junior finals the highest ranked refs get the games - got nothing to do with home stadiums.

clubs like forestville and sturt have had very hard working people in years gone by to make the clubs what they are - there is no reason why others can not be there - did i not read in bsa newsletter last week that a big new marion stadium is on the boards / planning.....

Der Kommisar, this has nothing to do with the hard working people at Forestville or Sturt. I don't begrudge the hard work they have put in to make their Clubs successful. It has EVERYTHING to do with the controlling body not rewarding hard working programs in other Clubs.
The biggest complaint Sturt and Forestville have is the lack of true competition. The current finals arrangement does nothing more than making sure that continues.

so from what i read you suggest the dome ?

canteen arrangement is run privately by caterers.

what would the hire be for the night - what sort of cost would be passed on ?

dont the finals rotate around anyway ?

one week some stadiums get one round the next week a different lot ?

dome is a great stadium and we have had junior finals there before.

doesnt morphett vale have country champs coming up soon ?

definitely the Dome, the only truly neutral stadium

good luck to the caterers, no different to the majority of Clubs who give all their Canteen spending to someone else come finals ( Eagles )


$4k-5k a drop in the ocean considering the amount of money the junior program contributes to BSA coffers. Currently shows no respect stating that this is not worth spending. Who is paying the majority of your budget at present? Then repay the favour

finals rotate? Sturt to Forestville..Forestville to Sturt..a few to tigers if required, some rotation

I agree, the finals venue should go to the highest ranked team playing. That rewards the teams that do the best in the season. Also the centeen will benefit. Most canteens do not run a a profit, and is there for the benefit of the patrons, not as a money making venture.

Neither should it, just cough up the dough and hire the best neutral venue in the State sitting idle and unused.

Can I suggest the following.

What a lot of country footy leagues do is to rotate the final series each year. Regardless of who is playing. The same could be done here.

Let's say the following rotations:

Year 1: North & Centrals
Year 2: West & Woodville
Year 3: Norwood & Mavs
Year 4: Southern & South
Year 5: Sturt & Forestville

Or does that provide too much balance to the competition?

Rubbish

This self-interested stone walling seems to be most prevalent when challenging this obvious imbalance. Forces seem to be at work to make us all think that we are misguided to even question such blatant favouritism. It really is time that the relevant parties were told that enough is enough. You should no longer expect to be favoured without question. Disadvantaged Clubs should be asking more questions and demanding more honest answers. Enough bullshit.

Here, here.

So, why would you not permit member clubs to rotate in the hosting of finals in order that any perceived or actual bias be removed?

Maybe it's about creating a great atmosphere for finals games which is best done at Wayville and Pasadena. No other venues compare in terms of seating and quality.

Home ground means nothing - absolute nothing in Juniors Basketball. No dominant crowd numbers, no home town referee cooking, this is simply the clubs that cannot compete on a level with Sturt and Forestville having a big old sook.

Gimme a break - so sick to death of hearing all you damn whingers go on about how BSA and there devilish plans to screw you out of every last cent and make your destiny to not win a final. The issue isn't with the system, the issue is with serial complainers who think they are being screwed at every turn - and always think there is a conspiracy theory to every decision that is made to screw you directly.

Grab a box of Kleenex, rent the notebook, buy a block of chocolate and cry those poor little eyes out - bloody sooks!

sounds like you would be crying like a baby if you lost your home final
Conspiracy theory. The bias is right in front of you smacking you in the face.
But as it favours your chances immensely you protect it vehemently and ridicule all and sundry who question it.
Gimme a break-so sick to death of all your elitist crap assuming its your birthright to have every advantage afforded to you.
Home ground means EVERYTHING. Get off your high horse and ask any athlete how big a difference it actually makes.
If you don't think it makes a difference then give up your home court. Wayville and Pasadena the best atmosphere ?? You obviously only stay and watch home games.
Time to get out of your bubble and attend a few away games.

bugbear,

Sturt do not schedule finals at Pasadena. Only Forestville have that ability, as they are the only club that has a BSA employee out of the 2 clubs. So to sugget Sturt in any way has any involvement in favouatism is misguided. Feel free to point the finger at the culprits rather than those who have no say in the outcome.

What Adelaide need is a 6 court centre in the parklands, that is not linked to any club, but to the association, and to play as many games at a neutral facility. Then the clubs use their courts for training and social competitions. Much easier said than done, but maybe that should be the long term goal of the authorities.

That would cost about $10m to build.

If you play finals at non-BSA venues it will never happen.

And it would need to be about 8 - 10 courts. But as there would be structures you wouldnt be allowed to build it in the park lands as its size would make it not in line with the rules of the park lands.

I wish people would make ideas that are at least a little thought out!

ABA finals have been played at Hillcrest previously and while the crowd were squeezed in it was a great atmosphere and I can't see any reason why finals in juniors can not be played there or Marion etc

I like the rotating idea and clubs like Norwood would know in advance and have time to organise with Mars owners

Norwood do not organise games at Mars. BSA do, as they have the lease for those times.

B/ More people come to a junior finals night than an ABA final other than the GF.

You have 8 teams plus their spectator and you get more people to a regular friday night game than ABA game in the first place.

Again, please do some background research before making undefendable statements.

Why would anyone want a final at a dump like hillcrest, marion or pt adel. Finals are played at real stadiums. South, west and nth shdnt even get home games.

Sorry Red but I disagree with you, I think a packed out crowd at these small venues would be fine.
Great atmosphere and besides the clubs deserve this if they finish highest

If you went to the finals last year you would have seen that Wayville was fully packed for finals last year. That would be close to 500 people there.

Where would all those people fit a Hillcrest or Marion? They would be standing on the court.

red 80 is on the money - wayville was packed for junior finals recently - so small stadium would struggle

why does everyone say port adelaide is arguably the worse stadium out this is how i would rate them:

1 Starplex
2 Wayville
3 Pasadena
4 Morphette Vale
5 Mars
6 Port Adelaide
7 Mt Baker
8 Marion
9 Hillcrest
10 St Clair

I can understand that the port has undersized courts but besides that, it isnt that bad compared to Marion, Hillcrest or St Clair
the courts are a massive dead spot, there is no grip and practically no room

I would only put Port above Mt Baker because they have 3 courts but i think they are pretty even

Even though its a bit of a drive i still think playing at the port is better than some

What does everyone else think

this thread started only as a plea to reward all the hard work that Juniors put in all season to reach the major round.
Once they reach finals you would hope that every opportunity was given to provide BOTH teams with an even opportunity to win the game.
The only answer to accomodate that scenario is a neutral venue.
A neutral venue sits idle.
Does the controlling body respect the need for that transparency and fairness to shown?
Sadly it does not.

excuse me Anon 194?
I'm certainly aware of the costs involved more than most. As I've stated previously and you have chosen to ignore is that considering the amount of funds put in by juniors it would be worth every dollar to pay that fee.
Every other scenario gives advantage undeservedly to the few.

Of course it provides an advantage
More than half your games are played there during a season
I would love to think my money is going to Junior development.
I don't believe in pixies though.
The lions share is covering over-staffed BSA admin costs and the 6ers.
So I do think a small portion should go back to support the cash-cow that is the Junior program.

bugbear

How is you money from juniors covering 36ers costs exactly?

you don't think any monies from general revenue go to elite level?

No, I do not think that any money from BSA goes to the 36ers or Lightning.

Why would it considering they are privately run enterprises?

Umm, wouldnt that have to do with the overstaff admin people making decisions that do not maximise revenue and fail to meet their own deadlines and vision plans. In large due to being hamstrung by the poorly set up comission structure and having country and church voting with 4 independents against basketball adelaide, who have probably never seen the inside of a baskertball stadium and get giving misleading information because it suits the agenda of those people who provide information to keep the jobs that they are doing a bad job of in the first place. And that they have minimised all forms of complaints to only go through those people who can filter them so that at each level they are able to dismiss them as rants and individuals doing what is in their own interest.

That said, the 36ers and lightning get no money from BSA.

probably worthy of a new thread.
Anon 242 you sound very happy with your work at BSA
The basketball community of 'urban mythers' are far from happy with your management.

Because enemy clubs get canteen money, I'd guess?

Wouldn't argue with your evaluation if it didn't happen to house a non-deserving home-court finalist

It has nothing to do with home court advantage.

It has everything to do with it being the best available stadium's to play finals in.

It is best for "baskeball", not for Forestville.

its bi-product is advantage Forestville

I disagree and think 'basketball' is poorer for it

bugbear, you also thought that BSA pushed money to the 36ers, right?

Personally, I think a finals team should get a home game and would love to see the grand final day rotated around the clubs so that all clubs can showcase what they have got.

It is not un-common that a number of sports have a central "main arena" and have a tenant based in that arena to stop it from gathering dust. In the case of basketball, that stadium appears to be Wayville and the lucky club is West Torrens (aka Forestville)

The benefit of being the tenant is that being central one can attract participants from all points of the compass.

Bugbear, while there are some on this forum who will never agree with you, there is a natural built in bias as a result of having a "main arena" and tenant situation that cannot be easily overcome. Injustice is a part of the world in which we live - we have to accept it.

I'm certainly not blind to the situation that exists here in SA

To say the people have spoken Anon 511 and they all side with you is just sheer arrogance and ignoring other posters on this thread with an alternate view.

I couldn't agree more with Jack's comments above

Its not an ideal situation but one we have to live with until the sport develops to a point where other adequate stadia are up to scratch and the love can be shared on a rotational basis.

I can also see that certain parties will also fight for that not to happen as the current situation affords them many benefits.

If the Marion concept gets some legs, all finals will be played there.

i would be interested in the home court advantage to the higher team - just like wnbl and nbl play offs.

but it would mean a stadium may open for a one game scenario.

say if north made 7 preliminary finals after losing 7 second semis - it means all 7 prelims would be played at hillcrest - which would be a full night for the 2 court stadium

so there is a chance that a stadium that could have bsa rostered finals may miss out all together if we went with highest finishing team having home court advantage.... ?

maybe the clubs could provide the bar / canteen staff and get a cut ?

just dont expect an expert barista on a new / different coffee machine.......