was Mahers tech on. Sixers seem to be getting a lot of offensive fouls.

Pulled it back that quarter. 73-75, should be able to overrun them IMO.

Huge Last quarter. both teams are very deep, so that shouldnt play a big factor

Tech foul?

Another tech wtf?

Erik Watterson is doing a great job calling the game. Very balance which is surprising given his Wildcat history. I'm impressed.

It's a shame he not calling the NBL on Fox. I would have put my fist through my laptop screen if I had to listen to only Jason Dallito and the Wildcats CEO all game.

C'mon sixers, don't throw it away.

Cooper 1 shot 1 rebound Grrr Oh Good ...Luke back on and scores...Phew

Hasn't Winitana been a great asset for us!

Keep pounding it inside to Schench.

Coops has played his role from what I can tell from the radio call, has basically nullified Victor.

We are currently up by 3, 87-90.

3mins to go

its gonna be a nailbiter

Anyone know if Brett's injured?

Strange to see him on the bench with 3 mins left when Bruce is 1 for 7 and Jake 2 for 8!

live stats has been stopped at that score for a while now grrrrrrrrrr

Are the Wildcats tiring? or am I being overly optimistic. Sixers are up by 6 with about two minutes left.

The callers of the game love Big Luke. It must be a Perth thing, they love big redheads called Luc (or Luke).

Man this is just like the Sixer v Wildcat games of old.

http://www.sportfm.com.au/listen-live/ to listen to it live

Sixers up by 2 with just over a minute left.

Maher is back in the game. Sixers up by 1 with 50 seconds left.

Absolute arm wrestle. Hang tough guys

42 seconds to go, sixers 95 - wildcats 94. Sixers have possession, time out called.

15 seconds sixers up by 1 with the ball and just a time out.

15 seconds left, Sixers still up by a point, sixers call time out after ball goes out of bounds. Cats possession

36ers possesion


no cats

Maher at the foul line Sixers up by 1. Maher missed the first foul shot :( makes the second Sixers up by 2 with 12 seconds left in the game

maher fouled straight to the stripe

maher misses the first........

made 2nd

2pts up 13 secounds to go :0

Sixers go to the foul line, up by 1, Maher makes 1/2. Now up by 2. Wildcats time out. Cats go to foul line if they are fouled by sixers Redhege has fouled out. 15 seconds left.

5 seconds to go sixers call time out all tied up :( Looks like its going to Over time!

game tied 4.5 secs to go arrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhh

all tied up. 5secs left

Scores tied, 4 seconds left, our ball. If it goes to OT they're without Redhage who has 6 fouls. We're in a pretty good position here, let's see if Hodge can earn his paycheck.

PC steals it out of bounds
OVER TIME

overitme. just like old times

PC is on 5 and one of the others as well

Disappointing Maher only went 1 from 2 at the line with 14 seconds left, we could be celebrating a win right now.

massive few minutes now......


real test of character

Whew good to be able to follow it on here.. fiba is all over the place.. 3min to go 9min to go.. Hodge 6fouls on box score..

Boy, the sixers are struggling to finish off these tight games. Up by 6 with 2 minutes and it goes into overtime. Do they freeze under pressure? I guess the next 5 minutes will tell.

Hinson hits a 3 in OT :(

BIG 3 HINSON :(

2 free throws to come for loughton after offensive from luke

Cats up by 2, Bruce only sixer in foul trouble. 3.36 left

balls 2pt 100 - 98

Offensive and free throws?

massive 3 from kendal followed by the reply from captain clutch

Maher hits a 3, back to 3.

yep trying to work that out as well squid

The Sixers were doing so good with Bruce not playing the last 3 minutes then this game the coaches throw that all out the door and leaves him on..... Why change a good thing??!!

Sixers down by 5 with 2 minutes to go.

4pts down 2 mins to go

huge missed opportunity by maher

loughton at the line for 2

1 minute 35 seconds to go Cats 106 - Sixers 101. Sixers possession

106-101

Game tied 43 seconds

108-108 with 37secs

You clown KJ. The commentators couldn't stop talking about how good Bruce had been in the 2nd half....

Bruce domination, COME ON!!!!!

double overtime

Aaron Bruce has come up CLUTCH!!

Double oT 110-110

massive play from bruce, steal and big 3

Well there you go....

Double OT!

Into double OT, we're down 5 points with 40 seconds left and looking down the barrel before Bruce hits a big three, Hodge dunks then Bruce gets a driving 2 to haul back a big deficit in the final minute, wish I was watching this!

Bruce was brilliant by the sound of things. Great substitution. Need to foul Crawford out of the game

missed the steal from bruce for the dunk to hodge :)

"You clown KJ. The commentators couldn't stop talking about how good Bruce had been in the 2nd half...."

He was 1-8 in the first 4 quarters of the game! The Sixers have been doing extremely well in the last 3 minutes of closing games recently! Why change that. He did excellent in that last session of the first over time I just think the coaches should have had him out when they were up by 6 with 2 minutes to go in the 4th quarter

Wildcats CEO loves Stephen Weigh, can't stop talking about Weigh hitting a three and having plays drawn up for him.

Hodge has 5 fouls after unsportsman like

unsportsman on hodge, hodge on 5 fouls now

critical time now,

perth up by 4 in a flash

Balls BIG 3

2pts down

118 -113 Wildcats lead. Two min left

KJ, maybe stop going by stats all the time, mmkay?

118 -116. 2.22 min left

120-116

1.40. Cats ball. 120-116

lead of 7 1:30 to go, feel its all over now,

Luke Kendall v Aaron Bruce.

gameover down by seven

LUke Kendall is clutch.

Luke Schenscher is not.

Luke kendall coming up big. thats why the cats recurited him.

pooor timing by hodge on the unsportmanlike

hodge out of the game

123 - 116. Charge foul on hodge (fouled out)

50 seconds left. Cats 125 - Adelaide 120

What a game. game of the year. game of the last 5 years.

as the commentator said, this is a MASSIVE postive promotion of the the NBL.

Pity it wasnt on FOX or FTA

would have made for a great specticle

I think we're done, valiant effort though, hate to harp but had Maher hit both his shots at the end of regulation we probably wouldn't have gone to OT.

Loughton needs to hit these 2 and this game is over

7 point lead to cats after cats hit 2 foul shoots. 10 seconds left. Crawford fouled by Holmes. Shooting 2

man typical Adelaide team... besides Port, every Adelaide team can't win under pressure.

Cats win 129 - 120 double O/T

What a luxtuary for the wildcats to have guys like kendall, victor and when rogers returns coming off the bench. when rogers returns the depth chart will be very good

unfortunately it just shows our inability to win tight must win games and probably shows us where we are really at.

even with double OT to give up 129 is a poor defensive effort

Humpa you must be joking. Port are chokers when they even look like being cometitive.

Sixers showed great character tonight. Need to keep it up and get some wins away while obviously winiing at home.

Port haven't lost a finals game where they are favourites to win since 2004. Hell they win games they need to win (last year they tanked, every1 knows that).

Crows, 36ers, United... they choke everything

Oh FFS....it was a great effort.....bad luck at the end

is this a bball forum or a footy forum

i'm just saying adelaide teams besides port in all sports choke big games and suck under pressure.

the 36ers join them.

F..ck off wanker

dont remember too many adelaide teams besides port choking in a grand final. biggest game of all

What a great game.

Boy, how valuable has Bruce become since Davidson has been injured. Hodges's presence has taken a lot of pressure off him. He seems to be turning the ball over less (need to look at his stats) and showing more confidence on offense.

Schensher's name wasn't mentioned too often in the double overtime period, thought they would have gone inside more after Redhege fouled out.

Who was guarding Loughton and Kendell during both O/T's?

totally forgot about the game, sad to see we went down but it was a hell of a read as you move down the thread, great updates from everyone. Cant believe brett missed the free throw, he is the ice man though he has missed a few of late. As someone said shame it was not on TV sounds like it was fantastic, i only hope it does not take too much out of the guys.

Humpa you bogan idiot. Port have the biggest 'choker' reputation in the AFL (in SA and nationwide) whether you agree with it or not. Whether it be losing 40pt leads in a fourth quarter (see Bribane, Carlton) or choking grand finals by 119. Port can't handle a bit of pressure.

And don't write off a bad season by saying you tanked, that's just sad (and arguably, even worse than just being a shitty team).

Kendall had 7 points in that last overtime. he had 5 points in a row to stretch the margin to 7 and pretty muh ice it. he has had two descent games in a row now.hopefully for us(cats) he is starting to find his role now. once rogy returns, we'll have more size up front.

The 'Cats were on fire & shooting at a ridiculous clip in the 1st half, but we hung in there. As one of the commentators said, we then held them to 27 for the last 22 mins of regulation, which showed plenty of grit.
OK, we dropped the game, but double OT games don't come around too often, & the 'Cats seemed to find a ways to jump us early. We reeled them in several times, but they pulled out some massive plays & played smart. The 9 point final deficit deflects from the overall closeness of the battle.
Great game & thanks go to grindog for cluing me up on the radio stream.

Piss off with this Port v Crows crap, please. Not the thread for it....

He started it :P

Perth would be better without Rogers I think.

The Sixers had struggled all season long finishing off games until the Hawks and Tigers game. In these two games the coaching staff made a direct strategic ploy to sub Bruce off in the last 3 to 4 minutes. This is because Bruce's offence and general game play at the end of games is erratic. Also lets face it his main purpose at the end of games is to give the ball to Hodge and Maher and not do much else.

However, this game ON THE ROAD, with Bruce shooting 1-8, they decided to go with him (adding to that he had played the whole quarter to that stage so he would have been tired). He didn't contribute in those last 3 minutes. If he isn't required to be a focal point in the offence in the last few minutes there is really no point him being out there at that time (If he was a defensive specialist then it would be a different story).

I am not blaming him for the loss as he had a decent game (I think his direct opponents Hinson and or Kendall had a better game). Also If Maher had made that foul shot then we could have probably won it then. However I am wondering WHY the coaching staff would change something that seemed to be a correctly proven strategy!

It would have been an amazing game to be at and we did so well to come back in the game however it is disappointing that we ended up losing after getting into such a good position (up by 6 with 2 minutes to go).

Does anyone have a working link for the box scores?

http://nbl.com.au/site/_content/document/00006264-source.mht

^doesn't seem to be working

Try:

http://www.fibalivestats.com/matches/1329/00/42/35/76OkRv2jbmg/

What a game! Two super sides with super players! I agree with "if only" it was shown on telly so 36ers supporters got to witness the basketball that was on tonight! If anyone ever said that basketball was dead in this country you would only need to see this game to prove that it was not! Was very physical contest! And cannot wait for the sides to meet again!

Ever stopped to think that if this game went to double OT, then Maher had already exhausted the number of minutes he is allowed to play. Its really annoying that Ninnis could not deviate from that and give him a couple more minutes in the end simply because this game depended on it and to hell with the consequence. The need was there for Maher to be on and yet Bruce was there in his place. We have lost games with Bruce in the end, we have won them with Maher in the end. Shouldn't you risk that sort of thing if a win depended on it?

To be fair Brett was out there a lot..and looked tired at the end

I disagree EC. He's far too important to 'risk' for one game.

Anyway - reading the stats, we won every stat line bar shooting clip.

FG% 50% 44% Perth
3pt% 47% 41% Perth
FT% 81% 69% Perth
Boards 42 49 Adelaide
Dimes 23 24 Adelaide
Steals 5 12 Adelaide
Blocks 7 4 Adelaide
Turnovers 19 15 Adelaide (having less that is)
Fouls 24 27 Adelaide (again, less)
Points in the paint 38 52 Adelaide
2nd chance points 14 19 Adelaide
Point of turnovers 7 8 Adelaide

I'd think that on any given night we can shoot at a clip with anyone in the L, so loosing based on that stat line i can deal with. We got everything else!

EC, I wasn't watching live scores at the end but I got the impression Bruce AND Maher were on. Is that not right?

He finished with 36mins which is more than he's supposed to play.

every time we give up a big score to the oppostition we lose. we got lucky with townsville shooting so horribly wednesday night. we need to sure up the defence quick or we dont stand a hope in hell come finals time. we cant rely on every team we play to have a bad shooting night, especially on the road. I know it was a double OT game, but giving up 129 is shit.

EC, Maher played both of the OT's so that is 10 minutes out of a possible 10 minutes. Yet in the fourth quarter he was only used sparingly which is how he needs to play with 2 3 minute spurts (12-9 minutes, 3-0 minutes).

Vanexcel31, the score was 96 all at the end of the 4th which wasn't such a bad defensive effort considering Perth scored 60 in the first half (36 in the second half).

To me it seemed like Ninnis and the coaching staff absolutely lost the plot and threw out any type of successful strategy with 3 minutes to go in the 4th and in the two over times! This is why I think this:

1. Bruce plays the whole last quarter instead of being subbed out with 3 minutes to go which was used SUCCESSFULLY in the Hawks and Tigers game.

2. Instead we go with a poor defensive line up in the last 2 minutes with us up by 6 and they score 9 points in those 2 minutes to send the game to over time.

3. If you include those last 2 minutes of the 4th as well as the 2 5 minute OT quarters, Perth managed to score 42 points in those 12 minutes to win the game! During this whole time Maher and Bruce were on (Bruce had a quick sub for a minute or so in the first over time). So instead of having a defensive unit and sparingly use Maher they played right into Perth's hands.

4. In the 4th quarter our three bigs Schensher, Ballinger and Holmes combined for 17 of the 23 points (74%). In over times with Redhedge fouled out they scored 7 points out of the 24 points.

So the coaching staff decided it would be a better idea to go with a tired, poor defensive group as well as go away from our strength's in offence!

On the other hand, it was smart work by the Perth coaching staff who went with Hinson, Kendall and Crawford which made the Sixers play that smaller line up of Bruce, Maher and Hodge.

Instead it would have been better to have gone with Maher or Bruce, Hodge, Holmes. This would have meant Holmes would have had to guard Crawford while it would have been hard for him he would have been able to do it. On the other hand, Crawford would have had to guard Holmes, leaving either Kendal or Hinson to guard Hodge which would have made a huge difference!

It seems the experience Perth coaching stuff out smarted the Adelaide coaching staff who went for a desperate and strategy-less approach!

hill 6 boards 3 assists in 15 min not bad. Didnt shoot to well but still productive

KingJames, I was going by other people's comments about Bruce being on in the last few minutes instead of Maher. I had no communication whatsoever regarding this game and only got home to read some of the write up after midnight. The point I was making though is that although Maher is on limited minutes to preserve his body, the risk is a reasonable one to take if the game depends on him playing the few extra minutes. I would hope the coach would bend the rules a bit in that instance. I believe Maher wants to play and is not too keen on his limited time and coming off the bench. He indicated this in one of the post game interviews upstairs although realistically he knows that he cant push himself like he used to.

Thats fine EC I was just letting you know.

We need some offensive threats on the bench, at the moment there are too many passengers, ie can't score in a fit. If we had some potential scorers on the bench we would be able to rest the starting five, and not totally lose momentum.

Our key players are pooped at the end of the game without 2 extra overtimes. Did not see the game, but must have been a coaching nightmare in the end, juggling those fit to play, and matchups.

Have to agree with Raytri. Looking at the stats for the game last night Perth had 7 players with 30 minutes or more, one with 13 and 2 with 00.
We had 4 players with 40 minutes or more. Balls with 51 and Brett with 36. Two players with 00 and 2 with less than 15.
You can't expect the big men to play dbl OT and remain effective, against opposition who have fresher legs, no matter how good we are.
We have to bite the bullet and utilise our bench, and if they are not good enough to come in for a few minutes to rest our mains we should be looking at bench players who can.

Paddy, we had two players out injured, plus 11th man too - that impacted what we could bring off the bench.

It's easy to argue spreading the minutes once it's in overtime, but then what are you going to do? Put Burdon and Hoban on? Lose and you cop "why was he playing rookies in crunch time?" "What was Cooper doing out there?"

We shot 43%, they shot 50%. Frustrating but admirable loss.

Yep I agree with you Isaac, "admirable loss", and naturally, who would have thought it would have gone into OT let alone dble OT. But what can we do to compensate for injuries if this scenario arises again.
Might be a good idea to "blood" the rookies a bit more in some of the "easier" games so we can see what their potential is at crunch time. I know Scotty is trying to do this but 1min 37secs isn't much time to get a good look.

Burdon has seen enough time to be given a run in any game. However, in this situation, Ninnis doesn't know it's going to OT so perhaps he plays the same sort of strategy that worked at the Dome recently. It almost pays off but for some Perth shots at the end and Maher missing a FT. Then, in OT, is he going to bring Burdon in cold, or use the best players he has?

In the end Kendall hits three buckets in a minute and then they blow it out on free throws.

I agree with those saying we need more points from the bench, 40 to 22 last night I think {the one stat where we got smashed}, but i am not sure how to fix it. Perth have Kendall and Victor coming off of their bench, which is probably better than a lot of NBL clubs so theirs is a good lineup to have for a double overtime home game.

I have heard all of Brett's radio interviews and post match interviews for the last 6~12 months, and i believe he wants to come off the bench. He definitely wants to be in the finishing 5 though, when the clock is ticking down. His recent post match comments made upstairs about not starting i believe were said in jest but he would be hurting heaps about that missed foul shot late in the 4th quarter of 'normal' time. Very un Brett to miss that shot.

Did anyone see the highlights on the news?

Bruce got massively blocked by Victor but was basically sat on by Victor on his way down. How a foul wasn't called I'll never know.

Nice dunk by Hodge on the fastbreak as well.

Also looked like a tough call for Julius to be fouled out on. Let's just say that I doubt he'd be called for that in Adelaide.

Bring on the 31st of Jan re-match.

I'm amazed that all you Einsteins (King James) have been able to glean all that information without actually watching the game! Outstanding, absolute geniuses!

Anonymous Poster (#216697) please tell me specifically what part of my post you feel is not possible to make a comment on based on not watching the game? Instead of making your self look like a clown how about being specific.

Exactly, nothing KingJames said was based on anything but the stats/live scores and he didn't pretend it was.

I guess I am unable to say "Ballinger played +50mins" without actually being there then?!?

Up by 6 with 2 minutes to go. They then score 9 points in those 2 minutes to send it to over time. They then score 33 points in 2 5 minute over time and you are trying to tell me that was a good defensive effort?

"tired, poor defensive group as well as go away from our strength's in offence" Please tell me how you felt in the last 12 minutes of the game Bruce on with Maher was our best option?

Bruce has been a poor defender before Hodge was here there is nothing ridiculous about that. He has worked on his defence lately. However, I didn't specifically say he was the problem I said him and Maher together for 12 minutes was the problem defensively!

It wasn't just based on live scores, it was based on listening to it on the radio and other people's opinion whom were actually at the game!

Drumroll please

IMPORTATNT ANNOUNCEMENT

DD siding with Anonymous. KJ, what's the point in big noting yourself in a historic double overtime loss? No-one knew it was going into overtime, let alone double overtime. We played shit defence in holding the 'Cats to mid-teens in the third? I've got a bunch of questions I'd love to put to you, but I'm struggling to put them into a logical sequence that you'd have the mental stamina to follow up. So here's the thing, I'll give you the chance to redeem yourself & script the perfect game plan from the point of us being 6 up, with 2 to go.
Take your time, I'm prepared to print off multiple copies & hand them to the front office for them to distribute to the coaching staff & anyone that could do with a break.

Whether you agree with KJ or not, nothing he said was reliant on him actually watching the game - that's the point anon was arguing against in the first place.

Didn't Bruce come up with a key steal as well as according to those actually at the game shoot the shite out of the ball in OT?

Kent Brockman and Dumb Dumb Fan, my point was that against the Tigers and Hawks the coaches made a successful strategy in having Bruce on the Bench in the last few minutes of the game. The reason for this is to get a more experienced, controlled and better defensive team (as aposed to Bruce and Maher) on. Why they decided to change this I don't know but I do know in those 12 minutes we persisted with Maher and Bruce, Perth scored 43 points.

Bruce was 4-8 in OT.

I know what your point was, & I comprehended what Anonymous was on about (others too perhaps). Now cut the shit & tell us all what you would have done differently while up 6 points, with 2 minutes of regulation.
I'm being nice, you know I am, so impress me.

I might have a shot at that, looking at his above posts, it's not that hard to work out. He would have played Maher at PG and then Hodge, Ballinger, Schenscher and Holmes/Hill - following the strategy that had been working in the last two games.

Again, not saying I agree with that but just try to understand what KJ is saying dumbdumb fan and anon.

XztatiK, I think Dumb Dumb Fan is just trying to be a troll.

In fairness, what king james has written is actually quite acurate from what i saw.

In fact he has probably given a better match review than i could...coz the emotion at the game blocked my ability to accurately describe events.

Whilst KJ hasnt got it perfectly right, seems quite an accurate dissemination of the stats

OK, so we're going to bring out the Dumb Dumb Fan trump card are we? : )
XcretiK, Hill & Holmes have been copping it for not having their minds in it & performing below par. I take it you reckon the game could have been won on the defensive side, rather than going for the proven defending/scoring options. I'm with Kent in that I think both Brett & Aaron do a good job defensively. Take your pick of which scoring liability you want subbed in once Brett clunks the free throw (& yeh, that was on the cards too) & walk us through how he'd shut down Ken Doll & Hinson.

"I might have a shot at that, looking at his above posts, it's not that hard to work out. He would have played Maher at PG and then Hodge, Ballinger, Schenscher and Holmes/Hill - following the strategy that had been working in the last two games.

AGAIN, NOT SAYING THAT I AGREE WITH THAT but just try to understand what KJ is saying dumbdumb fan and anon."

Wanna read that again dumbass?

Xztatik, you really do get sucked in easily, don't you??

KingJames was kind enough to spread the word on OzHoops & here are the few responses that it drew.

Moth from OzHoops Sunday 14Dec:

"I did notice that it was Maher getting burnt by Kendall off the dribble in that 2nd OT. Not a good sign."

Please note, Moth's comments relate to the 2nd overtime period.

Steve from OzHoops Sunday 14Dec:

"I think Maher is just getting a little old and slow. His shot is still as sweet as ever, but I think Kendall's eyes lit up when he saw Maher trying to cover him and it was the most aggressive I've seen Luke play since he pulled on a Wildcats singlet, and Brett couldn't do much to stop him in the OT's."

Please note, Steve's comments relate to the 2nd overtime period & he seemed pleased with Kendall's best effort since becoming a 'Cat (which coincidentally, only came in the 2nd overtime period).

Steve from OzHoops Sunday 14Dec:

"I certainly can see quality in Bruce... the college system means these young lads (Bruce, Weigh, Loughton etc) come back so much more complete and able to have an impact in their first season."

Steve, a well respected Perthy, chose to acknowledge Aaron's game, & put him in the same company as Weigh & Loughton who were extremely productive.

Please decide who's the troll.

Direct transcript from OzHoops:

Sachmo (a Perthy)wrote:

But that seemed to be how they were calling it throughout the night, I've never seen so much blatant pushing from both sides go uncalled. No wonder it got firey.

DD resonse:

"I've seen the same thing happen in a couple of recent home games here too (Adelaide). It seems word has gotten out that the way to play the 36ers is to beat'm up. Refs don't seem to be calling it early, then go with the flow to be consistent. One week players were blatantly bulldozing straight into stationary players with elbows out. Next week it was elbows with the push off, which then escalated to players being thrown to the floor.
Someone's going to get hurt if it's not snuffed out quick smart. I'd hate to think that it came down to tactics that you send out a chump player to take out an opposition name player, knowing if you got suspended, that next game was winnable anyway.
I'm all for big guys bodying up & muscling for position, but thuggery & potential harm, shouldn't be any part of it."

KingJames:

"Please excuse DDFan's exaggeration he doesn't know what he is talking about!"

Something is wrong with my web page here, the link says Hoops SA, but for some reason it is full of Oz Hoops crap arguments now.

DB5 needs to broaden his internet experience.
DB5 needs to broaden his life experience.
KingJames can leave his head in his arse.

What is your point in that first post Dumb Dumb fan? You just make your self look even stupider!

Previously you say:
"I'm with Kent in that I think both Brett & Aaron do a good job defensively."

Then you make my arguement stronger by posting what 2 people said on OZ hoops that Maher did actually play bad defence.

Then you go on about someone posting that Bruce has come back a more complete player and able to have an impact in his first season. Where did I question he wasn't having an impact in his first season??

Finally you end with this beauty "Steve, a well respected Perthy, chose to acknowledge Aaron's game, & put him in the same company as Weigh & Loughton who were extremely productive." Thank you for that but Weigh had 5 points! Cooper had 2 points was he extremely productive as well?


Your second post was rubbish as well, as you were massively exaggerating. The umpires have actually been calling alot more fouls recently - Townsville 23 fouls, Tigers 26 fouls, Hawks 29 fouls. Perhaps you feel it should be 50 fouls?

All you keep proving is you have no idea about the game and that your name of Dumb Dumb Fan suits you!

Please try to keep this reasonable. KJ, the guy's alias is "DDFan", so try using it. Yes, there are times when DD is difficult, but when he's remotely reasonable, baiting him isn't going to give you a better argument or make this place any more enjoyable.

Can you clarify your argument about Bruce and Maher? You think they should have been on at the end of the game, or off? And, if off, who on instead?

From what I can gather, you thought Bruce off and Maher on in the clutch had been effective in previous games. Yet it was Bruce who kept us in the game in that first OT, right?

Thank you Isaac, you're correct on all counts.
Not that I hurt from KingJames having a DD-bash, it's all part of the internet entertainment, which I enjoy.
KingJames, take this on. You chose to broadcast your opinion to a wider audience & got backed up over a 2 day period by Westies commenting on 2nd overtime plays.
I enjoyed the game, as did the majority who wished it was televised. If you really want to help, take it directly to Scottie & the guys. They'll appreciate it.

Anonymous #216925:

"i think KJ going direct to the coaching staff has already back fired once"

Why am I not surprised? : )

Isaac I will try to ignore him from now on. I was ignoring him until he brought quotes from another forum so I was just justifying what I wrote.

His question which he asked 3 times, I had already answered in the post he orginally tried to flame.

"Instead it would have been better to have gone with Maher or Bruce, Hodge, Holmes. This would have meant Holmes would have had to guard Crawford while it would have been hard for him he would have been able to do it. On the other hand, Crawford would have had to guard Holmes, leaving either Kendal or Hinson to guard Hodge which would have made a huge difference!"

Xztatik added further that maybe I meant Hill as well and I would say that would be fine as that worked in the Tigers game. So Hill/Holmes can be used interchangably in the dying moments depending on whom would be a better fit at the time.

I have actually been praising the coaching staff recently as I think they have done a excellent job lately. This continued in this game as they did a great job especially in the second half to get back into it. However, I think they made the wrong decisions in the last two minutes and in the subsequent over times. I think they would agree also considering 43 points was scored in those last 12 minutes.

DDFan I believe the coaching staff read what is on here at times and do get ideas from it.

Anonymous would you like to Elaborate further on that? I would be happy to provide an Email where you can contact me if you like?

I don't think they read here for ideas. They might read this to see what fans think of how they doing, if anything (and I doubt that), but that'd be it.

I think you might be overanalysing a particular point of the game that could've gone either way. Near the end of regulation, it was Loughton who hit a crucial shot rather than any of their guards.

With the game on the line, capable ball handlers are helpful so Hodge and two guards isn't a silly idea. Maher is a clutch player and Bruce came through in the first OT.

Hill is less experienced and Holmes was (before that game) around 4/30 from the field. Might've worked out, might not have.

KJ you cannot be serious, surely?! You actually think the coaching staff read this forum for ideas?

Obviously they don't get their primary ideas from it. They have their own direction and are professionals with years of experience. However, reading over what a consensus of fans think could help in some way.

For general fan feedback for marketing staff, sure. For coaches at this level, doubt it.

Also KJ, what makes you think this site is a 'consensus of fans'?
I know many fans of the 36ers who regularly go to the games and am pretty much the only one I know who even reads this site.

Well I wasn't referring that we are a majority of fans. The majority of fans do not provide feed back (other then their support or non support at the game). However, this minority of fans would be considered more passionate then other fans that attend so there feed back would be important I imagine. Whether they take aboard any positive or negative feed back to improve the service/product is up to them.

'However, this minority of fans would be considered more passionate then other fans that attend so there feed back would be important I imagine'
Really???? Compared to who?

I yack with anybody & everybody about the 36ers & a lot of high level respected fans have desserted this site. That's not a downer on the site as such, more a reflection of the posters that populate it.
Sheesh, I'm not physically intimidating & admit I've been brutal, but some here ought to think about the damage they may cause with their presumptuous, illinformed blogs of grandeur.
Bring it back to being a team site. That's all I (& some silent folk) ask.

"'However, this minority of fans would be considered more passionate then other fans that attend so there feed back would be important I imagine'
Really???? Compared to who?"

Dana it's really quite a trivial matter!

but for your sake, compared to those that don't voice their opinion or contribute here. How would you describe people that participate on here? I would say the majority of those on here that participate are more passionate then those that just attend. Sure there would be a minority that are just as passionate that dont participate on here but most would be not as passionate.

KJ, there are probably loads of people that are very big fans but just don't get on the net much, seek out forums for their news or want to share their opinion.

DD, that's interesting - I'd like to hear from those high-level respected fans who no longer read the site.

It's hard to go far beyond gut-feel and general web metrics to get an indication of the popularity of a site. Each day seeing that people have consistently come up with 10-20 new topics to discuss suggest to me that it's pretty active still, whether everyone out there likes to read it or not.

For what it's worth, the past year compared with the year before that shows a 14% gain in traffic on the last 12 months (26% for direct visits which would be the closest Analytics metric for regular/return readers). 2008 is 60% up on 2006 traffic. Actual posts are up 5% and the 36ers category is up 85%.

If a significant number of people are deserting the site, others might be taking their spots?

To dessert the site, now, that'd be a piece of cake.

Isaac what do you use to record those stats?

do you use google analytics?

And also those puns?

google puntastics?

KJ,
Your view of things is fine for you but it would be interesting to see how it would rate statistical analysis.
I guess we all believe our personal view of the world to a certain extent. :)

Who cares - suffice to say - sixers rock!!!!

Isaac - speaking just from my perspective but Ive found the site is becoming increasing overrun with 'nothing' posts. In that I mean it seems that a lot of posts are submitted just to get a reaction from someone or even in some cases just so the poster can see their name on the screen.
To me it seems that there used to be a lot more 'substance' and the topics discussed (and the way they were actually discussed) encoraged more input from others.
These days I still find I am on the site a lot but I probably ignore 3/4 of the stuff posted and I dont actually post as much as I used to.

Just my thoughts - and probably just a sign of the site evolving over time - maybe I just dont like change - if your figures show traffic has increased then it cant all be bad ;)

damn..i just posted my first ever "nothing" post

nah - its definately not your first!

Ace, yes. Currently using it on 30 or so sites and find it quite useful.

Me, "first" - are you sure? ;)

Statman, a lot of that's hard to discourage, that's the difficulty. Can't delete a vacuous post because there is no rule against it and making one would be unreasonable. And registration (which would solve other problems) won't solve the problem of feeling like people post just to see their name on the screen. Can you do me a favour and use the Grrr complaint link on a few examples you stumble across in the future? That will give me a better idea of the sort of thing you'd like to see less of.

I think there are two forms of baiting and it comes down to the spirit of it. I think most of what I see is OK (especially associating people with their NBA favourites, etc). One form that I'd like to see less of is people maliciously baiting DDFan based solely on past actions - that doesn't help anyone.

Isaac just out of interest why are you specifically protecting DDFan? there are others that get attacked also. Not talking about me, I could care less if anyone has a go at me :)

Ouch...kinda hoped that would just slip past, ok..maybe not my FIRST. :)

KingJames, I have nticed that DD tends to be making a bit more sense in some of his posts recently... sometimes (sometimes). Maybe Isaac just wants him to stay like that. Don't get me wrong, he's still a complete asshole, but he is making slightly more sense. Maybe his dealer got busted or something.

lol thats a good response Xztatik. Yeah fair enough!

KingJames:

"Isaac just out of interest why are you specifically protecting DDFan?"

I don't think Isaac'll mind if I answer that for him. PMs that I've had with Isaac won't have us doing lunch. He's offered his opinion & suggestions along the way, & I've submitted mine. It's come to a stalemate & I think we're a point where we've just put down the gloves. I'm happy with that.

I don't have a problem with KingJames, XztatiK & the likes forming an internet circle either. As long as no-one puts up an internet vid link, I'm not offended. Go for it boys. ; )

X, a little like that, minus the dealer/etc.