Pallas
Years ago

Woosnam walks away from Lightning

In another shock and disappointment for the once proud and strong club, the Lightning have today lost a major part of their history with Woosname deciding to walk away.

Woosnam never had the International acclaim of those that came before here (Sporn, Brogan, Hill, Daldy, Kingi) but she certainly gave her everything for the team and the club and the 2008 Championship as Captain was much deserved.

This will no point raise more questions about the state of a club once touted as the best in the country and now barely struggling to remain competitive, both on and off the court.

Boti's article: http://linky.com.au/n36mm



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anon  
Years ago

It will be an interesting year for this group.
This team will struggle - and have to fight to stay off the bottom of the ladder.
Expect some bad losses this year.

But will these bad losses cost the coach his job? Will the GM have to sack the Coach?
No becasue the GM wont sack himself.
How can the GM self appointed himself to be the coach.

Underlining issue with this downward spiralling club,
-can anyone say daddy's little girl????

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';'  
Years ago

Sam should have retired anyway. These "daddys" post are getting really boring. I think they may be more competitive than people think.

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Rhea_Solo  
Years ago

How would that have anything to do with someone walking away from the team?

All reports are that it has more to do with the player not accepting her role coming of the bench.

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Sham Woos  
Years ago

Whilst I don't want to sound bitter, as I appreciate all Sam has done for the Club in her role as the sturdy veteran, I can't help but feel for the rest of the team.

Sam has made this decision at the worst possible time.

To leave an already floundering line-up 10 days before tip-off isn't really acting in the best interests of the team.
I know we could go on and say its better that she left now, rather than floating unenthusiastically through the season which could potentially hurt the team even more, but I wish she had done what we all know she should have... Retired at the end of last season - or the championship winning season for that matter.

But once again, congratulations Sam on a great WNBL career. You will be missed on the court.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Her role coming off the bench?? She has been coming off the bench for the past 3
Seasons. I think she has done a good thing to walk away now before the season starts. From what I understand steve talked her into playing with an option to stop when she wanted. Better now than a few games in I would think!!
I'm sure she wishes the group well for the season and in the little dealings I have had with her I am sure it was a tough decision. Good luck sam!

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Ariel 29  
Years ago

To all those getting bored by the "daddy's" posts : get used to it !
The team is NOT the team it used to be. And the shame largely belongs to the city of Adelaide that can not maintain one women's basketball club, turning it to a private party playground.

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';'  
Years ago

What what are you talking about ariel? If Link hadn't brought hte team you wouldn't have one . pull your head in you sook.

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knowledge  
Years ago

Great player and a great person. will miss you Sam.

You gave everything and more to and for the Team.

all the best for whatever you choose in the future.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

394: we haven't got one now sooky lah lah

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

The sun sets on a brilliant career.

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DB5  
Years ago

Thanks Sam, I personally thought you had another season at least left in you, your smarts (on the court) will definately be missed, especially with this group of girls!

Thanks for the great career!

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Willis  
Years ago

thanks Sam for the memories always a class act wish you all the best for your future quests

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I dont think her starting on the bench had anything to do with it.
I am not convinced her WNBL career is over.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

i too dont think it had anything to do with coming off the bench. in fact im not sure they could afford to not have her start.

sam is a great asset to any team and its sad that adelaide won't have her for this year in what will be a difficult year for the lightning. good luck to her and to any team that may pick her up will benefit greatly..

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Isaac  
Years ago

I think this quote has been added to the article on AdelaideNow since it was originally posted:

``I'm not really feeling it,' she admitted yesterday. ``I really like the girls and the group we've put together but I think I've had enough.'

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';'  
Years ago

Nice quote, Makes Ariel more of a knob coming on here posting their crap.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Seriously Sam has been a great servant for the Lightning and the WNBL...

She is a champion and deserves to go out anytime she feels...yeah not the best but when your heart isn't in it...you cant go on...

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Arvidas Sabonis  
Years ago

Hey ';' Are you on Daddy's payroll to watch this forum ?

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';'  
Years ago

Arvidas, No just sick of dickheads like you bagging people for no reason. Will you keep posting under a different alias all the time?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

';' ... just because you don't see the reason or want to believe there is one doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Anyone who knows anything about the workings of the Lightning knows that the owner has tainted the brand of Lightning which was once very strong.

You just have to look at the number of high quality people who have left the organisation to know something isn't right.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

i couldnt agree more.. i definately believe that there is more to it... sure if your hearts not it in you cant go on. but what has caused her to suddenly feel like this so close to the seasons tip off.

i couldnt possibly begin to express my disappointment in watching all the stars that we have had depart from the lightning over 2people.. i know they are the major funding behind the program, however i believe, with the proven on court success, businesses would put their names behind a winning team. just a thought.

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Ushiro  
Years ago

At least Mr Marino did spend the money to save the team in ther first place. Perhaps all the concerned people could get together, like SOS, and put their money and support behind a bid to purchase the license from him and restore the Lightning brand to where they think it should be.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"Anyone who knows anything about the workings of the Lightning knows that the owner has tainted the brand of Lightning which was once very strong."

Just like what happened here at Dandenong.

I wouldl rather the team did not exist at all, than be someone's personal plaything.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

AIS will beat Lightning this year

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I definitely think Sam has more to offer to a WNBL club, so I don't think it's her last year either. Have a look at all the quality player that have walked out on the club since Marino took over, including coaches and I think you will see there is a problem there. To try and sweep it under the rug and say it doesn't exist is extremely naive!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Sam is very good friends with Foley and Gahan, so i would think if she was going anywhere she may end up at Dandenong.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I have heard they are one of the teams that has contacted her....From what I know, there has been quite a few teams who have contacted her!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So Anon she lied when talking to the Advertiser saying she didn't want to play any more? Wonder how many of these anon posts are from the same ip?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The article said she didn't want to continue with the lightning and steve cleared her to give her the option to play somewhere else

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Anonymous  
Years ago

How does other clubs contacting her mean she lied?

They mayhave very well contacted her, and she told them the same thing "sorry, I'm not interested".

Personally, I wish her the very best in whatever she does next (assistant coach to Carrie Graf maybe????)

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

Why are there so many anons when it come to the Lightning threads?

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Isaac  
Years ago

Maybe not enough Lightning threads for people to create and stick with regular identities? Lots of anon posters in other topics too, just sometimes outnumbered by regulars.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Maybe people don't want to reveal they are too close to Sam!

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

Hello Sam!

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DB5  
Years ago

lol Jack.

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anon  
Years ago

wouldn't it be funny if sam signed with dandenong and played against adelaide in the first round, at the same venue the coach lost his mind at her....

Bit of a slap in the face for adelaide, but then again the current admin / owner group had it coming.

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Nix59  
Years ago

Rumour is that is exactely what will happen good luck to Sam @ rangers

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Shotclock  
Years ago

The doors and windows are shut at Bearcats.Nothing coming or going.She wasnt available at the Junior Presentation Night,which doesnt mean anything either.Is Her House up for Sale(not stalking I dont know if she has a house)?

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Ushiro  
Years ago

At 32, Sam would only have a few seasons left and who can begrudge her from not being enthused about being a role player for a team that is expected to help prop up the ladder. Far better to be a bench player for a top team, at least the post match would be a lot better even if the court time is minimal. Thanks Sam for all your contributions to the Lightning over the years.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Sam Woosnam has signed with Dandenong :-)

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DB5  
Years ago

^^ If that is true then shit!

I understand, and all the best to you Sam.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Done deal!

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

Good luck Sam, make the most of it.

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DB5  
Years ago

This will hurt the Lightning big time. Major loss.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yeah a huge loss. A 32 year old ready for retirement leaving and opening a spot for a up and coming kid, yeah a huge loss!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Regardless whether people think woosnam is a huge loss or not... Phillips, gahan, camino, francis, foley, duke etc.... As a lightning fan I would like to hear from one of these players and their reasons for leaving the lightning...

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

Gee, when you look at it

Phillips, Gahan, Camino, Francis, Foley, Duke, Woosnam

That's a pretty strong group

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Anonymous  
Years ago

All would say the same...money dried up..

Vince is downsizing everything...most of his businesses are closed in the iron triangle and word is he has debt collectors looking to get money for businesses bought earlier...

Highly doubt the lightning will be round next season unless there is a new owner onboard...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I doubt very much Sam left because the money dried up.

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Funny,

Woosnam was a loud voice behind the sceens in getting rid of Lucas and Valk. But did it behind the sceens and managed to get evertone else in trouble for it.

And now that no one would do her dirty work, ups and quits when the coach tells her to pull he head in.

Agree with Brehney here, if you don't want to be a part of it for the right reasons, then leave.

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ANON  
Years ago

Woosnam wasn't the loud voice behind the scenes - I think you will find that daddys little girl diddn't have the same views as those choaches did so they got the arse.

Sad to see her go - sooner or later adelaide need to decide wether the owners are hurting or helping by being involved. Outside looking in - Having a player with a single owner structure is hurting the adelaide lightning brand.

Would an owner without a child in the team have such an input into the running of the group - probably not.
Would people listen to Angela if Daddy wasn't the owner - probably not.
Would the Lightning exist without them - probably - the BSA would have to take them over and provide a pathway for junior girls.
Maybe this season will bring it to a head...

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Isaac  
Years ago

The situation might be awkward, but I also think some of this criticism is pretty harsh on Vince. I doubt he got himself into this planning to mastermind an experience for his family alone.

I can't imagine that it's a profitable enterprise (certainly not with past rosters) so realistically we're looking at someone who's stepped in when there were few or no alternatives to try and contribute something to keep the team alive.

The 36ers appear to have had some luck spreading the load across multiple owners and the Kings are doing the same sort of thing. If it's the right path for the Lightning, has anyone approached the club to offer that sort of help? Either to share the load, or give Vince an escape route?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Lucas got fired because he wasn't going to start Angela this has been made clear by Lucas himself.. Valk got in trouble with the marinos when 2 players on the team actually spoke to each other and found out what was going on behind the scenes... I love it how these things turn into a blame game. As Boti wrote the 2 parties left on mutual terms...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Isaac, I'm surprised you doubt the sole reason the owner of the Lightning decided to bankroll the team for, because that makes you an orphan.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

im surprised this mass exodus has continued for so long without someone stepping in. everyone chiming in with their supposed reasons as to why players have chosen to leave when it is staring them in the face.
i feel valk deserves another chance at coaching as i think she will do a much better job with out being told what to do! i believe most of the departed players would actually return to the lightning should this be the case.
this situation is definately a unique case in a semi/professional sport. you definatley wouldnt see this happen in the nbl where daddy buys his kid a team, then lets them chose their own coach and team mates!!

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Pallas  
Years ago

Joyce?

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fan  
Years ago

As a long time fan of the Lightning it is disappointing to say the least that there is even a possibility that the team is run a particular way because of one player and her perceived power. The club has such a strong history and was a great advertisement for women's basketball in this state. Is it just lack of money that is causing players to leave or is it because of the owner/player? The fans who presumably the club would like to see supporting the team this year deserve better than the complete lack of information from the club. If it was not for Boti's articles and publicity about Sam's defection we would not even know there was a team!

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Anon  
Years ago

I have heard rumours that SOS offered to take the team over, but Vince did not want to let it go
Will be interesting

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Again $$...

I think there has been more than 1 offer and his asking price was way out of it..considering he got the team for $115K

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Isaac  
Years ago

Anon, I was describing the primary intent rather than what's eventually come to be. e.g., what has transpired is probably not exactly what he set out to do (keeping the team alive and keeping his daughter in a job in the process).

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gh  
Years ago

Woosnam gone across the boarder to a vic club?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Correct, but at least you will get to see her play friday night;-)

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

No I won't, I'll be having a beer with the Wolf at the Sixers launch!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Why no announcement on her joining the power rangers? And why no boti article?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

You will see something soon from Boti i'm guessing and it won't be pretty...for the lightning and Breheny.

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The Brad  
Years ago

If anyone saw the way Breheny spoke to Sam in a timeout in a preseason game at Wayville it wouldn't be a surprise as to why she has left. It was absolutely disgraceful, considering she has been at the club for so long, is a former Captain (and was asked to be captain again this season) and a leader in this team. I guess we have a puppet as head coach this year and this was evident with who he selected as Captain.
To also give her a clearance right there on the spot showed he didn't want Sam there and according to people in Dandenong, Breheny has now tried to withdraw the clearance stating Sam owes the club money. This bloke seriously is a dipshit!
If anyone is looking for a sure bet it will be The Lightning to win the wooden spoon!

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TR  
Years ago

Three way battle for the spoon between Adelaide, Perth and the AIS.

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basketball taxi  
Years ago

Interesting game Friday Night with Sam at Dandenong now!!!!

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

Interesting point in Boti's article. SB reckons she has been paid two months in advance. Looks like the clearance revolves around some money coming back to the Lightning I would think, but just is just joining dots together.

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Wam Soosnam  
Years ago

I will be going to watch her play.
It will be her last game EVER in Adelaide

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So players don't receive any pay at all for training and pre season work, damn we really are bush league, why offer and sign a clearance if this was an issue, sounds like a high level of due diligence by the front office, a perfect homer Simpson moment!

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Ushiro  
Years ago

I would suggest that the players are required to actually play games to be paid. To walk out and then sign up for a rival club would negate any goodwill that may have existed for attending pre-season.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

players are paid for their services to the club, be that trainings or games.. contracts dont actually specify that they have to play to get paid (sure its the reason they are there) - however, it is over a set period of time they are paid ie. september-march, so its just unfortunate that no games were played in this period of time before her departure.. steve obviously signed the clearance without thinking of this, and its too little to late!

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Ushiro  
Years ago

Indications in a recent newspaper article were that she had been paid two months in advance, similar to the Hodge situation in that a "refund" of advanced payments is being sought.

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