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Years ago

will pro / rel take the next step

would like to think pro / rel will take the next step 2010/11.

last summer we saw movement between brackets - will we see movement between divisions ?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I hope not - things need to settle down for a season rather than keep changing every year. This year we have changes to U20's and new U23's and also I think restricting DIv 2's to member clubs is applied to U14's

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

Should keep Div 1 and 2 to a region IMO. Need to even out club strength IMO and perhaps BSA need to start helping some of the "weaker clubs" in the areas of coaching and club development. Very boring if there are four club teams in one div., but then again some people love beige.

Back to pro/rel:
The whole pro / rel thing needs a big shakeup!!! Teams can change throughout the year and season. Plenty of the "working class" clubs see kids drop off during winter to footy/netty and so the team on court in summer is different to the team on court in winter. Div 1 and 2 is consistent because these guys probably only play one sport.

There was talk about a north/south split to lessen travel, but I reckon there's currently more chance of Julia Gillard biting the head off a baby and drinking its blood.

In particular, the U16 div 3 - 6 boys and girls is a joke. These teams play on a Thursday night due to "lack of court space" and most are year 8 - 9 kids who have school the next day. Game slots are 6:15, 7:15 or 8:15 on a Thursday. Really need to think about aligning these guys to a Sat. morning with the rest.

So, consider this. If a Tigers team plays West at Port at 6:15, then getting from down south against the southern expressway during peak hour to Port means basically a pickup from school, rush to Port to be there by 5:45.

What about when Centrals (they are based at Hillcrest which is another joke) play Tigers at Morphett Vale at 6:15? A fair number are country kids, so to expect a team to travel from Gawler to Morphett Vale is unrealistic. The scheduling looks fine if you're a parent living at Rose Park.

Forget about stuffing around with pro/rel. Let the clubs decide. If clubs can't nominate to the correct playing standard, they need a rocket up them.

My solution:
Div 1 & 2; Keep to 10 regions/associations like any other sport in Adelaide. Zone it to stop pushy parents driving halfway around Adelaide to satisfy their egos. Clubs need to start rejecting players who don't live in their zone and encourage them to the nearest club. If they have tried that club and want to transfer to Club B, then maybe Club B needs to pay a transfer fee. If you live at Newton, play Norwood.

Div 3: This needs to encourage players to play ball, not set up brick walls that prevent players.

U12B - 7 teams; keep as one div on a Sat morning
U12G - 6 teams; as above
U14B - 27 teams: Div3 of 10, then Div 4 (Nth), Div 4 (Sth) (Sat)
U14G - 14 teams: Div 3 of 8, Div 4 of 6 as is now - OK
U16B - 33 teams: Div 3 of 12, then Div 4 (Nth), Div 4 (Sth)
U16G - 12 teams: Div 3 of 6, Div 4 of 6 as is now - OK, but move to Sat morning, or regionalise on a Thursday night
U18B - 22 teams: Div 3 (Nth), Div 3 (Sth)
U18G - no DIv 3

So, to play all Div 3 on a Sat morning (except U18), 99 teams compete. This means say 50 games to be scheduled. Assuming 4 time slots, then this is 12 games per slot.
Starplex - 2 courts (8 games possible) - not scheduled due to $$$?
Port - 3 courts (12 games possible)
St Clair - let's say 2 courts (8 games possible)
Hillcrest - 2 courts (8 games possible)
Mars - 3 courts (12 games possible)
Wayville - 3 courts (12 games possible)
Pasadena - 3 courts (12 games possible)
Marion - 2 courts (8 games possible)
MLC - 2 courts (8 games possible)
Vale - 4 courts (16 games possible)
ADRC -2 courts (8 games possible) - unavailable?

So, by my calculations, the Saturday morning capacity is 26 courts (exclude AHRC) and therefore there are 104 slots over which 50 games need to be scheduled. To claim that U16 games can't be scheduled on a Saturday morning is a non-sense.

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thumbs up  
Years ago

just a season of 6 teams would be rhetoric = play each other 3-4 times then finals.

prefer divisions grouped for one round then split according to results - or north south play regions and have one round of cross overs - saw this recently when the south pool was weak and they qualified for finals = when the other north teams were stronger

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Europa 16  
Years ago

Jack,

Hows about your club actually does some work itself in juniors rather than using its resources bringing in imports and finishing bottom on both the boys and the girls?

And zoning is actually a restriction of trade and will never happen.

If you club did some work rather than expect BSA to do it all, it wouldn't be in the situation it is.

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DaddyO  
Years ago

Jack - 16G3/4 played Saturday morning until recently & that was unpopular as it clashed with school basketball and netball. Also, the girls weren't keen on getting lumped in with the U10s.

As for pro/rel, a quick look through the 14B3/4/5 and 16B3/4/5 shows there isn't an undefeated team and only one team that hasn't won a game. There also appears to be a reasonable spread of clubs through the divisions. Only the 14B3 has more than one club with multiple teams

By comparision the 14B1/2 and 16B1/2 have two undefeated teams and two teams without a win, which suggest that the pro/rel divisions have a more even spread. In previous years the lower divisions often had one or two undefeated teams with a silly percentage, and a couple of cellar dwellers that appeared to be in the wrong division.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Agree with DaddyO - the use of pro/rel has been great for U16 div 3/4/5. I think it would also work in div 1/2 - and making each grade 8 teams would reduce further the blowouts that regularly occur for teams 9 and 10 - who are often div 2 standard anyway.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Need to even out club strength IMO and perhaps BSA need to start helping some of the "weaker clubs" in the areas of coaching and club development

Perhaps your club could help itself Jack by putting resources spent on imports into junior development instead....

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rocket  
Years ago

Europa16,
'restriction of trade' refers to business, i.e. players on contracts. Nothing to do with junior basketball.

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Europa 16  
Years ago

Yes, a club is a not for profit business. And players are the customers it serves.

By restricting services, you put clubs in a situation where they are not allowed to provide their service to people who want to use it. Hence restriction of trade.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Customers and members are very different from a legal sense.

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